gatoRS92

I have a '92 Camaro RS (305, 700R4, 2.73s) with a dual snorkel, 3'' catback, and about 10* advanced timing. The car has 190k miles on it.

My friend has an '01 Grand Prix GT (3800 auto, about 210 hp) with 55k miles on it. His only mod is a pair of Flowmaster mufflers, everything else is stock.

My friend's mom has a bone stock '05 Mustang (V6 auto) with 20k miles and I think it's rated at about 210 horses.

First race was my RS against my friend, who was driving his mom's Mustang. On the count of three we took off and I instantly got about a car length on him off the line. Once I hit 2nd gear he quickly closed the gap and got his nose even with mine. As I hit 3rd he had his nose out in front, but as we got up around 75 I started to gain a little. We shut it down around 90 and I was in front by half a car length.

Second race was my RS against my friend's Grand Prix. The result was almost exactly the same, except it wasn't quite as close. I had about 1-2 car lengths by the time we slowed down around 90.

Not too bad for a nearly stock LO3 with 190k on it!

superGMman

That's pretty good, sounds like you had some close races which are the best!

Im interested as to how well the person drove the '05 V6(launch), I have no idea how fast they are(auto one's I mean) or to how he should have fared against you.

Good kills.

91ChevyRS

those new v6 Mustangs can move, especially the 5 speed ones.

I gotta hand it to ford on making their V6s actually worthy now. But either way, those two cars you raced are mid to low 15 second cars...thats not bad at all. Good job

gatoRS92

I'm not sure how he launched the Mustang. I'm guessing that he had the traction control on and just punched it from an idle.

I drove the Mustang for a while and it's definately faster than the older V6 Mustangs. I'm not sure if I like the automatic tranny in it. The car seems to be geared very well, but the delay time between shifts at WOT seems a little long, and if you punch it from a roll, the downshift can sometimes take a full second or so before it finally shifts. The car doesn't handle nearly as well as my Camaro, which wasn't really a suprise.

Red1992V6Rs

My friend told me there is no way to turn the traction control off in the new mustangs. You can only do it through the computer. Is that true?

redcamaro1989

those 05 v6 mustangs can haul. at the track like 3 weeks a ago there was a guy runnin a bone stock one with drag radials and ran a 15.1. it was a 5 speed tho. it was only runnin a 16 flat with street tire. it was spinning bad tho

z28z34man

what it take 9 years for the base mustang to catch up with the 96 base f-body.

gatoRS92

Not true. There was a "TCS" button right on the dash, and you could toggle the traction control on or off by pressing it.

Red1992V6Rs

Ok cool. I didn't think it was true anyways.

Nate86

Seems like you should have done better against the Grand Prix. My friend used to have the exact same car ('01 Grand Prix GT 3.8L V6) and every time we raced it was no contest. I would pull 1 to 1½ cars on him off the line and just keep pulling up to about 100. That was when my car was completely stock and had crappy tires. I chalked it up to the GP being a fat pig, and less aerodynamic.

Good kills either way.

urbanhunter44

iTrader: (3)

I've test driven a V6 '05 stang, it actually had some pep for a 6 pack

BigWhiteGTP

GPGT's will do high 15's. Not all, just the properly driven and maintained ones. Chances are your friend doesn't know how to launch it well. Tell him to visit Clubgp.com Aerodynamics play a good part in similarly powered cars. You have 25 more lbs of torque in the car, he has 25 more hp. But the Fbody benefits from low body lines and and rwd weight distribution. So congrats.

Nate86

Yeah, he doesn't really race and it's an auto.

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention that he doesn't have the GP anymore. He drives an '06 G6 now.

BigWhiteGTP

All 97+ Grand Prixs are automatic.

gatoRS92

His Grand Prix is very well maintained and it's a 2-door, if that makes any difference. I'm not sure how much more the 4-doors weigh. He also has a pair of Flowmasters, although that only adds a couple horses. Had the race gone longer, the distance between us would've been greater because I was slowly pulling away when we shut it down at around 85-90.

I'm thinking a nice set of headers will be ordered in the near future, and that will likely be the last performance mod until I do an engine swap. I'm tired of racing my slow car against other slow cars

25thmustang

Umm the 99+ Mustang V6s were decent cars too. My friends went 15.4 bone stock. Heard of some lower 15s with just good air and good driving, and have a video of a 14.8 one with just a catback, and a good driver (cold Atco air).

PHP has been 13.7 all motor (bolt ons and tires) and 12.8 (75 shot I think) in their stick shifted V6! Another company (might even have been them also) went 11s with a blown V6! Definately can be fast cars.

superGMman

Yeah I know a kid with an '05 V6 stang. Pretty impressed for what he got for just under 17k.

