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Lowered cars & floor jacks......
I discovered this week, that the small portable floor jack I carry in my car, will not fit under even the side of my car with a flat tire. 
Anybody ever encountered this & come up with a roadside solution to changing a tire?
I kinda did, but gotta build one for next time & carry in my car. A real short wooden block to drive up on, just tall enough to lift the car enough to fit the floor jack under the car. I built one outof 1 2"x4" layer, but that wasn't tall enough. And 2 layers was TOO tall to fit. I'm gonna slice a board in half (thickness-wise) & try that.
Anybody ever encountered this & come up with a roadside solution to changing a tire?
I kinda did, but gotta build one for next time & carry in my car. A real short wooden block to drive up on, just tall enough to lift the car enough to fit the floor jack under the car. I built one outof 1 2"x4" layer, but that wasn't tall enough. And 2 layers was TOO tall to fit. I'm gonna slice a board in half (thickness-wise) & try that.
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Re: Lowered cars & floor jacks......
I discovered this week, that the small portable floor jack I carry in my car, will not fit under even the side of my car with a flat tire.
Anybody ever encountered this & come up with a roadside solution to changing a tire?
I kinda did, but gotta build one for next time & carry in my car. A real short wooden block to drive up on, just tall enough to lift the car enough to fit the floor jack under the car. I built one outof 1 2"x4" layer, but that wasn't tall enough. And 2 layers was TOO tall to fit. I'm gonna slice a board in half (thickness-wise) & try that.
Anybody ever encountered this & come up with a roadside solution to changing a tire?
I kinda did, but gotta build one for next time & carry in my car. A real short wooden block to drive up on, just tall enough to lift the car enough to fit the floor jack under the car. I built one outof 1 2"x4" layer, but that wasn't tall enough. And 2 layers was TOO tall to fit. I'm gonna slice a board in half (thickness-wise) & try that.
11-04-2010, 11:05 AM
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Find a driveway or a curb to drive up on. Common problem for most performance cars. Alot of times you stick the jack under the rearend and lift the car then reset it, then you can attack the side towards the rear tire lifting and reseting until the front tires are unsettled enough to hold the chassis up to get a jack centered on the side rails enough to get the front wheels up.
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Re: Lowered cars & floor jacks......
When I park the Camaro in the garage and try jacking it up to do some work I have to do what Vetruck mentioned... jack up the back and work my way to the front. Or when I pull it in I lay down some pieces of 2x12 and stop the car on those. I would think keeping a piece of 2x4 in the spare tire area would do just as good.
11-04-2010, 06:18 PM
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First lemme say...All the below pics are from before I lowered my car. It won't even fit on those ramps anymore! 
I need to add a 4th layer to reach the tires before the nose reaches the ramp & hits.
If 3" of wood (2-2"x4" boards) is too tall to fit under the nose of my car, a curb is WAY too tall.
And portable wood ramps are way easier than playing the move-the-jack-and-reset game. And you can't ALWAYS depend on a curb being somewhere to back up on & then HOPE your front gets high enough to get a floor jack under. Besides...Now the side you need to jack up is right by a curb. I don't see that working 99% of the time.
A single 2"x is too short & 2 2"x's are too tall to fit under the nose of my car. This is how you do it at home & on the cheap! 
The reason for double stops at the end, because I initially made them as 2-piece (lighter than 1 heavy ramp) ramps that I just stacked. I have since removed 1 stop & screwed them together into 1-piece ramps. And yes..1 ramp HAD a longer lower piece. I messed up my cuts & had to cut the longer one down to match the shorter one.
A little woodwork & screws are cheaper & easier than buying a special jack to tote around. This is only the 2nd simple flat I've had to change in my entire life (39yrs old).
I'm just gonna redo my portable ramps & I'll report back.
I need to add a 4th layer to reach the tires before the nose reaches the ramp & hits.Find a driveway or a curb to drive up on. Common problem for most performance cars. Alot of times you stick the jack under the rearend and lift the car then reset it, then you can attack the side towards the rear tire lifting and resetting until the front tires are unsettled enough to hold the chassis up to get a jack centered on the side rails enough to get the front wheels up.
And portable wood ramps are way easier than playing the move-the-jack-and-reset game. And you can't ALWAYS depend on a curb being somewhere to back up on & then HOPE your front gets high enough to get a floor jack under. Besides...Now the side you need to jack up is right by a curb. I don't see that working 99% of the time.
