juanillox8

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i came across this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FIC-F...Q5fAccessories

Does anyone has any input in it judging by the vid looks like the fci bosch 3 are the way to go

does anyone know if this video is accurate????

i want them for my 350 mild cam with EBL

Thanks

88gta3508

resellers LIKE Accel, MSD, Fast and almost every other sub Company...
use DELPHI Injectors!!!!!
and mark them UP
22 -24 MAX

juanillox8

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anyone else 2cents?

southbay08

We recommend the bosch lll's. The four spray pattern provides more efficient fuel atomization, and they are extremely reliable.
We carry them with our adapter that makes them plug n play.

budfreak1

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I recommend Bosch III 24's. I bought these when I did my SuperRam install:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24LB-...ts_Accessories

bbtaz97

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not sure what manufacture makes them but some TPI people have used LS1 injectors and a direct swap and they flow about the same but are more reliable for sure.

quick87formula

i used accel and had no problems. when i had a fi setup on my car.

Reid Fleming

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With the Bosch III's, my car idled smoother than it did when it was brand new. It was real noticiable right now.

87CIZARMY

Budfreak, are you satisfied with those? I guess I am specifically asking about the seller. That's a good price! Did he do the modification to make them plug and play for the TPI system?

Thanks!

budfreak1

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Yes, I am totally satisfied with them. No modification was done that I know of, but they slipped right in when I installed my superram and have given me zero issues in the past 5K miles. The seller seems to be a great guy and ships promptly.

InjectorsPlus

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Guys, guys, guys, There's only a few manufacturers of injectors and none of them mentioned in the original post are manufacturers. They are all made by someone else and stickers are put on them. There's no such thing as a "FORD" injector or a "Holley" or whatever.... they are all OEMs of basic, off the shelf stuff.

The link to the FIC injectors are rebuilt Bosch III injectors. FIC does a good job. I agree with SB that the Bosch III are the way to go for your application.

I like to go a little larger on the injector, not too large to throw off the tune at open loop, but slightly larger to support future modifications. Your car stock is 22, so 24 isn't so far off to distort the tune but gives you some room for basic modifications.

Any of those injectors will work, but I will give the same price as the link and a LIFETIME WARRANTY and expert tech support if you need it. (shameless plug I know)

I really get a bug up my a** about these branded injectors (not FIC as they are rebuilds but the rest), all you're going to do is pay more for a sticker. One of my competitors sells injectors for $50 more because they have their sticker on it, another is $75 more because they purchased a fancy laser engraving machine and etch their name into it.

If that kind of thing is worth the money, go for it. Personally, I'd just prefer to say these are Bosch, Seimans, Delphi, Lucas, Denso, whatever, and sell them cheaper. You don't need to pay for my laser engraving machine.

InjectorsPlus

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Isn't that a GREAT intake? I had one on my second motor...I loved it!

budfreak1

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The ones I listed are not rebranded and are listed as what they are and have a LIFETIME WARRANTY. Can you beat $80 for 8 bosch III 24 lb. injectors? BTW, not trying to be a dick, just pointing out a fact.

budfreak1

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Yep, I love my SuperRam. One of the best mods I will probably ever do beside a bigger cam with full roller train (coming soon).

InjectorsPlus

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$80? Are they being rebuilt in someone's kitchen sink? Are they using quality parts? Do they test them? Are they flow matched (probably the most important aspect of injectors)

Where did the cores come from? Are they crap junkyard cores? I've seen some garbage go out I wouldn't touch. I don't have enough information to tell you yes or no.

Tell ya what, if they are a quality rebuild, I'll buy them all day long for $10 an injector.

If something is that cheap, I have to wonder why. Seriously. The cores alone these days are just about that. If someone to do business at a loss, let them.

So to answer your question, without seeing them, testing them, and validating them, I don't know.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get- Warren Buffet.

budfreak1

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Look for yourself: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24LB-...ts_Accessories

Myself and 1 other person I know over on firebirdnation.com have bought them and they all ohm'd out perfectly and are performing flawlessly. Plus they have a lifetime warranty.

irocuroc

stay away from that guy, i bought a set to see, i have 2 leakers out of 8, he said they are warranty for life. hes sending more to me i believe these are just washed with new o rings

chevelle600

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i bought 2 sets of Bosch III from Fuel Injector Connection. a set of 19lb injectors on my 350 with tpi and a mild cam. no problems, never ran lean. and a set of 30lb for my 350 with HSR. love both

InjectorsPlus

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Ok, so I ordered a set of these. We'll see what they look like when I get them.

My initial findings are these cores are likely what is referred to as "KATRINA CORES"... basically cores that have been submerged under salt water or have otherwise been determined "unusable"..