He can actually spin the tires(in an automatic) by just punching it, so all in all it's got decent torque for a V6.

vampiroc

you're joking right? 3.8 f-bodies are high 15 second cars with 5-speeds. Magazine tests of a new mustang GT convertible auto was getting 15.2 from bloatertrend. 240 HP 3.9L GM 6s in a base 5th gen camaro will be faster, but I wouldn't say they were lagging behind with the 6s. The 8s are a different story for ford, only the new ones are fast and capable

z28z34man

a well kept 3.8 5 speed in a 4th gen with a good driver is low 15 second car. under perfect conditions with a perfect driver they have been known to hit very high 14s stock

vampiroc

Unicorn races at magic dragstrips are meaningless. On a street race, with two competent drivers, the V6 mustang will pull ahead on the 4th gen every time. You must've missed the part where I said it was an auto convertible stang running the low 15s. A convertible auto V6 4th gen runs high 16s. That prior statement lends credence to a hardtop 5-speed being much quicker.

25thmustang

Same as a 99+ V6 Mustang... so it took 3 years, and Im sure that is exactly what Ford was worried about, beating a V6 Camaro in the 1/4, not outselling it by the tens of thousands.

vampiroc

oh snap

z28z34man

this is what i was referring to 15.1 on drag radials is sad for a 2005

i have raced 2 v6 edge stangs and they where booth blow outs and i am completely stock with subs and i would not consider myself to be a great driver either.

sasser43

Ford isnt oblivious to the fact that there was and still is a street war between the stangs and fbodys. They might have outsold them in general, but you can imagine it was a lot closer race in the sells to people who wanted the cars for a performance purpose. I mean what 16 year old girl and 50 year old with a midlife crisis doesnt want a new mustang?

25thmustang

Hey Ford knows its there but doesnt car as long as they are selling cars. Ford is out to make money end of story. They dont care about a drag war, or they would be making the GTs faster than the LS1s. They want to sell cars and do that extremely well. GM didnt try to do this, and this is why we have NO Fbody anymore. Its coming back yes, but it isnt around now!

gray89vert

iTrader: (3)

Nice kills! I was afraid to race my sisters prix (01 3800 V6 series w/e) but now i know i got the fastest car in my family out of all 7 cars

vampiroc

Fact 1: No one buys a V6 for performance purposes.
Fact 2: Mustangs may have been slower but they had a far broader appeal than 4th gens.
Fact 3: The 05 Mustang has far better build quality than any F-body made, period. Sorry it's true, but my generic motors, oversized cavalier interior in my LS1 is no where near as nice as a new GT interior.
Fact 4: If you are driving a V6 5-speed 05 stang with slicks to a pathetic 15.1, you don't qualify to list your times as credible ones.
Fact 5: 03 Cobras are faster than 02 LS1s stock for stock.
Fact 6: 16 year old girls typically buy jettas, and 50 year old men typically buy corvettes
I don't think any 4.0L V6 mustang owners have anything to fear from a bolt-ons 3.8 4th gen

superGMman

That's a bold statement.
Another Bold statement.

sasser43

good point, cant fault them for success in giving people what they want.

sasser43

Fact 1. Some people do buy V6 for a mild performance car.
Fact 2. Appeal to everyone, but not so much to people that want performance. Which is what i said.
Fact 3. Have you have ever seen a GTA? Its a remarkable machine for its day and the interior is way better than any fox in my opinion.
Fact 4. It made no sense to quote me for that one.
Fact 5. Congratulations, they started beating the fastest fbodys when fbodys were stopped from production. That should make up for the 90s.
Fact 6. Dont lie to yourself. Girls love mustang convertibles and so do old men.

90CamaroTBI

I dont even think a GTAs interior is as nice as the new GT's, it is just very quality looking. You cant really say you lose any money buying a new GT.

superGMman

You lose money buying any car most of the time.

Specially if it's a non-collectable american car.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

The new Mustang has nice interiors? Holy ****. Yes they're nice LOOKING, they're set up nicely but quality? There's just as much plastic as my 4thgen

91ChevyRS

I am not sure I really agree.

The only mustangs I really like are the 03/04 SVT Cobras, and I was actually contemplating on for awhile about getting one as my next car.

However, looking at the interior of the Cobras and an LS1 Trans Am, I have to say that I see myself driving an LS1 Trans Am, ALOT easier.

I drove my friend's LT1, and yes, everything in there is cheap, the amount of plastic is unbelievable, but it was just so damn easy to drive that car it was ridiculous. The new Mustang's interior is nice, but it just doesn't have that "I am a sport's car interior" appeal to me.

That's just me though.