iroc stangs

ya not much but this is most of my chrismas money and im only 13 and on top of the 200 bucks im getting a 200piece crasftmen tool set.

and i wanna spend the 200 bucks on performance parts for my 87 iroc camaro 305tpi/auto and first i want to get spark plugs and spark plugs wires and what do you guys suggest that are good but not extremely expensive plugs and wires?

what other stuff do you guys suggest and its gotta be under 200 bucks total. and it cant be really complicated stuff more simple stuff im no mechanic. and yes i have a chilton book and im going be having the tools. so plz help me out.

and do the fuel injector cleaner's and all those additives help or just a scam thx.

actually delete about 80 bucks because i have to buy a new muffler but i dont know what to get help plz i want something thats not to much louder then the stock one and sounds like super 44's

and the car is complety stock so i dont need no dam racing plugs or anything but i dont wanna get cheap stuff just midrange priced plugs and stuff. are the bosche platinum 2 plugs good for performance and cost wise?

are summit racing air filters good or not? or should i just buy cheaper replacment ones?
and is a msd street fire coils good to go with their street fire plug wires? how easy/hard is it to replace?
also is a slp air foil worth the money or not?

So tell me if you think this is a good combo of stuff to buy
stock muffler - where do i buy?
msd street fire spark plug wires
msd street fire coils
bosche platinum 2 spark plugs
summit racing ( or similar in price ) air filters
slp air foil

is this a good combination of things to buy? will this go over my limit though? how long will these things excluding muffler take to install all these parts and are these easier parts to install? how much hp/torque/mpg gain will i gain about. and is there any parts that just dont do anything. and about how much will i expect to spend and what ones are the most important. thx.

IROC_U

MSD Street Fire Plug wires are good, thats what i got, dont get the Yellow accel wires they dont work, Street fire wires are a good upgrade for about 50 bucks

cIaRmOaCrZo

lol i know this may not answer your question, but are you really only 13?? for your age, you seem pretty mature and sophisticated. or are you an older man who is for some appearant reason just embarassed to ask them questions, discuised as a kid?

and the answer to your question, if your all stock, then just get oem plugs and wires. napa has your wires for about $50(life time warrenty), and autozone has the ac delco's for $20. now youll have some left over x-mas money to get something else.

Rolling Thunder

Personally ide get a universal set of summit racing plug wires. There good wires but cheap because there universal and cut to fit so you can route the wires anyway you like. For plugs ide get the standard AC delcos for like $20 there good and cheap. Lastly as for mufflers the reason super 44s sound they way do is because the design of the muffler unfortunetly the design of that muffler doesnt lend itself to being a quiet muffler. If i were you and being quiet was important ide stick with the factory muffler. If sound is important the flowmaster 80 series has that aggressive sound to it but not a lot of the deep low frequencies (like big subs in a car) that make the sound travel. So its loud in and around the car but not hear you coming for miles loud or wake people up at night loud or rattle windows and set off car alarms.

iroc stangs

um no im really 13 lol iv just really into cars and such and im just more mature then most kids anywhere near my age. well this is what i wanna spend my money on just parts and apperance accesories i mean like detail spray and such. is the street fire wires good like the other guy mentioned? there pretty cheap

iroc stangs

i was thinking of getting summit racing wires but thing is i have to pay cash so could i order them from a mechanic and pick it up from them? im installing all the parts myself i love this stuff lol. where do i find new stock mufflers because i still like the sound of them and i'll be replacing the exhuast later so i dont wanna buy real expensive.

xbox07

If your 13 and that is your car domain then im confused by the first few lines on it "I got this awesome 87 iroc-z camaro back in 93 and she was my daily driver just to work which was only about 3 miles away but in 98 there was a inside job and a whole gang stole my camaro which was in front of my work".

cIaRmOaCrZo

well hell yeah, its good to see the youngsters getting into it at that age. i didnt get my iroc till i was 15. you got a hell of a good start lol.

and as for the street fire wires, idk. iv never bought them nor heard too much about them.

iroc stangs

i know ok well some times i feel like people are going treat me diffrent if i say im 13 and im just kinda taking over in my mother's place and the entire story is TRUE.

xbox07

So it was your moms car? I'm not trying to be a **** i just wanted to check out your car domain and it didn't add up.

iroc stangs

ya its fun to show off my camaro everyone is like LUCKY all im going have is some crappy civic or so me say there going have a corvette which we all know that most likely that aint going happen.

iroc stangs

ya i just like to take credit for it sometimes

iroc stangs

o ya and why i need a new muffler is because the metal baffles in it fell off and now exhuast fumes are coming out of the muffler not alot but ya theres a hole or something like that in it now.

