Speedgraphic

I had a little fun on the way to work this morning.

My car is a cosmetically restored '90 RS Vert. It has the LO3 and the 700-R4. I've been all the way through the suspension with upgrades and she handles like a dream. Enginewise I haven't done a lot. I did a complete upgrade to the exhaust - Hedman Headers into a Low Restriction Cat into a SS Banks Stinger Catback. I had plans to do other stuff to the motor but after fighting to get the old block to give up the manifolds for a couple of days I came to the conclusion that everything on that motor had been there for fifteen years and as long as it ran fine I should leave well enough alone. I then began planning to acquire a block and start from scratch on the LO3's replacement... The only other mod done to my LO3 was a K&N Airfilter.

I try to avoid street racing. I really do... In my younger days I would race but never in the county where I lived...

This morning when I started out for work I encountered the musdang. If a musdang (I'm spelling it that way on purpose!) can be described as pretty this one would. It was a triple black convertible with tinted windows. Not the current Retro model but late in the previous generation. Very large very shiny but not chrome rims with tires that were a bit biger than mine! I could not see the driver b/c of the tint.

We pulled up to the last redlight leaving the city limits and I thought - "Oh Crap! I don't want to get into anything this morning." There we sat - the classic stand off Musdang VS Camaro... I really expected the Musdang would kick my hiney and had determined not to get into a race especially not right there at home.

Just before the light turned green a pickup truck made a right turn into my lane ahead of me. He got about 1/8 mile down the road when the light turned green. The driver in the Musdang had decided to "Mess with me." He came off the clutch and wound it out - sounding off his pipes. When I heard him reach about max RPM I still had not decided to run but we were neck and neck and I was turing about 2000 RPM I thought to myself "I'm not putting up with this sh_t! so I just floored it! Before the "driver" in the 'stang whose motor was screaming could find another cog I had a half a length and pulling away. By the time we caught the pickup truck I had a full length but was not comfortable enough to make the lane change. I had to brake but being as my top was down I was able to make a very definite "gotcha" gesture as the musdang went on by... Within about a 1/4 mile traffic slowed the stang and I managed to get in front. He/she got behind me and had to listen to the ole Banks Catback all the way into the next town (about ten miles). I thought to my self "you got lucky." Had we run for a longer distance the 'stang would have had the advantage."

At the edge of town he/she turned off and I went a little farther down and turned. I was siting at a stop sign waiting for a chance to cross whe who should come by but that same musdang. I noted the Cobra on the side and though "yeah you did get lucky." Well, the driver turned into the street in front of me real slow so I would be right behind going down the street. I guess they wanted a re-match. When I saw the rear end squat I nailed the throttle and as the stang went through three gear changes I dang near shoved my front spoiler under the musdang! I had to back off twice to keep from hitting! Maybe it wasn't a fluke!

We were of course in the realm where the LO3 performs. It has a lot of low end torque but gets a bit breathless above seventy.

At any rate, I sent a Musdang off to work after having started the day off all wrong.

The last thing I noticed before I had to turn off was that in the very center of the back window was a FOR SALE sign. It must have happened before!

Speedy

TBI92Camaro

Hmmmm...maybe a V6? Hell, theres no way you played with a GT or even a real Cobra.....99-04 GT's run mid-low 14's stock.....an auto 'vert usually runs a mid 14 pretty easily...

If it was a true 03-04 Cobra, they run low low 13's/high 12's in stock trim and thats 'vert too.....

Sounds like a V6 with a Cobra bumper posing....in any case good win

Speedgraphic

I really don't know what was under the hood. You know the Musdang Sound... It sounded quite capable.

Both times I really figured on getting my butt waxed! If they were posing they really should not have tried showing out!

It was fun but I will try to not do it again. You can get in some SERIOUS trouble if caught racing on the street!

Speedy

ShiftyCapone

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Nice story. It sounds like you ran an auto 5.0. They are considerable slower than the T5 cars. I doubt it was a cobra but just another person who dawned the logos. It also sounds like you were the better driver.

crazy3rdgen

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man why he throw cobra symbols on his gt lol, sounds awsome, good work man

25thmustang

Im not sure, the story mentioned the Mustang driver letting off the clutch and shifting gears, making it a stick.

I dont doubt the race as I recently had an encounter with a MUCH faster car, and held him off as well. In either case, nice run and good idea avoiding street racing!

