Just a stupid idea, someone please tell me why it won't work.
07-26-2001, 09:51 PM
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Just a stupid idea, someone please tell me why it won't work.
Ok, i was walking around a junkyard today, and i saw one of those 80's style plymouth sedan things (cant remember the name), with a 4 cylinder turbo motor. Now im thinking "what would prevent me from taking this turbo off, bringing it home, buying some cheap shorty headers, turning on the pass. side upside and putting it the drivers side, attaching the turbo to it, and then having my muffler shop fabricate me a new y-pipe along with an intake tube? I'm pretty good friends with a guy who owns a muffler shop, so i know i could get all the pieces made, and it wouldn't cost me much.
Now granted i know that these things dont put out a whole lot of boost, but it'd be cool to mess around with it i think, and it might be good for a few ponies
Yeah yeah i know theres probably a thousand reasons why this won't work, otherwise a lot more of us would have already done it. But im fairly nieve towards the whole turbo thing, so could someone please tell me why this won't work, and what it would take to make it work?
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Eric
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Now granted i know that these things dont put out a whole lot of boost, but it'd be cool to mess around with it i think, and it might be good for a few ponies
Yeah yeah i know theres probably a thousand reasons why this won't work, otherwise a lot more of us would have already done it. But im fairly nieve towards the whole turbo thing, so could someone please tell me why this won't work, and what it would take to make it work?
Thanks,
Eric
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07-26-2001, 10:52 PM
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one surely would'nt be large enough to make any more power than your motor makes aspirated. two of them however would be a whole a whole different ball game as long as you've got the fuel system to go with it.
07-26-2001, 11:23 PM
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Car: 86' Z28
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so your saying this could possibly work? there were probably 50 of these cars sitting out there, so two wouldn't be too much of a problem.... hmmmm, this may get interesting....
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85 IROC w/ 1364 miles!
You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
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You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
07-26-2001, 11:36 PM
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http://www.geocities.com/toohighpsi/BudgetTT.htm
There are a number of other sites out there that have similar setups.
BW
There are a number of other sites out there that have similar setups.
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Thats pretty much what I've done. I can tell you tho that all the fabrication required is a nightmare. You can't exactly go to a guy and say you "need a Y pipe". Everything has to be customdone, inch by inch. mine doesn't look the greatest but it's pretty much done for around $700. It was only 500 before I rebuilt both turbos.
You can check out my car through the top link in my sig.
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You can check out my car through the top link in my sig.
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07-27-2001, 07:59 AM
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What kind of headers did you use? I'm thinking of shamelessly stealing your design. 
I keep thinking about 10# of boost to to the 383 next year. 
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I keep thinking about 10# of boost to to the 383 next year. ------------------
91 Firebird Formula. Converted to carb. Holley 650 dp. Forged Flat top pistons. ZZ-9 Cam. Sportsman II Heads.
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Car: 86' Z28
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jester, i know the fabrication is gonna be a pain, but i plan on bringing the car right to the guy, and im gonna help him out with it. this guy knows his stuff, im sure he could do it, he just needs something to look at. Im gonna go to the yard Monday and see what kind of deal i can get on a couple of turbos. This is definately gonna be interesting....
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You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
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You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
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Jester,
I was just checking your car out, and i got a general idea as to what to do, but i have a few questions. first of all, i saw your mods list, and it said a lot of things were JSP motorsports, so im assuming that means you fabbed it yourself? Do you sell any of these things or was it just a one time thing?
Also, looking at my car as it is, it seems like it would be easier to make the downpipes just turn and go back under the header towards the firewall on each side, instead of crossing over the front of the motor and having to relocate all the accesories.
One more thing, all of the pics show the intake assembly off the car, what are using to go from the turbos to the carb?
Taking yet another look at both turbo setup pages, im beginning to think a single turbo setup would be much more do-able. I know its not gonna make much power, but i just want to challenge myself and see if i can do something of this caliber (and i want to able to get a blow off valve so it can make that cool noise) however, at this point twin turbos are pretty much above my head. i was unaware of the cooling and oiling systems nessesary for these things too. i think i am gonna try and attempt this though. You never know what might happen...