When I park the Camaro in the garage and try jacking it up to do some work I have to do what Vetruck mentioned... jack up the back and work my way to the front. Or when I pull it in I lay down some pieces of 2x12 and stop the car on those. I would think keeping a piece of 2x4 in the spare tire area would do just as good.
The reason for double stops at the end, because I initially made them as 2-piece (lighter than 1 heavy ramp) ramps that I just stacked. I have since removed 1 stop & screwed them together into 1-piece ramps. And yes..1 ramp HAD a longer lower piece. I messed up my cuts & had to cut the longer one down to match the shorter one.
I'm just gonna redo my portable ramps & I'll report back.
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Re: Lowered cars & floor jacks......
So, are you going to carry those in your trunk all the time? Not being able to get my jack under my car when I get a flat tire never crossed my mind...I guess I better build a ramp or two myself. The last time I got/noticed a flat I was in the middle of a parking lot and no curbs to drive up on in sight, but my car was 2" higher than it is right now so getting the jack under the car wasn't a problem.
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So, are you going to carry those in your trunk all the time? Not being able to get my jack under my car when I get a flat tire never crossed my mind...I guess I better build a ramp or two myself. The last time I got/noticed a flat I was in the middle of a parking lot and no curbs to drive up on in sight, but my car was 2" higher than it is right now so getting the jack under the car wasn't a problem.
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Re: Lowered cars & floor jacks......
Was at the Junkyard today (I'm there every day). I was looking for control arms. I used a jack out of a buick that looks like one of those old bumper jacks except it lays down. It has a VERY low profile. Lemme try to find a Pic.
11-04-2010, 11:30 PM
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Like the stock scissor jack? I've got a couple of those laying around.....Not very strong or sturdy, IMO.
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Was unable to find a pic. The Mechanism travels along a track. It's not a very safe jack, but it is probably low enough to lift the car enough for a better jack.
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I figured it out. Try this Jack........
http://www.safecaremergencykits.com/car-jack.html
I'm gonna have to get one of these. They look pretty damn good. Here's a link that shows one in action:
http://www.carbasics.co.uk/inflatabl...t_air_jack.htm
http://www.safecaremergencykits.com/car-jack.html
I'm gonna have to get one of these. They look pretty damn good. Here's a link that shows one in action:
http://www.carbasics.co.uk/inflatabl...t_air_jack.htm
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#2....It is just WRONG (not to mention illegal) to be using a disabled persons ramp for changing a tire. The ramp is there for a reason, which is not for people to use to change tires.
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Re: Lowered cars & floor jacks......
While I worked at a ford dealer we had the roush mustangs come in and we had to jack the rear end of the car up to get the lift arms under the side skirts, then bring up the lift to meet the car... maybe this will help you..
If I wasn't clear you would need two jacks, one under the rear and one to the side that needs worked on.. or back up onto your home made ramps
If I wasn't clear you would need two jacks, one under the rear and one to the side that needs worked on.. or back up onto your home made ramps
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I figured it out. Try this Jack........
http://www.safecaremergencykits.com/car-jack.html
I'm gonna have to get one of these. They look pretty damn good. Here's a link that shows one in action:
http://www.carbasics.co.uk/inflatabl...t_air_jack.htm
http://www.safecaremergencykits.com/car-jack.html
I'm gonna have to get one of these. They look pretty damn good. Here's a link that shows one in action:
http://www.carbasics.co.uk/inflatabl...t_air_jack.htm
I was only posting to share really. And share my CHEAP solution. Not really looking to spend a bunch of bucks to "fix it". 
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#1, you didn't read, or you had read how curbs are way to tall for my nose to fit over & how using curbs make things hard anyways.....
#2....It is just WRONG (not to mention illegal) to be using a disabled persons ramp for changing a tire. The ramp is there for a reason, which is not for people to use to change tires.
#2....It is just WRONG (not to mention illegal) to be using a disabled persons ramp for changing a tire. The ramp is there for a reason, which is not for people to use to change tires.