TBI92Camaro

Shifty he mentioned it was a neer style, the previous one from the '05's A.K.A 99-04's....they puttin 5.0's n them in your area ...if so, Id like to go on and purchase one

stu

Why can't anyone just spell it M U S T A N G? What's so hard?

CaptPicardsZ28

Cuz if we did you wouldnt be able to bring up your post count on something so stupid now would ya?

stu

I just never see anyone try and make stupid spellings for Camaro. Are there even any?

CaptPicardsZ28

Camero? Cumero? How's that....

Speedgraphic

I mispell Musdang because I want to. I don't like 'em. The mispelling is one manifestation of that. I also spell their manufacturer's name FURD because it rhymes with Turd!

Actually, this is very hard for me to admit, I do like the design of the new mustang (There, now are ya happy?). They almost got it right. It looks great until you get to close to the very back end and there - well all the goodness ends...

While I am admitting hard things - I also like the looks of the new generation of the Ford P/U better than I do the chevy. I wouldn't own one but I like the look better. All of the new designs(by all makers) that have come out since the Dodge HAWG in the mid '90's have gotten uglier and uglier.

At this point there is probably not a car (or truck) in current production that I would purchase. They all look alike and they are all overpriced - so I'll just keep re-building the three chevy's that I own and keep pushing them down the road.

Speedy

25thmustang

An LO3 driving hating on Mustangs... wonder why that would be!

That would be like me only owning my 4cyl and ragging on Camaros or Firebirds, calling them, Crapmaros and Fireturds. I find its the slow guys who seem to have no respect for other, usually faster cars. Typical brand loyal ignorance shines through...

Ill say it again, congrats on beating a bad driver, dont expect to beat many if any more Mustangs in your near future!

ShiftyCapone

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I was under the impression he raced a old fox body. If he ran a '96 or '97 GT than his story makes evern more sense. Those stangs were in LO3 territory.

Sidewayz28

probably a v6 ... no way u woulda beat a cobra hesa poser feel bad for that loser....congrats either way

87TPI350KID

Sorry, I got to put it up

Even an Auto, Vert GT can run high 14's. Thats 5 spd 305 TPI territory. Even if he screwed up shifing, Im sure he could manage high 15's.. which is still a tad faster than an L03.

Regardless.. a kill is a kill

Speedgraphic

My car was never intended to be a world beater. I re-built it to be a cruiser. For the most part that's what the third gen verts were. They look good and they have enough performance to be fun.

25thmusdang is right. I won't be beating many more musdangs in my future cuz I really am going to try to NOT race on the streets. It was D U M B - but it was fun too...

Completely ignoring brand here's what happned.

One guy is heading to work minding his own business and not looking for any trouble. Another guy pulls up in what he thinks is the faster car and starts messing with the guy who really just wants to be left alone. The guy wanting to be left alone gets anoyed and embarasses the showoff. Brand doesn't matter. It could have been a Hundai and a Kia...

Both times I ran with this guy I was figuring on getting beat. My attitude was he might embarass me but it's not going to come cheap. I was lucky, or skillful, or whatever. The result was that the showoff got his azz handed to him twice in the same 1/2 hour...

Speedy

Speedgraphic

Guys,
I have seen 25thmusdang here before. All he wants to do is just start some flaming crap. Don't take the bait (like I did this morning) Just ignore his azz.

He drives a Furd. How smart could he be?

stu

He's a way better member than you are, has relevant information, and I totally agree with his post. Anyone who takes the time to mispell a cars name just because they don't like that car, shows what a true clown they are. I hate when people try to be witty by incorporating their opinions into stories. No one cares, few agree. How about that for flame bait?

ShiftyCapone

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I beg to differ. He has never baited anyone on my boards. He is an extremely valuable contributor to TGO. He knows the mustang crowd better than most on this board and he tells us what to look for as well as what can and can't be done to our largest domestic competitor. I don't see any bait in his posts. He was merely defending the brand of his car.

I wouldn't be so quick to call BS on his story. We don't even know what year mustang for sure he was racing. If it was an early 4.6 GT car than it is completely legit to believe that his LO3 could hang/beat it. I was always able to hang even with early 4.6 cars in my LO3.

Speedgraphic

Shiftycapone, I stand corrected. It has been some time since I lurked around the racing section of TGO and I probably got him confused with someone else. It did appear that he was trying to start the flames and I was hoping to head that off. Lets not go there.