Rolling Thunder

Well i really dont know if you can order them through a mechanic and pick them up. Probably not unless they were going to tack on some extra charge. What you could do though is buy one of thoes pre paid cards that you can use like a credit card or i believe summit even takes mailed in money orders. To me thats why i got a debit card ASAP because summit racing is the walmart of high performance they have everything and cheaper than anyone else. As far as the muffler going to your local auto parts store you'll be able to get just a factory replacement muffler. Also i forgot to mention although a lot of those additives are bs and can actually do harm the fuel injector cleaner is a good thing to use i use it with every oil change to keep the injectors clean (there a big dollar item). As far as mods there's really not alot you can do after all the other stuff has been bought. Do your self a favor and save it till you have more money to play with because youll need it for little odds and ends repairs or tune ups trust me lol. If you wanted to do anything though ide stick with appearance stuff for now like maybe a new steering wheel or chrome exhaust tips floor mats and dont forget armor all and wax. Easy little things that will make a big difference.

iroc stangs

well right now im not trying to get a crap load of power out of the car every little thing adds up and im trying to keep the apperance as stock looking as i can honestly im not into the totaly modded camaros some look good but this is my mothers camaro and it mean lots to both her and I and the exculed 50 bucks is just for apperance stuff i just need to re stock on some little stuff i probaly wont spend near that much. ok should i just do this msd street fire plug wires, bosch platnium 2 plugs, k&n air filters. and spend a lil bit on fuel injector cleaners. and is the engine restorer stuff that goes into the oil any good its in a silver tin can i cant remember the name. iv already got a steering wheel cover, chrome tips, and i since it isnt droven much i'll get some custom real nice floor mats later and i already have some expensive sheepskin seat covers and a chrome liscence plate frame.
so should this be fine

street fire plug wires
bosche platnium 2 plugs
replacment air filter
and a stock muffler

so do i just go to say napa ask get a replacment muffler ordered? can i get all of the above items from say napa or schucks. and how much should i expect 2 pay?

and i totaly forgot to make it legall i need to get a title, reg, and pass emmisions how much does this all cost to get done?

Rolling Thunder

Well to me the wires are a judgment call. The plugs though ide deffinetly recommend sticking with the AC delcos. K&N filters would be good too. The fuel injector cleaner is good but engin restore stuff is crap ide stick away from. What it does is makes the seals swell which can make oil leaks and stuff slow or stop however this damages the seals even further and in the long run youll be worse off than if you had just left it alone. As far as the muffler is concerned yea thats pretty much it. If you go up to a place like napa tell them the year and model of your car and maybe even the 8th digit of your vin number or motor size and thell be able to look it up and get it ordered. How much for the muffler that varies a bit but you can go to NAPAs web site and look it up online or call them they should be able to tell you over the phone. As far as getting the car registered that varies to widely from state to state. It can be pricey though depending on what your state requires and usually insurance is required before you can register the car thats the real big expence. Although being 13 and not able to drive the car after its registered you can change the insurance to storage insurance. Its like $15 a year and the car will be insured in case of a fire or theft heaven forbid and it will keep your registration valid. Unfortunetly you cant drive it with storage insureance but you can get it changed to regular insurance with 24 hours notice.

iroc stangs

why are you so strong on the ac delco plugs? how at summit they want 30 bucks for a K&N filter is that just for 1 or for the required 2? ya you can never trust some of that stuff. i'll grab a bottle or 2 of the fuel injector cleaner i dont need it for my camaro now because a couple monthes ago the fuel injectors were clean VERY GOOD. i live in oregon and right now it just has the basic insurance you know just like if it is stolen in the driveway or such your covered ya i think its the storage insurance