#1 My TA has been every bit as low as yours. The side flares on most handicap ramps are a max of 10% slope which is the most ADA allows for. Many are even flatter than that, and ditto for a lot of driveways. That means in the 3 feet from your tire to the nose, the curb is only 3.6" higher. Your car aint that low, sorry. At a 24.5" fender height on a new 245/50r16 and a flat tire, still have more than that from the nose to the ground. Checked it. If you're still concerned then go backwards, there is even more clearance in the rear. Its possible you may drag the side, but I never did and I have SSM SFC's and those hang pretty low. Or find an AC curb somewhere, those are super easy to get your car on and over, even lowered. Been there, done that too.
#2. You can use that ramp for whatever you please. Its use is not limited to handicapped people. Use it to get your car half on the curb/sidewalk, and drive the thing to an appropriate location out of ANYONES way to do your business. Thats the whole idea. I never said to park on the thing, so stuff your criticism.
No, its not easy being on a curb to work on your car. I've changed a tire this way, a fuel filter, and put a missing caliper bolt back in. I guess if you want to carry ramps around with you then sure, but without those you make your surroundings work for you. Many curbs due to repaving and poor construction are way lower than the typical plan spec 6", in fact usually on a completed site its around 5.5". One slurry seal later and you're at 5", making things not quite so tall anymore. There are even many stores with very long 0" curb transition from drive aisle to sidewalks, that at the ends transition over 20' to a 6" curb(this is a typical spec for places like Home Depot, Lowes, Best Buy, and many other box and grocery stores), there is no possible way your car will drag on that.
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You didnt read.
#1 My TA has been every bit as low as yours. The side flares on most handicap ramps are a max of 10% slope which is the most ADA allows for. Many are even flatter than that, and ditto for a lot of driveways. That means in the 3 feet from your tire to the nose, the curb is only 3.6" higher. Your car aint that low, sorry. At a 24.5" fender height on a new 245/50r16 and a flat tire, still have more than that from the nose to the ground. Checked it. If you're still concerned then go backwards, there is even more clearance in the rear. Its possible you may drag the side, but I never did and I have SSM SFC's and those hang pretty low. Or find an AC curb somewhere, those are super easy to get your car on and over, even lowered. Been there, done that too.
#2. Use your head. You still have one, right? You can use that ramp for whatever you please. Its use is not limited to handicapped people. Use it to get your car half on the curb/sidewalk, and drive the thing to an appropriate location out of ANYONES way to do your business. Thats the whole idea. I never said to park on the thing, so stuff your criticism.
No, its not easy being on a curb to work on your car. I've changed a tire this way, a fuel filter, and put a missing caliper bolt back in. I guess if you want to carry ramps around with you then sure, but without those you make your surroundings work for you. Many curbs due to repaving and poor construction are way lower than the typical plan spec 6", in fact usually on a completed site its around 5.5". One slurry seal later and you're at 5", making things not quite so tall anymore. There are even many stores with very long 0" curb transition from drive aisle to sidewalks, that at the ends transition over 20' to a 6" curb(this is a typical spec for places like Home Depot, Lowes, Best Buy, and many other box and grocery stores), there is no possible way your car will drag on that.
#1 My TA has been every bit as low as yours. The side flares on most handicap ramps are a max of 10% slope which is the most ADA allows for. Many are even flatter than that, and ditto for a lot of driveways. That means in the 3 feet from your tire to the nose, the curb is only 3.6" higher. Your car aint that low, sorry. At a 24.5" fender height on a new 245/50r16 and a flat tire, still have more than that from the nose to the ground. Checked it. If you're still concerned then go backwards, there is even more clearance in the rear. Its possible you may drag the side, but I never did and I have SSM SFC's and those hang pretty low. Or find an AC curb somewhere, those are super easy to get your car on and over, even lowered. Been there, done that too.
#2. Use your head. You still have one, right? You can use that ramp for whatever you please. Its use is not limited to handicapped people. Use it to get your car half on the curb/sidewalk, and drive the thing to an appropriate location out of ANYONES way to do your business. Thats the whole idea. I never said to park on the thing, so stuff your criticism.
No, its not easy being on a curb to work on your car. I've changed a tire this way, a fuel filter, and put a missing caliper bolt back in. I guess if you want to carry ramps around with you then sure, but without those you make your surroundings work for you. Many curbs due to repaving and poor construction are way lower than the typical plan spec 6", in fact usually on a completed site its around 5.5". One slurry seal later and you're at 5", making things not quite so tall anymore. There are even many stores with very long 0" curb transition from drive aisle to sidewalks, that at the ends transition over 20' to a 6" curb(this is a typical spec for places like Home Depot, Lowes, Best Buy, and many other box and grocery stores), there is no possible way your car will drag on that.