These cores cost wholesale about 50 cents to $1.50. The cores I use, and I'm sure SB uses, are multiple times that amount. And there is a reason for that. We're not just getting ripped off, we pay for a quality core to put out a quality product. At the costs of our cores alone, I'd be losing money selling them at $80 a set. Ebay gets 10% so that's $72 he gets to keep.

So there is no way to get a quality core for that money.

Second, I'd like to point out, that EBAY FEEDBACK is done right away, as an initial, usually knee jerk reaction. The question is how are these parts down the road. Yes, lifetime warranty but do you want to do the work twice.

Third, they aren't flow matched, which is critical in how the engine runs.

So I'll get them, flow test and video them, post pictures, dis-assemble them, take pictures, and give what I hope is an honest appraisal of what these are all about. As much as you can trust a competitor. I expect that to be an issue.

Sometimes, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get....Warren Buffet

texascat2

Bosch III's $149.95 set of 8. Three year warranty. 22#ers. Worked flawlessly from and after installation!!

87IROCZ350TPI

I'm pretty sure SouthBay manufactures their own, they are extremely pleasant to deal with as well. Bought a set of bosch 3's from them a while back and just got around to installing the engine with the injectors in it. I'll give you an update after I put a few miles on it.

InjectorsPlus

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Nobody manufacturers their own. Not me, not SB, not FIC, not anyone. See my post a few up, there's only a few manufacturers, everyone else puts their name on them. We are all either selling new, or rebuilding. We are not manufacturing.

Now in the case where we are taking new injectors and modifying them, that is a different issue. For example, I'm doing injectors for a large and well known performance shop in the Harley Davidson space. He can not get a specific injector, so we "made them" using a stock injector as a base. I do it for the LSX engines, I do it for Hond, getting the bikes up to 200 HP! I also do Jet Skis, outboards, motorcyces, Polaris RZRs, anything with an injected motor.

So as far as coming close to manufacturing, modifying a brand new injector is as close as it gets. And we do that.

87IROCZ350TPI

Sorry, I meant the modification. My mistake, I see what you were saying.

InjectorsPlus

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NP! Where are you in NJ?

87IROCZ350TPI

I'm in Essex county (northern NJ)

InjectorsPlus

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I'm not far, in Bergen county. Is this a show car, or a DD?

87IROCZ350TPI

Just a daily driver that I decided to restore and improve upon. I've had it for over ten years and don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon, so when something breaks, I spend a few extra bucks(within reason) to get a better version of the part. Last year the engine seized, so I picked up a reman. long block and started over from there. Just moderately upgraded a handful of things among which were the injectors. I am literally just finishing the install and will be driving it again by next week.

Nelz

Are you sure these are Katrina injectors?

budfreak1

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I've had my supposed "Katrina" injectors that I got for $80 bucks in for almost 7K miles now and I have not one complaint. It runs perfect, idles smooth and gets decent MPG.

InjectorsPlus

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What I am saying is you can't buy good quality cores and sell injectors and make any money. He's getting $9 after Ebay expenses. There's not a lot there to run a business and make money. Would you do this much work for $20? I wouldn't.

What I am saying is there's cores out there for $.50-1.50 and you get what you pay for. I will not use those cores, there's a reason they are cheap.

I have the injectors in my possession, I will flow and disassemble them and take pictures, I'll let you know what I find.

If I have learned ANYTHING over the years, if something is too good to be true, it probably is.

Let me dig into these, and I'll let you know.

xch3no2

If you want them new, buy them new, everything else is a crapshoot till tested by a reliable, independent party.

I do trust Whichunter..I watched that company grow..Seattle Boy ya know.

Nelz

Hey InjectorsPlus, how are the test going?

85Z28NOS

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Hey, I found another seller on ebay listing 19lbs & 30lbs injectors for a starting price of $1( of coarse they are selling for $50-$120 a set). Bought a pair of 30lbs for $75 just to try out. They appear good and came with a flow sheet, will install soon and see.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

InjectorsPlus

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Looking for the time. Soon. It's not a real big priority.

InjectorsPlus

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Other then some of the cores being pitted, it looks better than the other guy. Because of the pitting even after cleaning, I have to again question the origin of the core, however, on the surface, it seems he spends some time on them to get them right. I'll get out of the business before working for that little money, but that's me I like to eat...

85Z28NOS

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forgot to mention the 30lbs injectors are seimens deka, how are these injectors compared to the bosch design? The injectors I recieved have no marks on the body, figured for that price was worth a shot, cant get used untested for that much money. Here is the link to those.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

bravo91bird

I have accel 30#/hr injectors I installed with edelbrock hi-flow base, AS&M large tube runners and 58mm professional products TB. Works great!

InjectorsPlus

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OK. Percision. The guy owns a junkyard and pulls the cores out as cars come in. Nothing wrong with that. He does a decent job of rebuilding.

Drawbacks: 1. Ebay only
2. No inventory. He pulls them as he gets them so applications are hit and miss.