SiCkRs

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he is selling two mufflers https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...-parts-fs.html

Rolling Thunder

Well the reason im so stong on the AC delco plugs is because theyve proven there value to me and ive never heard anything bad about them ever from anyone. AC delco is a very respectable brand that makes many of the parts for these cars from the factory. AC delcos are the plugs that came in these car from the factory and ive run then in every last one of my cars (up to 4 f bodies now) without exception for over 7-8 years now and they have never failed me prematurely. However you tend to hear mixed things about a lot of other plugs especially bosch. Im not saying all other plugs are crap but even on this forum from time to time you hear about people buying real expensive plugs hoping to get some good results and instead ended up with issues and the result is always the same, AC delcos. Plus there not expensive at all another big plus. Yea for the most part i want to say 99% of addatives are not only bs but can actually do hard. Off the top of my head only the fuel injector cleaner I conciser to be a good thing to do. I Run it through rather frequently to keep the injectors clean and even the fuel pump and stuff to prevent build up and keep them clean. All very expensive stuff that could hopefully be postponed with the used of the cleaner. Is the cost of the cleaner over the years more than the cost of the parts ide end up replacing if i didnt use it? That i cant say but I can say at least it wont do harm. As far as the filter goes that i cant say if $30 for one or the set. I would normally assume the set but at $30 that sounds a little low to me? If you call summit should you decide to order them you can ask them while you place the order and they can tell you for certain one way or the other.

iroc stangs

i think i'll go with the ac delcos from your advice! i think but not positive i might have the factory plugs in the car even after it was sitting for 5years outside and all dam they must be good! but i have this problem the car will die VERY easy if you have the radio on for about 10 minutes the car wont start like i had the door open for about 10 mins and now it wont start so i'll have to borrow the battery charger from my neighbor do you think if i charge it for a couple hours it will stock doing this so easy? that and the muffler is the only problems iv had with the car. i'll try to run FI cleaner every oil change. also the car has been running on non synethetic oil and iv heard if you switch to synthetic oil on a engine that has been running on non synethetic it will lossen gunk and totaly mess with your engine is that true? if so what oil should i buy next time? and is it safe to go about 6 monthes without a oil change since the car isnt driven much? i think you only get 1 filter per 30 bucks i was just checking 2 see if you know. it seems about right 2 me atleast about 60 bucks for the requirments.

Rolling Thunder

Well its a funny thing on batteries. Like many things they have whats called a shelf life and what that means is like it sounds if you were to set that battery on a shelf how long would it last and be good? Batteries typically a lead acid battery (standard car battery) as a rule of thumb only last about 3-5 years depending on the design of the battery. Worse yet a battery is also something that oddly enough likes to be used and will actually wear out faster from a lack of use. So being that you say the cars been sitting for roughly 5 years i think its safe to say the batteries dead and isn't holding the charge it once was able to leading to the battery dieing quickly. However you can take your battery in to your local parts store and have it load tested any you may want to consider doing that. As far as oil is concerned although its a very touchy subject with people my take on it is this. That whole thing about the gunk from the motor coming loose from synthetics damaging your motor may have some truth to it. That being said if there was sludge build up to even come loose thats a sign of poor maintenance so if the motor blows up whos to say it was the synthetic oils fault? So really what im trying to say is no you wont kill your motor just by switching to synthetics unless you were already suffering from a lack of maintenece in which case even regular oil may wash some of the sludge out. There have been claims of leaks caused by synthetic oils for basically the same reason the oil ate the sludge and then leaks appeared. Course again to me that not the oils fault thats the the seals fault. However a well maintained motor should not really have a sludge build up. Ive opened up motors that were so clean inside you could eat off them if you wiped the oil off not a trace of sludge anywhere no excuses. If it were me with an 87 that has a roller valve train ide recommend running synthetics like mobile one. Really any oil thats rated to meet the specifications of your motor should be just fine as long as you keep up with maintenance. However again like with the fuel system cleaner will the added expence of the cost of oil be less than the parts you would have to replace if you ran $10 walmart oil? That i cant say but i can say that ive seen and heard other say as i have seen after disassembling a motor that was run with synthetics even the cross hatch pattern on the cylinder walls from the factory or last rebuild was not worn away where as with motors that were run on conventional oil it would be gone without a trace. Its not very scientific and there's really a lot more to it than synthetics are just the best period end but from what ive seen as far as wear and tear on motor internals synthetics seem to have an edge in motors with roller valve trains. Now can you go 6 months without an oil change even if its not driven? Technically per factory manual spec no. They claim that for what youll be doing with the car it falls under the service schedule of 3k or 3 months whichever comes first. Granted it depends a lot of the conditions the cars stored under how often is not driven to often and also when it is driven for how long? Its really a complicated matter and with something like that ide play it on the safe side. However I really would try to drive it every now and then and even if i wasnt expecting to drive it i would still start it and let it at least get to normal operating temps from time to time. Cars do not like to sit one bit.

