Jammin'Trey

I have open headers and a 1/2 tank of gas, he has a tahoe with 3/4 tank gas. His car is all stock not a thing changed

I have a 5 speed with a newer clutch. he has probably 1 passanger(i have no passengers).


Miles
me-148,xxx
him 110,xxx

TorqueTilla

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if the tahoe has a v8 you'll loose

Jammin'Trey

and he has 4 door ls trim (leather and stuff)..

not sure but I think it would be really close.

mesterz2889

dont those things have governers at like 98 just dont let off til you hit a 100

TorqueTilla

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no offense but thats gonna be one long race

Jix01

5.7 350 in the Tahoe i am going with the Tahoe on this one lol

31BiRd92

I must say I think it would be close or maybe even a win for the 'bird. Yes, the tahoe with a 5.7 would have a large hp advantage, however, at almost twice the weight it helps very little. A 5.7L in 1999 was pushing 255hp. All that power is wasted when having to push a 5400lb vehicle. My dad has a 285hp crate motor in his 4x4 full size chevy truck that weighs in at 5500lbs but Im confident that my 140hp 3.1 is faster in a 1/4 mile.

Jix01

i know but im just saying having owned a 3.1 92 firebird and having rode in a 99 tahoe that those tahoes are heavy as hell but they do get up and go pretty well for an SUV. who knows it might be close but for some reason im still going towards the tahoe lol

vwdave

You both lose.

I learned to drive on a 99 Suburban with a 350, and those things are slower than two old farts having sex. If people are siding with the Tahoe, you already lost.

31BiRd92

considering a stock tahoe would run... oh MAYBE 17.5 with GREAT traction. But they'd have to be lucky just to get it to do that. On a side note, my 3.1 can run faster than my moms '01 cherokee with a 4.0HO auto. about 0-45, no chance in hell of catching it. 45-90, jeeps have no top end whatsoever. Thats why I almost got hit head on trying to pass someone cause the stupid POS wouldnt go with the pedal on the floor.

Fast355

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You are UNDER-ESTIMATING the Vortec 350 in the Tahoe. My 1997 1500 Express Conversion Van with its 350 Vortec/4L60E/3.42 driveline ran 17.1 @ 76 mph in the 1/4 the way it sat. All 6,400 (6,650 with me in it) lbs of it.

I have seen a video of a 350 Vortec Tahoe get the jump on and hold off a TPI 305 Auto until around 70 mph.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...Stock_2896.htm

It took this 1991 Camaro RS 3.1 over 11 seconds to go from 0-60 mph.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IPefbQ457FY

My G1500 Express did the same run in under 10 (60 mph is straight up).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WydwLghk_yw

I'll throw this one in, this is a 1500 cargo van, with nothing in it. Very similar weight to the Tahoe.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qd7OAIATSBQ

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lmao at some of these races in here....

"who would win? 305 tbi vs. geo metro"
3.1 vs. dump truck?
5.7tpi vs. 87 lincoln?
305tbi vs. unicycle with 250lb gorilla?

HeavyMetal350

id take the 87 lincoln. just goin with my gut...

robertfrank

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When I'm done with my Metro, LS1's shouldn't be a problem.

billybird

you sure that was a tpi car....it got killed bad.....that was like tbi power

vwdave

Ive witnessed 03 cobras running mid 14's and slower. Just because a few got beat doesnt mean they all will.

robertfrank

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Noooooooo... that was like weak, untuned up, stock TPI power. lol

31BiRd92

Okay well from what I've personally seen(I know several people who own big, slow tahoes) they are severely slow and not worth anything for racing. However, I think we would all like to know a little more about this LS1 killing metro. I have plans of a fully custom small block festiva. Anything similar in mind?

And as far as Im concerned, comparing ANYTHING to a 305, whether it be tbi or tpi, is a waste of time. Yea, sometimes you have to go with what you got but I personally believe all 305's are junk. If its not a turbo, a high revving chevy 302 or a big bad 350, 383, or BBC its not worth talking about. just my 2 cents



BTW, YTF would you even take a g1500 down the track? Must've just been curious 'cause I see no excitement or joy whatsoever of running low 17's. When your van will do this- http://www.dragtimes.com/images/5089...olet-G-Van.jpg -then it will be worth going down the track.

robertfrank

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A 91 metro with a shortened s10 frame, 4.3 bored .030 over with forged pistons, shot-peened rods vortec heads and cam,1.6 roller tip rockers and balanced crank. With a healthy 150 shot of nitrous. Still trying to figure out what tranny to run. The gearing will also be determined with the tranny used. I was going to use a 350 but there is absolutely no way it will fit in the metro engine bay. the 4.3 has just enough room to run a water pump and maybe an inch of room left with a radiator.