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My 1986 Z28
GM350, T-5, 3.23's, lots of go fast goodies, 4th gen Firebird interior etc...
85 IROC w/ 1364 miles!
You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
[This message has been edited by zupmanZ28 (edited July 27, 2001).]
I was just checking your car out, and i got a general idea as to what to do, but i have a few questions. first of all, i saw your mods list, and it said a lot of things were JSP motorsports, so im assuming that means you fabbed it yourself? Do you sell any of these things or was it just a one time thing?
Also, looking at my car as it is, it seems like it would be easier to make the downpipes just turn and go back under the header towards the firewall on each side, instead of crossing over the front of the motor and having to relocate all the accesories.
One more thing, all of the pics show the intake assembly off the car, what are using to go from the turbos to the carb?
Taking yet another look at both turbo setup pages, im beginning to think a single turbo setup would be much more do-able. I know its not gonna make much power, but i just want to challenge myself and see if i can do something of this caliber (and i want to able to get a blow off valve so it can make that cool noise
) however, at this point twin turbos are pretty much above my head. i was unaware of the cooling and oiling systems nessesary for these things too. i think i am gonna try and attempt this though. You never know what might happen...------------------
My 1986 Z28
GM350, T-5, 3.23's, lots of go fast goodies, 4th gen Firebird interior etc...
85 IROC w/ 1364 miles!
You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt
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07-27-2001, 10:30 PM
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Yeah JSP Motorsports is just me. I don't have a Product line available or anything tho..at least not yet If someone offered me enough I'd prolly rip any of it off my car and sell it tho
Sending the pipes back on both sides is a problem because of the steering shaft and brake system on the drivers side. It might be possible...but I thought it looked iffy. You could turn them both down and run them under the crossmember, but I didn't want to give up the ground clearance.
The turbo to carb plumbing wasnt; made as of those pics. it is now mostly...but I still don;t have any pics up. It's real simple tho, just piping leading from the turbos to a bonnet on top of the carb
A single turbo would be much easier to do. The problem is you can't pick up a turbo big enough to use just one of for $70 in a junkyard. For a turbo like that you pretty much have to contact a real turbo dealer and pay retail. If you look and wait around a bit you might get one for reletivly cheap on somthing like ebay..but the expense is still significant enough it's almost worth going to a dealer for one.
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"American made baby. 100% American iron. The muscle among the masses. My hero. Yep, you can take your ergonomically designed, space age, computer controlled, 4 door, cup holding map lighted split double wishbone split fold down retractable cargo covered moon roof piece of transportation and keep it. For I have felt the thunder. And I know the difference!"
JSP Motorsports
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[This message has been edited by Jester (edited July 27, 2001).]
If someone offered me enough I'd prolly rip any of it off my car and sell it tho Sending the pipes back on both sides is a problem because of the steering shaft and brake system on the drivers side. It might be possible...but I thought it looked iffy. You could turn them both down and run them under the crossmember, but I didn't want to give up the ground clearance.
The turbo to carb plumbing wasnt; made as of those pics. it is now mostly...but I still don;t have any pics up. It's real simple tho, just piping leading from the turbos to a bonnet on top of the carb
A single turbo would be much easier to do. The problem is you can't pick up a turbo big enough to use just one of for $70 in a junkyard. For a turbo like that you pretty much have to contact a real turbo dealer and pay retail. If you look and wait around a bit you might get one for reletivly cheap on somthing like ebay..but the expense is still significant enough it's almost worth going to a dealer for one.
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"American made baby. 100% American iron. The muscle among the masses. My hero. Yep, you can take your ergonomically designed, space age, computer controlled, 4 door, cup holding map lighted split double wishbone split fold down retractable cargo covered moon roof piece of transportation and keep it. For I have felt the thunder. And I know the difference!"
JSP Motorsports
ICON Motorsports
[This message has been edited by Jester (edited July 27, 2001).]
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