chefdan1

i was on the way home from church when a blue challenger passes me going around 45. i saw him and i know he saw me. i opened the cut-out and pulled up beside. i gave him a thumbs up and he knew it was on. i hear him slam the gas and i did as well i was in overdrive so i was side by side till around third when i started pulling on him. i slowed back down and he looked over and smiled. then he pointed ahead and hit the gas. i dropped it into second thise time and pulled instantly and continued to pull. when i slowed back down this time he said good lord that thing is nasty. i commeted him on his car and he gave me a thumbs up. it looked exactly like the one from the fast and furious and it sounded real mean. guy was cool as anything.

Meat Curtains

MdFormula350

awesome win :hail:

TexasLT1

wtf?

SLP-GTA

iTrader: (1)

I love the Challengers, so I have to wave the not because I didnt think you won, its I like Challengers and I hate to see them get smoked

jocww

uhhh u know a challanger is like a cuda, pony size fast and the furious is a charger i think like a 68 69 same type as the one in bullit bullits is a 68 so im guessin a 68 in fandf

Black363IROCZ

the charger in F&F was a 70, that was the only year the charger had the wraparound grille. if the challenger was a hemi, 440 six pack, 440 quad, or AAR (340 six pack) I'd find it hard to believe, those are all 12 second vehicles on bias plys, modern radials they are even faster, and a 330 HP motor in a 3rd gen is good for mid-low 13s

bigals87z28

good win! its always good to run a true die hard muscle car. The one in 2f2f is a monster!! anything can happen on the street. good win!

chefdan1

don't call bs. i never lie. i felt bad for beating him. he acknowledged my car and complemented on how great it ran. i don't know what it is but my combiation on my drivetrain is like a match made in heaven

bigals87z28

chef... have you ran your car at the track yet?

FruityOne

I always thought that Challenger R/T's and AAR Cuda's came equipped with 340's from the factory so that they were legal for SCCA rules.

A 440 six-pack, or a Hemi should have given you an enema though. Heck the 440 six pack put out more than the hemi. The Hemi was advertised at like 425hp I think, but put more like 500hp out.

Now realise I'm only 23, and wasn't around for that stuff so I only have my web research to go on. I could most definitely be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time. Could anyone possibly deny, or backup my post?

jocww

r/t s came with a 360 as the smallest i think i know charger 500s or daytonas or superbirds smallest engine was the 440

Meat Curtains

Just cause you saw slow cars racing them in movies doesn't mean your slow car will beat them. Flag stays.

MetKiss316

F&F was a 1970 Charger

The car in Bullit was a 1967(or 68, i forget) Mustang Fastback.

Nic

There was also a Mopar in Bullit.

Deemax

iTrader: (1)

A Challenger could have most anything in it... a 318 w/ automatic was a pretty common, and pretty lame, combo. So...without knowing what he had... and reading "when i slowed back down this time he said good lord that thing is nasty. i commeted him on his car and he gave me a thumbs up"....(hmmm...you read lips?)...and also "it looked exactly like the one from the fast and furious", which wasn't even the same kind of car....and this whole thing happened on the way home from church??? well, sounds more like a daydream dreamt up during a long boring sermon...

Xceleratemaro

what the f*ck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can you prove that he did not beat this car?

lets see here a car from the 70 that waights a ton with a heavy big block..compared to a 3300lb camaro with at least 330hp...hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

seems to me that it is possible...if all you can say is bs*then you need to expand your vocabulary so we understand what your trying to say! just becouse of that gd movie your going to flame this guy saying he could not have beat a charger? why dont you just shut the f*ck up!

chefdan1

by saying it was from the fast and the furious i meant f&f 2. that was a challenger right??? it could have had any size engine in it. when i slowed down i was to busy talking to the guy to check his car out. why don't ya'll believe me? i thought he was gonna beat me. i had no idea i could take him. there is a cruise in here on saturday and i'm sure he will be there. then i can find out what he is running. maybe snaps some pics. until then don't flame

Meat Curtains

I assume you can prove he can?

Here's a link to a site of a 1970 Challenger (same car in quesiton) that weighs 2900. I don't know about you, but 2900 where I come from is less than 3300. Link removed cause guy who owns site is *wrong*

It would seem to me, that you are the on who is lacking in vocabulary skills. There is no need to yell at me because I have a hard time believing his story.

Maybe he could have. If you would have taken more time to actually read before you ran to the keyboard and acted like a menopausal woman, you wouldn't be so upset right now.

