New TPI manifold refusing to idle
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Car: 1986 Firebird Trans Am WS6
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New TPI manifold refusing to idle
I have the motor together and running! However it is adamantly refusing to start with no throttle or idle if I take my foot off the gas. It isn't a stumble and then die either, if I shut the throttle, the car instantly stalls. It has spark, and the distributor isn't perfect on the money, but I have adjusted my PROM to the correct base timing to try to make it idle and no dice. I also upsized my injectors from Bosch 22s to stock style Accel 30s, and also updated that information in my PROM. Does anyone have any idea what my problem could be? Going from stock to Edelbrock base, SLP runners, and siamesed plenum.
My first go-to is IAC valve being stuck shut but I don't know enough about it to know definitively if that's the issue, and I would rather not throw parts at it to find out.
My first go-to is IAC valve being stuck shut but I don't know enough about it to know definitively if that's the issue, and I would rather not throw parts at it to find out.
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Car: '91 GTA, '92 T/A Convertible
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
I would look at the IAC first. Take the IAC out and clean it off, along with the passages. If that doesn't work, then replace it. If it doesn't run, return the new IAC. Also, make sure you have all the vacuum lines connected properly. It's easy to miss one, particularly the one that goes to the brake booster.
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
I'd start with the minimum idle adjustment. Should keep the idle to at least 450 rpm. Then you can scan and watch the throttle position sensor and the idle air valve operation.
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
Oh, and check the voltage on your TPS sensor as well.
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
I did not. How would I do that?
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First you need to get the datasheet from Accel which has the offsets on it.
Then in the calibration you find the table for the injector voltsge offset and then enter in the data. Sometimes the voltages don't line up one for one you have to do a little interpolation.
What prom mask are you running? 8d? 6e?
Then in the calibration you find the table for the injector voltsge offset and then enter in the data. Sometimes the voltages don't line up one for one you have to do a little interpolation.
What prom mask are you running? 8d? 6e?
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Car: 1986 Firebird Trans Am WS6
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
First you need to get the datasheet from Accel which has the offsets on it.
Then in the calibration you find the table for the injector voltsge offset and then enter in the data. Sometimes the voltages don't line up one for one you have to do a little interpolation.
What prom mask are you running? 8d? 6e?
Then in the calibration you find the table for the injector voltsge offset and then enter in the data. Sometimes the voltages don't line up one for one you have to do a little interpolation.
What prom mask are you running? 8d? 6e?
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
So I did this using a datasheet I found here on thirdgen. The car starts now before quickly dying, and hesitates then dies after I take my foot off. So it helped but didn't do it all! Thanks for the tip
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
Do you have the correct throttle body and plenum combo or is it a mix of parts?
certain combo won't get idle air without mods. Think its early t-body and late plenum.
certain combo won't get idle air without mods. Think its early t-body and late plenum.
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
Are the runners stock?
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: New TPI manifold refusing to idle
On the driverside runner, with 85-88, the small tube has to be open. That feeds the idle air to lower intake. They changed that in 89.
you could modify the back of the throttle body(like 89-92s) so the air just goes into plenum.
you could modify the back of the throttle body(like 89-92s) so the air just goes into plenum.
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