Ramair21

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I found some 2 that already has done this. Put a 4thgen cluster into there 3rdgen camaro. Just wanted to know if anyone else has done this. Im planning on doing a 99-2002 cluster swap into my 3rdgen dash. Im not worried about the wiring. im more concern about the fitment. Does anyone else done this mod?

here are the links to both cluster swaps
see pic 13
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...auges-3rd.html

see pic 21
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...auge-40-a.html

thanks,

Joey J.

The_Wraith

I think the mod is kinda cool but why? I don't see the benefit your simply putting a cluster in that looks like something out of a Grand prix or Grand am. Not to mention is the wrong shape so without properly making a surround there is no point as well as no benefit other then filling time.

engineer1matt

I think its a cool idea in theory but I don't see any real benefit they have plenty of cool after market clusters for third gens I think once you way out your time verse the little pricey new cluster you will want to shell out the cash. Also on the 4th gen cluster isn't there a diagnostic computer screen that would then just be taking up space on your dash.

Ramair21

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well the reason why is because i have an LSx swap in my car. The fuel gauge does not work. the only way to make it work is to drop the tank and replace the sender with the correct 0-90ohm one which cost $150 plus my speed does not work and the only way to make it work is to spend $360 on a box that converts my VSS into a anolog speedo with. The gauge only cost $100 and im pretty good with fabbing.. Hint hint BMW E36 lol I think this will be a better swap for the cause.

$750 L98

why not change out the resistors on the stock fuel gauge like I did (in the thread you linked above). It works, it's easy, and best of all it cost me 2 bucks for enough materials to do 2 gauges. Then you can leave the pump/tank factory stock and run as many of those senders as you want and never have to mod them again down the road.

Heaven forbid you want to go back stock, cut the new resistors out and put the old ones back in.

kizmaro89

I tried it a few weeks ago on a 89 dash and it didn't turn out well. The width of the 4th gen cluster isn't a problem its the height. The top of the cluster would have gone into the dash pad and i wouldnt have been able to see the top half of the speedo. I already had a 4th gen dash and wanted to see if i could get the cluster to fit and look good in the third gen dash. Ended up swaping the 4th gen dash in because i also didn't want to spend $360 on a cable x box.

Ramair21

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the camaro fuel gauge is way different from a Firebird gauge. When i saw your post i went out to my car and pulled the gauge and it looks nothing like yours.

Kiszmaro, for real man? i might have to make a custom top for it then. You know how the some of the newer cars have a hump over the cluster. this might get interesting. I just ordered my cluster today. Should have it by next friday. Thats when im going to get to work on it.

$750 L98

does your gauge cluster use resistors? Or is it a heating coil like thing? If you get me a pic of what your fuel gauge looks like I might be able to find a way to apply the same method to yours. I actually used a camaro schematic to do mine. It looks to operate the same, but you are right, yours is a "up/down" style and mine is a side to side sweep.

kizmaro89

If you set the cluster back 3-4 inches you might have enough room for it to fit with out a hump. The 4th gen cluster is a few inches thicker at the bottom then my 89 cluster was so i don't know how much room there will be to set it deeper in the dash.

Ramair21

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The gauge uses one resistor but its nothing ive ever seen before. I have a picture on my phone. I will upload it to show you but i dont think its going to work. But if it does i still have the speedo problem. Like i mentioned before, i dont want to spend $360 bucks for a little box lol

Kizmaro, did you remove the plastic cover from the cluster? we dont have the much room because of the vents in the back. So i cant really push it in that far. Cant wait to start workin on it. How much thicker it the 4th gen cluster without the plastic cover compared to the 3rd gen cluster?

kizmaro89

i haven't taken off the plastic cover on my 4th gen cluster. I have both clusters on my bench right now. If i get some time before work i'll take the cover off and take some measurements for you

kizmaro89

Took some measurements. With the cover off of the 4th gen cluster its only 2" wide and is only an inch taller in the middle when measured above the steering column. The third gen cluster was 4" wide. Looks like it wouldnt be too hard to fit without the front cover on.

Ramair21

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Thanks a bunch man!!! You just made my day. im just trying to find the connector that connects to the cluster. Any idea? I called hawks he thought he had a connector. He is still looking for it. This is all i need to get started

kizmaro89

I my connecter from the the junk yard. When I pulled the dash I took all of the wiring with it. I got the cluster from Cleveland Pick a Part on ebay. They had a bunch of 98-02 ls1 clusters for around $20.00. They'll have the connecter you need to hook up the cluster for around $15. The V6 cars have the same connecter if you can find one in a J/Y.

Ramair21

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I found one on LS1 tech for 13bucks and i paid $100 for the cluster from hawks. But the cluster has 80k on it. How many miles did you get? I just got done making a connection list for my old connectors to the new connector

kizmaro89

I told the place I got the cluster I wanted a cluster with around 90k on it and they sent me one with 89k.

Ramair21

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dang!! Looks like i got played.

91ls1t56

Leave the lens on. I used a 91-92 dash and 00 TA cluster. The way I have it in the pictures you can't see the top of the speedo and tach, but it looks pretty good. The cluster is resting on the flat surface in back. I am working on setting the cluster in deeper so it drops down lower and makes the speedo and tach visible. In order to do this I have cut out that whole back panel and some of the front of the dash that is not seen when assembled. The cluster is now resting on the piece that the steering column bolts to. I will post some pics when i'm finished . I had a complete 00 TA donor car and used what i had,they light up red and dont say pontiac or TA or anything. Best part about it is the waste of space info panel, its acurate to my entire drivetrain. So start cutting.

Ramair21

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Hey 91, the only thing is that the 91-92 gauge cluster area is different. It looks like the LS1 cluster would fit a little better than a 89 area. Do you have any pics?

91ls1t56

Pics in the first link you posted

91ls1t56

Heres one

Ramair21

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hahahaha i didnt even know it was you lol. oh man! Got any more though lol