iroc stangs

ya i probaly need a new battery but im going try first to charge the battery for a couple hours and see if it doesnt happen so dam easy. i'll probaly run synthetic but i still have a few months. i try to go out each day and have it run for about 5mins and if magically it starts without the charger i'll run it up n down the driveway. i noticed there are a couple diffrent type of ac delco plugs what do you suggest is there really a diffrence of the base type plugs to the 6buck a plug ones? and should i just safe up for the tags and such and just get a cheaper air filter?

Rolling Thunder

Persoanlly ide just get the standard ones. Ive heard good things about the $6 plug but the standard ones are just fine. Personally since the standard air filters are a fraction of the price of K&Ns ide just save the money because getting a car registered is pretty expensive but even beyond that you'll need it for other odds and ends things the creep up. I mean even things like brakes if there bad thats like $40 right there per axle. Before I went and spent money on the other stuff ide go through the car and inspect everything and see what youll need in terms of repairs/maintenance items. It will save you a lot in the long run.

Pierced_Zombie

lmao had to laugh at that, and i dont think 200$ is going to carry you as far as your thinking :/

Bryceman

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Do you have any comments on why the yellow Accel wires 'dont work' ?

carbsrule

Dude, go to a junkyard with a sawzall, find a car with a flowmaster and chop it off. Most yards will charge no more than 15 dollars. You may even get it for free.

alloy

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Aaron_SK

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They're junk. Had a set burn up bad. All of the casings got crumbly at the same time. Replaced the with off-the-shelf 7mm Baxters wires to get the car running to get to work. Ended up leaving those on for six months till I bought a set of Taylor Spiro Pro's (good wires those Taylors. I hear the Summit brand is very similar).

To the original poster:

When I was 13 I owned a 1974 Dodge Dart with a 318 V8. My Dad also had a 1962 Dodge D100 Fleetside around that time. I can appreciate you getting into domestic junk at a young age:

stock muffler Waste of money. Like others have mentioned, get a used aftermarket of Craigslist or the junkyard. Go to your local Napa Auto and buy some band clamps to bolt it up (don't use U-bolt clamps, they leak).

msd street fire spark plug wires

Don't waste your money. If you do decide to spend money here, go store brand 8mm, Summit, or Taylor.

msd street fire coils Why? Coils work or they don't. If you ran a Jacobs with a large plug gap. better places to spend money.

bosche platinum 2 spark plugs Nope. Don't work. Seen several sets of those come out of SBC engines. They foul and idle like garbage. Get Autolite coppers. They are champs.

summit racing ( or similar in price ) air filters Get Wix filters. Ten bucks. Gut the box. K&N is a joke. K&N knockoffs are twice the joke.

slp air foil No. Waste of money.

fuel injector cleaner Do you like changing O2 sensors?

Just some free advice: Don't dump stuff into the oil, unless it's Rislone and you're selling the car that day. Don't dump stuff into the gas, unless it's Sta-Bil in the winter, or Isoheet before emissions.

*Edit: BTW, I'm a member of the same car club as alloy. Don't let my don't let my punk attitude dissuade you, it's a good group of guys.