TorqueTilla

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if 305's are junk what makes u think we wana hear about your **** slow 3.1?

Jix01

Hey man theres nothing wrong with the 305's. ive owned a 3.1 5 speed and it was good on gas but i certainly wouldn't really race around in it without it turboed or something.There honestly not that fast but there still nice.My car isn't that fast either but i still have beat many 3.1s no problem.

31BiRd92

I know my 3.1 is junk. I've seen cars sittin in the JY that are faster the way they sat than my car in its current situation. I just think the 305's are crap too. 305 vs 3.1... 305 anyday.. However, 305 against any REAL motor, it doesnt stand a chance. Its near impossible to have a SERIOUS build on a 305. Yeah they have their upgrades, and some can get up in the 350-450 range, but thats not much anymore. And plus to get that 400hp you'd have to spend WAY more $$ imo. Thats all I was trying to say.

chevyracingrox

i've gotta agree with the bird on this one. i have never seen a 305 beat anything with a lot of muscle. and they're obviously not an engine of choice for serious builds. in my opinion it was a waste of time to put the 2.8/3.1 in the camaros just as much as it was the 305.

as for the race. i'm willing to say my stock 2.2L cavalier would beat that thing. so your 2.8 camaro should take care of it as long as your car is running ok.

mesterz2889

so your gonna put a 300hp motor including nitrous in a metro and think it will beat LS1s? i dunno about that i wanna see that thing no doubt it will haul but i still dont know about killing LS1s

TorqueTilla

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i totally agree bird, 305 are deff not the engine you want to be spending alot of money on, but in my case its a decently fast car for me putting nothing but used parts on it. I think ive put about 1500 into it and my best run to date is a 15.1 at 91 mph, i think the last thing im going to do is put 3.73 posi and get into the 14's, then mabbe ill spray the thing into the 13's untill it blows

HeavyMetal350

back to this metro thing.....I'd love to see a 300 hp geo kill a ws6. i believe it could be done with a light weight 300 hp metro ... only prob might be traction... lol i think that would be awesome... POS motorsports.

31BiRd92

Considering what you've got to start with, I guess 15.1 on a 305 isnt too bad with used parts. However, you just have to consider that you could put 1500 in NEW parts on a 350 and probably run 14.5 or better.


You're all worried about the metro's traction but If it had some decent suspension upgrades and good tires it wouldnt be THAT big of a problem. If my buddy can run a 650hp 502 in his CHEVETTE, I see no reason 300 on a metro would be too hard to accomplish.

robertfrank

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I know traction will be an issue. the car is so light I can literally pick up the car and move it around my garage. I was thinking of a 4 link setup. the car will be tubbed and I'm thinking of using a set of 15x8 welds with some MT slicks to put the power down. Would a 600cfm holley be enough? single plane intake or dual maybe?

31BiRd92

I think I'd go with at least 650cfm. I'd say a 600 would choke it down some to say the least. I could be wrong but just my opinion. Couldnt help you on the intake cause I have no clue.

Fast355

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I am so close to 13s in my 310 Vortec TPI (.030" over 305) powered fullsize G20 van I can smell them. I ran a 14.23 @ 96.54 with a tire spinning 2.44s 60' time. I have a 5.94" rod roller cammed 302 Vortec build going togather to replace this engine.

31BiRd92

Im not one to question, but the way I look @ it unless is was a decently modified L98 or a highly modified anything else with a completely gutted interior I dont see low 14's in a G-van. I'd figure you'd need AT LEAST 350rwhp to run that fast. Completely gutted I'd guess you're still at 5000lbs or more. But if you're gunna tell me a bone stock 305(other then overbore) will carry that 6500lb boat to low 14's Ima have to call . At one point we had a G-van with a mild 355 in it and theres no way it would've done better than high 15's. I also find it hard to believe your TPI top end is so strong that you're pulling terrible 2.44 60's and still going 14.23.