If he had turned the block of wood sideways so as to havce the rim lips up on it he would have PLENTY of height.
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11-05-2010, 02:13 AM
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Dont have a :shrug: smilie.
There's always more than one way to skin a cat. When I see the word "cant" (or any set of words to mean the same thing), I cringe. Sometimes with a fixed set of objects, sure... cant is ok. In a world full of variables, cant does not apply. Maybe there's a folding ramp idea out there, that could work without trying to find an object in nature. Could be just about anything... but "cant"? Thats a terrible way to think.
There's always more than one way to skin a cat. When I see the word "cant" (or any set of words to mean the same thing), I cringe. Sometimes with a fixed set of objects, sure... cant is ok. In a world full of variables, cant does not apply. Maybe there's a folding ramp idea out there, that could work without trying to find an object in nature. Could be just about anything... but "cant"? Thats a terrible way to think.
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I'm done with my thread.....Sorry I tried to warn others before they discovered the same problem on the side of the road. At least I was at home, when mine went flat.
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How tall are those? They are about the same length as the little wooden ramps I made, but 3" was too tall & those look a bit more than just 3" which means those wouldn't have fit either.
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Maybe I can help bring the thread back on topic? 
I use this setup in my truck because of the exact opposite problem (too high for the stock jack), it would work with a camaro with the 5 spoke wheels but not sure if it would work with the firebird/trans am wheels. The holes in the wheels might not be big enough.
There's a wheel lifting strap made by the Hi Lift jack company, its basically two coated metal hooks connected by a strap that attaches to the jack, you set the jack by the wheel, hook the spokes, and lift it up by the wheel. Then you have to place something under the vehicle (jack stand, rock, whatever you have) and lower the vehicle down on that, change your wheel, and repeat the process to get whatever you have holding the car up out from under it. Maybe that lifting strap could be used with another smaller type of jack. Cost of that strap is under 40 bucks so its fairly cheap.
Or here's another one, a little more expensive at 120 bucks but it'll work and maybe save some weight since you won't have to haul a jack around.
http://www.airjackusa.com/
Its an air bag that lifts the car. Uses the exhaust to fill it up and lift.
I use this setup in my truck because of the exact opposite problem (too high for the stock jack), it would work with a camaro with the 5 spoke wheels but not sure if it would work with the firebird/trans am wheels. The holes in the wheels might not be big enough.
There's a wheel lifting strap made by the Hi Lift jack company, its basically two coated metal hooks connected by a strap that attaches to the jack, you set the jack by the wheel, hook the spokes, and lift it up by the wheel. Then you have to place something under the vehicle (jack stand, rock, whatever you have) and lower the vehicle down on that, change your wheel, and repeat the process to get whatever you have holding the car up out from under it. Maybe that lifting strap could be used with another smaller type of jack. Cost of that strap is under 40 bucks so its fairly cheap.
Or here's another one, a little more expensive at 120 bucks but it'll work and maybe save some weight since you won't have to haul a jack around.
http://www.airjackusa.com/
Its an air bag that lifts the car. Uses the exhaust to fill it up and lift.
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Or here's another one, a little more expensive at 120 bucks but it'll work and maybe save some weight since you won't have to haul a jack around.
http://www.airjackusa.com/
Its an air bag that lifts the car. Uses the exhaust to fill it up and lift.
http://www.airjackusa.com/
Its an air bag that lifts the car. Uses the exhaust to fill it up and lift.
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The wood screws I bought in bulk awhile back. The wood is leftover from a home renovation I got for free.
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$30 ain't much, but when I can use lumber I have laying around & wood screws I already have? Why go buy anything?
How tall are those? They are about the same length as the little wooden ramps I made, but 3" was too tall & those look a bit more than just 3" which means those wouldn't have fit either.
How tall are those? They are about the same length as the little wooden ramps I made, but 3" was too tall & those look a bit more than just 3" which means those wouldn't have fit either.
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I don't like the scissor jack, mine flexed under the weight of my car so I am probably going to buy one of those mini floor jacks. About the same size as the scissor jack and the one I used worked great. I jack mine up by the sway bar but if you have ground effects I'm sure you'll have a great deal of trouble doing that.
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