25THRSS

On my way back from cutting a 1.8 60 foot at the track on street tires and well on my way to an 11 second pass, the time slip came back all screwed up saying I only ran a 14.1 at 53 mph, lol. I was kind of bummed out and was on my way home in the turning lane when I look over and see a bright yellow Dodge Viper. I could't turn the opportunity down, so I quickly switched lanes and was able to pull up beside the viper. He had the targa top off and I asked if he wanted to run and he just smiles. So I think ok I guess he doesn't want to go. All of a sudden at about 35 mph he downshifts and mashes it so ofcourse so do I and when my converter flashes I spin like crazy and he jumped out about half a car on me. Once I hooked and hit second, I pulled him like a rape ape and he shut it down. We both pulled over at a gas station and complimented each other. Turned out to be a "all stock" 94 viper. Pretty cool race that I won't forget any time soon. It's just cool knowing I beat a viper.

TpiTony

Braggin rights, at least you can say ya did just dont tell em what year

subliminal

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25THRSS

ya don't say? Figured someone would throw it out. It's ok. Didn't say which car it was in

EvilCartman

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94's were slow so I'd believe it.

nick418

Engine Size: 488 CID (8.01 liters)
Horsepower: 400 at 4600 RPM
Torque: 465 Foot Pounds at 3600 RPM
Maximum Speed: 165 mph (264 km/h)
Acceleration 0-60: 4.6 sec.
1/4 Mile Time: 12.9 sec @ 113.8 mph


LOL cartman your telling me thats slow? It would beat the hell outta any 3rd gen and Lt1 Corvette and also it would be hella of a race with a Ls1 Corvette (stock vs Stock)

I think that has a higher MPH then then the new C6 Vette ( was a 112mph in MT)

I do belive you, cuz anythin can happen when you race. So good kill

EvilCartman

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The early Vipers were slow Low 13's compaired to when they finally got some really good power running in the 12's.

25THRSS

I ran a heck of a lot better at the track than a 12.9 and that was on my regular street tires too. This was from a roll also. He absolutely refused to race me from a dig. I think the Mustang GT owner there who I just got done raping might have scared him away from it.

The Doc

So 25THRSS, which car were you in? You've got an LS1 haven't you?

383backinblack

maybe a 98 vette lol 12.6-12.7 arent unusual around here for a new c5 at new england dragway

12.2-12.5 for a z06

FLYNLOW92rs

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Yeah guys, he drives a 4th Gen with an LS1 that isn't stock, I believe it....

Always fun to kill a higher priced car.......

I took down a $42,000 Vette, and damn did it feel good.......nice kill 25thRS....:hail:

nick418

Are you sure man? THe New C6 ran just a 12.7, I thought 98s ran around low 13s

86'Bowtie

Tried racing an 04' Viper, but he turned off thr exit ramp...figures!
I guess my car looks that intimidating.DUECE

FLYNLOW92rs

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04' Viper

500/500/500

383backinblack

98's were the slower than more recent c5's

yes im positive

86'Bowtie

...

Orr89RocZ

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cubes/hp/torque

Marc 85Z28

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That makes more sense. So he intentionally made a post about beating a Viper with a sig only including a bolt-on L03... Then he wonders why someone calls BS? :nono:

MdFormula350

yeah, he posted a track thread on his ls1 damn its quick.

stu

Nice kill.

None of the Viper guys that come to my track can even drive. The only ones I've even seen go lower than a 14.00 were modded. Even the guy with the newest version doesn't launch it, and runs low 14s as a result.

Nic

He's an engineering student at VCU. I've seen him around campus a few times recently, but haven't gotten a chance to play yet That's one nice looking Viper though.

25THRSS

Hey Nic, when you see him and get the chance to talk, ask him about the guy he raced in the Navy blue metallic camaro Z28 that he talked to at the gas station afterwards. Ask him if Z20ATE U rings a bell It's definitaly nice and I wouldn't mind driving it, but it was the first time I have seen one really up close in person and it actually sort of looked cheaply made, but don't get me wrong, it's badass and has a sound of it's own.