The pic of that blue G-van I posted is sittin on like 800rwhp AND a 200 shot of NOS. And it only runs 10's.

And as far as Torque's 15.1, I dont know too much about that motor, I dont even know the engine code on it.

Fast355

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You should do a little research before you run your mouth.

Dave Jarvis' 406 has about 800 FWHP WITH the nitrous. Running 10s vs 13s for the same weight probably takes 2x the power. Its an exponential curve. When you first start trying to go down the track quicker, you see better results with less power, as you get "fast" you need even more power to get the same improvement. It takes a TON more power to gain say a half second on a 12 second car than it does on a 17 second one.

My 310 has 356 RWHP and a flat torque curve.

Details can be found here

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...tpi-310-a.html

310 Specs
.030" over, flattop pistons, total seal rings
Ported 059 casting 305 vortec heads with 1.94/1.60 valves
10.5:1 compression
Custom Reed Hydraulic Roller camshaft
1.6:1 roller rockers
Doug Thorley Tri-Y headers
Dual 2 1/2" exhaust
Ported SDC TPI-Vortec Lower Base
Reworked SLP runners, siamesed
Heavily reworked GM TPI plenum
Stock GM 48mm TPI throttle body with airfoil
7730 ECM running S-AUJP v4 with custom tuning by me

Behind the engine is a nicely built 700r4 with a Yank 2,800 rpm converter that flash stalls about 3,400 rpm.

I recently switched from 3.08 gears down to 3.42s.

Those G-vans aren't nearly as heavy as you think they are. The empty cargo vans are about 4,400 lbs with a full tank of gas. A conversion van probably adds 500 lbs to it. My track runs were made with NO interior in it. Its was a good 1/2 second slower with the full interior in it but I also had 3.08s at the time.

31BiRd92

At some point, wasnt Dave runnin something like a 414 small block? My #'s could be wrong but its relatively close enough. And I hope you're not saying thats FRONT wheel HP. Anyways, not the point of the comment.
My point was about yours. But okay now that theres a little more info on it, I could believe in a 14, maybe 13, second pass. And while we're on subject, If your tq curve resembled anything near my GF's chest, I'd feel kinda sorry for you. I'd hate to have a tq curve that looked like a pair of 42 DD's.
I understand the exponential curve. I understand that an exponential curve keeps top fuel cars from runnin like 2 second 1/4's with the ungodly amount of power they make.

Edit: Im aware he runs a 406 now but at some point it was a 414 wasnt it?

DIGGLER

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i will say a friend of mine has a 4000lb '04 GTO that went high 11's with 360rwhp and a mild launch on 17" et streets.
a van will be a bit less aerodynamic, though.

92RS3.1

31BiRd92
I have no choice but to call on your claim that a stock RS w/3.1 beat an 01 Jeep Cherokee. You'd have to get video proof of that claim. Maybe your thinking of a Jeep Grand Cherokee... Me and my friend both have 96 Jeep Cherokee 2wd's. Both have the 4.0 HO I6. We have raced our own RS's. Mine being a 92 3.1 and his being a 89 2.8. Both got Slaughtered by the torque and pulling power of the Inline 6 motor.

I'm not saying the 4.0's are superb motors, but lets just keep things in a realistic point of view...

I raced a 95 Chevy Stepside Single cab Short Wheelbase, 305 w/4.11 gears. From 0 -80 He only had me by 3/4's of a car length.

Unless it was a Grand Cherokee or the pedal had seized up, there is no way in hell a stock 3.1 would even match a Cherokee 4.0 Stock for Stock, the Cherokee 4.0's are in a league of their own, especially in consideration of stock 3.1's

Sorry to everyone else for having to hear this, but I am very partial to 4.0 XJ's
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hahaha i watched a metro go down the track a few times before. dang thing clocked in at 24.5x just beating the timer (shuts off at 25 seconds). the sad thing was, he ended up winning that night, no wheel spin so he knew exactly what to put for dial in time. nothing like watching the geo go then 12-13 seconds later having another car go and trying to catch it.

Jammin'Trey

Just to let you guysa know I launched him and took it by like a nose length.,