Flag stays.

chefdan1

wow, people have no faith anymore. i guess i should not even mention the other cars i have beatin in the last couple of weeks.

chefdan1

bigals87z28,

no i have not had time to run my car at the track yet. my dad was sick with cancer and has recently went to live with the lord. the track is the last thing on my mind. i got pulled over yesterday for out of date tags. it's weird these are things that my dad use to remind me about. i hope i don't work on father's day. i work at a resturaunt.

bigals87z28

Oh man. Thats horrible... Im so sorry to hear that. I know how you feel man. I think ya still won this race. F the dam cops. Nice car and I hope things work out for ya. Good luck man.
Alex

Xceleratemaro

ps: who the f*ck are you calling *******? ooooooooooyour a big bad red haired red neck thats 21.....you need to watch what you say to other people and have some respect..im sure no one has gone into any of your post and just answered it with !

Black363IROCZ

UHHHH you sound like a ric3r dude. 1) old muscle cars (the pony cars that is) weigh less than most sports cars do today, compare an SBC 1st gen with it's 3200 lb curb weight to an LT1 4th gen with its 3600 lb curb weight, old muscle cars don't have tons of extra crap on them to weigh them down, unlike new cars 2) a ton is 2000 lbs, that's damned light, that is CRX and Cordia light, and 3), any mopar (old mopar) with an R/T in the name has a performance engine in it. Old muscle is still more than enough to do our cars in stock for stock and mod for mod, it doesn't quite sink in to some peoples heads though. the only reason why older cars "seem" slower is because when all their runs were made by magazines back in the day they were on bias ply tires, with are 7 " wide and barely enough to put power from a honda to the ground, much less a big block pumping out 500 ft. lbs of torque from 2000-5250 rpm, on top of the fact that to this date there hasn't been a single magazine tester worthy of driving vehicles properly, which is why when you read the times posted by during seasonal factory stock muscle car drags with good drivers and so on, you see things like a 12.2 for a Hemi Cuda on bias plys, 12.5 for 396 SS Camaros, and so on, which is regardless, faster than a stock LS1. and as far as gross HP ratings go, give me a break, take 5-10 HP off the gross rating and get the net, then factor in the superior gearing the old cars had and their light weigh, and their beefy power bands and you've got a car that can run 12s easy if it's on modern radials and not just burning out for 3 seconds fishing for traction with ****ty 7" tires. oh yeah, and he said he beat a challenger.

Deemax

iTrader: (1)

Sorry to hear about your Dad, man. That's gotta be tough. And father's day I'm sure will be especially tough..whether you work or not.
As far as the rest of this... just a few points....
I may be the only guy on this thread who actually drove those old muscle cars back when they were new. And they were fast...but actually...not any faster than some of the stuff out there now. Sure...hemis and LS6s were in a different league...but they were few and far between...
Quite frankly...you're all wrong. No matter which side of this argument you're on. You guys who think any 3rd gen is quick just cause that's what you drive....you got a lot to learn. And you guys who think any 60's muscle car is gonna outperform the new iron out of detroit...never got sideways on F60 redlines. The bottom line is...every car..and every driver...and especially, every car/driver combo..is unique. Some are fast, some aren't..and some are just plain scary.
But then again...I'm the guy who thinks anyone who street races anyone, anywhere, any time...is in idiot. It's childish, dangerous, disrespectful to your machine, people around you...and plain immature. It doesn't prove a thing. You wanna run it? Take it to a track, and run it right. Other than that..show it, cruise it...and respect every body else who cares about theirs as much as you do yours.

Meat Curtains

So everyone on this board should assume you're an ******* because I say you are? Come on man, you need something better than that.

Hmmm... You don't believe somone who owns the car. Great logic. You'll go far.

I thought you were for some reason.

I figured instead of taking up that much space, I'd only post the part I had a problem with. But, have it your way.

Now... Listen carefully. He wasn't racing a Charger. He was racing a Challenger. Say it with me now... Chall-en-ger.

You.

Nobody has gone into a post I've started and put BS, because I generally try to not post a lot of it. Funny how people who don't post BS don't get called on it.

PS: Blah blah blah, personal insult, blah, blah, this has nothing to do with anything, blah blah, shut up dip****.

Ian_F

You know what would be great? If everyone would just stop arguing about something that will never get resolved! If he is telling the truth, good for him, nice kill. If he is BSing, let him fool himself into thinking he is cooler than he really is. NONE OF THIS MATTERS. I personally believe that he DID beat the Challenger, nice kill. I really can't believe people go back and forth about stupid **** like this.

chefdan1

thanks ian, and for everyone that said it thanks for your concerns with my dad. if you would have saw him before he died then you would know why i am not regreting his death. cancer took him from a healthy 230lbs to 138lbs. i am so glad he is in heaven and i and the rest of my family will see him there

on a side note my dad use to be heavily into cars. he had a 1970 GSX Stage 1 with a 455, a 67 gto, 85 regal t-type, and a bandit edition trans am. we use to work on these cars all the time.

if it's not to much to ask throw up a little prayer for him and especiallly my mother. thank you all and *** bless!