Nic

I'll try to catch up with him. I usually see him when he's either driving by or I'm driving by. A friend of mine has a hennessey 550 and I agree, they're cheaply made.

Marc 85Z28

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Viper's cheaply made? Coming from both a 3rd gen Camaro owner and a (former) Fox Mustang owner? What's the world coming to?

25THRSS

You'de just have to look one over closely to understand.

Nic

I agree. Also, never said 80's model domestics were put together very well either. I'll keep my '02 GT

Marc 85Z28

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What are you comparing the quality against then? And what do you feel is sub-par? Maybe the updates they made from the old RT-10 to the newer RT-10 and GTS were more substantial than I thought.

I drove a 00 GTS that was traded in at the dealer I work for. Body panels straight with near perfect gaps. Interior materials and options were what you would expect for the car intended purpose. Drivetrain worked very well I was amazed by the power - for a factory car. I hear the newer generation Viper's are nicer...

koll

im sorry but

rape ape ?

Marc 85Z28

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He meant raped ape. Its slang for very fast. Go stick yours in an ape. Watch him run

trans_am_ta_84

guys i hate to tell you this but THE fastest production car is a viper that runs 12.8, it was on a car and driver television special on thanksgiving last year. until the vipers came out the shelby cobra was still the fastest production car, the vipers came out and they are the new fastest production car at 12.8 stock. any corvette that is running under that is moded. vette's have a 1/4 mile time of low 13's and the camaro's,trans ams are like .1 or .2 slower. even cars like the wrx sti and the lancer evo would beat or hang right with the vette. i like gm the best but i don't think vette's are that great. if your going for speed why spend 50,000 on a vette while you could spend 34,000 on a camaro or ta, but then again you can't buy them anymore so.. i guess i can't really ask that question.

25THRSS

uhhhh you actually take car and driver as gospel??? I think it was either GMHTP or CHP that just recently tested a brand new stock Z06 and was able to pull of an 11.9 with the thing.

stu

I thought that the Viper wasn't technically a production vehicle because the numbers produced each year were too low.

25THRSS

The viper is most definitely a production vehicle and Dodge produces quite a few of them every year actually.

383backinblack

z06's with average drivers run 12.2-12.4 CONSISTANTLY

excellent drivers hit 11's with them routinely

trans_am_ta_84

oh.. well i've never saw that before. never once did i see any place say a vette was in 11's but thats just me. i don't understand how something with 20 more hp can be 2 seconds faster.. just because of weight or gears or what? like i said i'm not a huge vette fan but i'd like to know how it's that much faster then a ls1 camaro or trans am? i have a friend that has a worked ls1 camaro and it pulled a 12.8 at the track. and my sister has a camaro with the ls1 and it didn't impress me all that much.

cgb

Vipers are tempermental sob's...

ESPECIALLY the earlier models. Ask any Viper owner who actually DRIVES / RACES it...

I'm speaking about the first few years of the car...don't have any direct experience with the newer models.


And they are extremely hard to hook....very very tempermental off the line, street tires just make it worse.


I can't speak for C&D or any other year, but bone stock '96 ( hell it mighta been a '95 wasn't my car ) and I mean BONE STOCK w/ less than 10k miles...

I managed to break into the 12's twice in 10 or so runs...that was bogging the thing off the line and shifting alot earlier that I really wanted to.. ( owner in the car with me )


The mph was over 100, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't over 115mph or so...it's been a couple of years.

They are fun..

But the early models...well...getting out and frying ur leg on the sidepipe can make you wanna sell the car...

LOL

f-crazy

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i cant wait to get my motor going...all this fun going on and im missing it...

ill find the link for you guys, but theres a guy on a z06 board that ran a 11.71@117 in a COMPLETLY FACTORY 2004 z06

thats factory tires and everything

Marc 85Z28

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12.8 is about average for the old 400HP RT-10 Vipers. The later 450HP RT-10s and GTS's are easy low 12 second cars, at just under 120mph. The new SRT-10 are capable of high 11s, just over 120.