25thmustang - if I misjudged you and by what shiftycapone said I might have, then I apologize. Like I said before - lets not go there.

Speedy

ShiftyCapone

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No harm done at all

Sidewayz28

not everyone hates "mustdangs" as you... i like fox bodies just as much as f bodies....i was looking for a stang before i got my camaro...as far as im concerned they are easy,cheap to make 12 second cars....and thats nothing to joke about

Gr89RS

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It's not unheard of for a stock L03 to pull a mid-high 15.

25thmustang

No bait, as I agree with your kill and your post, but when someone comes on ragging on a company, and a car (I dont usually care what it is) it is annoying. Brand loyalty no matter who its for is just ignorance in the worst way. I personally defend any car that gets ragged on, merely because you dont own one, so how can you have any valid opinion on it, other than random guesses.

I wont start anything, as I rarely try to, its the internet. If you dont like Ford, oh well, but the pathetic attempts to make the company and car look bad by misspelling the name looks childish.

As far as valuable member, I dont own a thirdgen therefore cant really comment on what they run, but everyone else can. I bring Mustang knowledge. Sure that sounds dumb, but I can assure you I have owned, driven, and been around enough Mustangs to have some good info on them!

Speedgraphic

25thmustang,

Thanks for the constructive criticism. It was well taken.

You might note that I say some good things about Fords in one of the posts above.

My brand loyalty has gone out the window over the past couple years. I think the abuse of the GTO name by GM really tore it with me. The car has some nice hardware, but until I see those three little letters on the side I can't tell the diffrence between the GTO and a Bonneville... At this point I would be willing to give any car a chance if I were in a position where I was needing to buy... Heck, with only a few exceptions they all look the same anyway.

You guys don't like the misspelling of your car's name - it's all in fun, and being posted on a site for GM-Fbody enthusiasts was directed toward those folks and really not meant to be offensive to others... I guess it's a PC world and nobody can have any fun anymore without worry of offending others. I try to be sensitive to that, and if I were on a Mustang site I would be respectful.

Anyway, It's all in fun!

Speedy

25thmustang

Thats the only reason I bring stuff like that up, is because on the Mustang sites I back the Fbodies more than most would think. I know enough by being here and on Fbody.com that I can honestly stick up for cars that deserve it! I think people mispelling names just shows childish behavior, and can make that person look like he knows nothing about the car and just rags on it because he doesnt like it.

In the end no hamr no foul, its all just internet talk anyway!

At least your safe about the racing, and know what the other car should be capable of!

rocluvr0013

Wasnt it 95 or 96 that they still had 5.0 engines in the new bodies?
Yeah i want to say its 95 my friend has a 95 mustang cobra WITH THE 5.0 and new body style.

I apologise if this has already been said but you guys just started bull****ting and i didnt feel like reading it all...

kairles

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I know for sure 94 was the first year of the make over and still had the 5 liter I think in 95 was the last year of the 5 liter but not sure

Sidewayz28

from what ive heard 93' was the last year for true 5.0 engines...but thats just what i heard

todd200

95 was the last year of the 5.0.

87TPI350KID

Although the 'SN95' stangs were considerably slower.

urbanhunter44

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yeah 94 and 95 both had 302s. They are recognized by the "5.0" badge on their backsides, i believe.

and yeah, the 4.6s after them were total dogs compared to those 5.0s.. which weren't even all that fast.

TBI92Camaro

The 5.0's last year was 95...it stayed 2 years in the SN95 bodystyle....then in 96 it got the 4.6L NPI motor and the taillights are vertical as opposed to 5.0's with the horizontal taillights. The 94-95's are only slower because they weight more, exact same motors. In any case, theres alot of disagreement with Ford going to the Mod motor as they could have odne like GM and stayed Pushrod power and made significant advances in power......a blown 302 or 351 from the factory

I dont have brand loyalty much anymore, though I do side more with GM. A year ago I would have been hating on Mustangs liek crazy and gawked at the idea of ever owning one but after last season getting my *** handed to me by so many 5.0's and their mods were "exhaust and gears", time to try it out myself. Its amazing what simple mods do for these cars, mainly because of being so light and the induction/302's ability to love revving. Also, Ford got a good rear end in the Mustang (8.8) as opposed to the anorexic 7.5's in the F-bodys....mini trucks and sports cars shouldnt have the same axle.