Ian_F

Your father will be in my prayers.

brodyscamaro

Chrome

I beat a 1989 GMC Safari Van!!!!! :hail:

:lala:

Black363IROCZ

lol, that sounds like a ric3r beats a V8 kill story

ric3r "man I smoked a big block, that RV had me for a while but I pulled top end and beat him by a car man, I smoked that American V8!"

Bird_of_Prey

who has looked up the weight specs on a 70 challenger? i've always figured (from the drag strips) on the guys that just bring their cars right off the street and weight them there.. 3400 to 3600 lbs.

IROCJTOWN

There is alot of missinformation in this post. First off, no challenger/cuda ran a 12 especialy not on bias ply tires. The fastest time for a stock challenger with a hemi was in the 13.5 range. Challenger T/As(340 6 packs) ran right along side their 440 counter parts to the tune of 14.3 in the quarter. These cars also only weigh 2900 if they are stripped down to nothing. A more realistic number is 3500 for a T/A or other small block vehicle. Here is a lesser known mopar fact, the road runner was designed as a cheap go-fast car for the time, it actualy weighed slightly less than the challenger/cuda although it was a larger vehicle.

Also keep in mind how horsepower was rated back then. The engine was out of the car with no accesories on it when they took numbers.

Two of my buddies own mopars, one is a 70 Challenger T/A(ALL original) the other is a 71 cuda with a 340. I just sold my road runner it was a 71 original 383 air grabber car that I dropped a 440 into.

Black363IROCZ

magazine racer ^
I guess your written "facts" out weigh my visual observations and the knowledge of their owners. and yes they were stock, and yes they were on 7" tires. btw, gross HP numbers aren't too far off from net HP. I guess I should also believe that a new Mustang GT runs a 15.1 and an LS1 can only run a 13.8 bone stock?

IROCJTOWN

Those aren't magazine times, and your observations and knowledge is wanting is this department. You need to look again at gross hp and net if you are saying they are not far off. I don't think you quite understand this. My friends T/A mirrors those times, as did a majority of stock cars that I have seen run. Before you make yourself look more foolish, go try to launch a car on dinky rims with anceint tires. Even the best of launches will not net you anywhere near a 12 second quarter mile.

Also have you seen what a LS1 will put out in terms of gross hp when its on a stand with no accessories? Before you reply I suggest you go get some real knowledge and take better visual observations, because you are attempt to spread alot of missinformation.

IROCJTOWN

AAR cudas and Challenger T/As came with the 340+6. These were also some of the first cars to use staggered rim sizes. All T/A's and AARs are 1970s, they were not produced after that. They are easy to tell apart with their side exit exhaust, black fiberglass hoods and stripes running along the sides.

R/Ts came standard with a 383 B engine. The 440 RB in both configs were in the line up along with the street hemi.

9D1BURD

I think someone should lock this ,it is obvious a few of us here are to childish to participate in an adult conversation.

I believe you won man, you're in my prayers.

Why would he lie to everyone? Was he just sitting around one day and figure "hey, i think i will make something up and post it on the boards!"

I doubt it, do a search for some of his posts, he's not a "monkie"

IROCJTOWN

So we are supposed to take what you say seriously when your information comes from sounddomain?

Meat Curtains

That site was the first one that popped up in search when I typed in "1970 Challenger weight".

From sounddomain or not, that information is wrong. This is from another site,

1970 Challenger R/T (383) Weight 3660 lb (curb)

So I stand corrected. Even though I am "a big bad red haired red neck thats 21" I'm not too big to admit I'm wrong. I guess I should search a little more through next time, eh?

IROCJTOWN

I didn't say anything about you being a "big bad red haired red neck thats 21". I was just kind of surprised you cited them as a source when they have neon lights inside of a challenger.

You are indeed a big man to be able to admit when you are wrong. Most people can't do that.

Xceleratemaro

lol i was going to post in here any more becouse its realy not that important to me but its good to see when people can get along and work things out! the only reason that i made that comment was becouse you called me a *** hole. SORRY so do you now agree that it was more than possible he could have beat a channanger?/carger/what ever!.....weight has a lot to do with racing

Meat Curtains

Please don't tell me you're serious. I didn't even look at the guys pics, I just saw that and copied. OOwwww do I feel bad now

The only reason the Ahole came out is 'cause you told me to stfu... Things got a little heated in here, I think we both overreacted. Friends?