This 2003 Viper is 100% stock, with only drag radial tires. Absolutely nothing else touched. Driven well

z28z34man

ls1 camaro run 12.9 and the ls1 bird is a bit faster than that

383backinblack

welcome to the world of cars.

the corvette chassis is a composite state of the art piece that is on par with super cars.

the camaro and firebird are both chassis that were almsost entirely designed over 20 years ago...even the 2002 unibody is basically the same, especially the back half as an 82

the corvettes make a little more power, are lighter, stiffer, have far, far, far better suspension, and are far more aerodynamic....have better gearing etc.

theres your answer

i've seen a factory stock 2002 SS run 12.9.....thats the exception not the rule, but it does happen

DuronClocker

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Don't get me wrong, but didn't the LS6'ed Z06s have 405HP? I know I've seen "405HP" stickers on the sides of Z06 cars. That's more than 20hp over an F-body.

Also, Vettes have a better weight distribution because of the rear transaxle as opposed to a forward-mounted transmission with a rear differential. I'm sure the IRS helps them hook a little bit better as well. Not to mention the wider tires (I'm talking stock here) and a few other improvements. Isn't it the Vette that has a floorpan made out of treated *balsa wood* for reduced weight as well?

stu

I'm pretty sure that an IRS helps handling, not launching. Guys who are serious about drag racing switch to a solid axle right? Isn't that one of the many reasons that Cobra Mustangs were a little slower than SS/WS6's in the 1/4?


Oh yeah, I had a run in with a Viper tonight myself. It was pretty sweet.

Lonestar

The Cobra actually held (and still does as far as I know) the quickest Domestic production car with a 0 - 100 and back to 0 in 10 seconds time.

Marc 85Z28

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Don't ever compare a Ford IRS with the Vette's IRS, or any other manufacturers IRS for that matter. Ford copies many ideas from other manufacturers, and never seems to get them right. The Corvette IRS is much better designed, and provides adequate traction capabilities.

Why were the 99-02 Cobras slower than the SS/WS6? Not because of the IRS. Because of the weak engine. They have no torque to begin with, and they had quality control problems, causing the engines to produce power much below advertised levels. They came out with a "fix" for the lack of power problem, but even the fix didn't completely cure the problem. So they threw a supercharger on it.

Lonestar - That 0-100-0 feat was accomplished in just over 14 seconds by the Shelby 427 Cobra. Several production cars can now slaughter that. The new Viper, Z06, several Porsche's, and many other high priced exotics are capable of under 14 second 0-100-0 times.

stu

No, I knew that was the main reason for the slower times on the Cobra. Wasn't there a lip on the intake manifold or something that didn't get machined off for the production version of the motor?

ljnowell

I love how everyone here badmouths the cobra. A car that would kick the *** out of every thirdgen produced. You know it is OK to admit that there are better cars out there that arent made by GM!

383backinblack

cobra's are POS's

IRS SUCKS......even for road racing cobras are FAR too heavy to be any good.....it is AWFUL for traction, and will break if you apply any power to it

secondly, 380 hp (flywheel) is a disgusting underachievment for a supercharged v8.

thirdly, they dont beat my third gen.....and never will.

stu

jocww

right your the kinda person that makes us all look bad. stock for stock it willb eat even the firehawk and tta. if the cobra puts on smaller pullies and new chip and slicks all cheaper than your mods it will wipe you off your legs faster thank jackie chan.
jon

383backinblack

lol tell that to the few dozen who frequent the track

i make everyone look bad??

hows that?

by having a non-rusty, non-stock, non-v6 third gen that runs 11's?

ya i can see how that would **** on everyone's parade.

if you think the cobra is some sort of automotive engineering achievement, then you have problems and your in the wrong hobby.

the 2003 cobra has:

IDENTICAL chassis since 1979 (wow killer engineering) all suspension components interchange

a blown mod motor that makes less power than a N/A ls6

weak rear end/irs

its heavy as hell

explain to me what makes that impressive?