InjectorsPlus

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Since you asked...

OK, Initial findings. Video and pictures to follow when I have some time:

1. Junk cores. I would never use them.
2. I ordered a set of 6 and one was dead out of the box.
3. None of these sprayed the same. to say they are not even CLOSE to flow matched would be an understatement as much as 5% off. Ours are 100% dead on.
4. Cheap chinese parts for the rebuild that are not Alcohol compliant. This will cause problems in areas with E85 and such.
5. The cheap chinese baskets are not pressed in they are hammered in. For those of you who have used a press, you know what I mean. A sledgehammer is no substitute for a press.
6. basically one of the worst rebuilds I ever saw.
7. All the seats were damaged from banging in the filters.
8. Not using Viton o-rings, I have no idea what they are. Fuel can eat cheap materials.

They were built cheap to sell cheap.

Now, compared to Percision products, I have seen them, has these hands down. They don't do a bad job if he happens to have what you need when you need it and you don't need any support. It's "part time" for him, he's not trying to eat off it. Pocket money. He's not modifying B-3s or anything special, but it's a decent job.

So basically, IMO, you get what you pay for once again. I say this all the time, if I wouldn't put these in my car. I wouldn't put them in yours. This is not the quality product that we deliver to our customers.

So, if you're cheap and satisfied with cheap junk, these are for you.

budfreak1

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I don't know if it's just me or not, but honestly......I'm not taking your word for anything injectorsplus. You have nothing to lose in this thread and everything to gain by making your competition look bad since you are obviously in the business of selling injectors and I'm sure you'd like to shut down any competition you can in these tough times. How am I to believe you didn't mess them up a little yourself to make them look bad or substitute in some other injectors you had laying around for the videos and pictures?
I'm just saying, I know how things can be in the business world and the lengths people will go to. I don't know you or anything about your business or your practices so why should I just believe it because you say so? Should I jump off a cliff because you advise me that I'll land just fine at the bottom?
Bottom line is this for me: I bought them, they were shipped promptly, none of them had any suspicous marks on them, they all ohm'd out perfectly, and they now have 8K miles on them with no detectable problems. I by no means am a rich man and I had to do my build on a very tight budget and these worked perfect for me. Sorry if that makes me lower class than you or just cheap in your eyes.

InjectorsPlus

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I pretty much expected this reply short of the fact of being called a liar and a thief. I can assure you i did NOTHING except opened the box and put the injectors on the flow bench. You can choose to believe me or not. I did say in this thread that Precision does a pretty decent job, as does FIC and even South Bay. But you have to ask yourself, if somebody is so far under market price of what it takes to do a good job, why? I'm just explaining why, up to you if you believe it or not.

This post could have been made prior to my findings and still would have been valid. Not quite sure why you waited until after. Not sure why you're taking it so personally. The old adage "you get what you pay for" still holds true.

GatorIsaac

That other person would be me. The injectors were shipped immediately, ohmed out perfectly (all identical), and have been operating flawlessly for 2,500 miles now. With all this perfection AND an $870 price tag, no sane person would buy elsewhere!

I have yet to rechip the car to match the injectors but have already noted a tremendous increase in power and a 2mpg improvement in economy.

budfreak1

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The only part of this I take even remotely personal is at the end of your post where you stated: "So, if you're cheap and satisfied with cheap junk, these are for you". Like I said, I am on a very tight budget with bills to pay and mouths to feed and I don't appreciate a statement like that just because I can't afford to buy the very best thing out there.
As for the rest, I am simply stating things as I see them through my eyes. I run an internet business that deals with a very small market and I've seen the cut throat tactics that other businesses will use to shut you down or make you look bad when your offering a product for cheaper than them or that is superior. So sorry, but I'm not going to take another companies word against a competing company because I know better than to do so. If you were an independent party it would be a different story.
I didn't post sooner because I was waiting to see what you had to say about the injectors. Sure enough, you came on and said EXACTLY what I suspected you would.

budfreak1

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Nice to see you Gator!
Glad to hear the car is running well. I think you made a typo in your post about the price of the injectors.

jordanandrewkay

The first thing you learn in school (HCC) is that it is unprofessional to basically talk trash about another shop or mechanic. and it makes yourself look bad.
im gonna go by what peoples experience have been with that product. no matter what any company says about their own product.

InjectorsPlus

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Sorry you took it personally, it wasn't aimed at you.

There's a reason people use Mobil 1 for about $6 a quart and there's a reason people use Walmart oil for $1 a quart - to each his own.

87IROCZ350TPI

Sounds like you really f***** up here, injectorsplus. Why would you possibly insult your customer base like this. You're trying to sell a product yet you are dismissive and arrogant when it comes to the very people you are trying to sell to. And in budfreak1's case, outright rude. I for one will certainly NOT be using your service in the future. I have had a great experience with SouthBay and this thread has helped me make up my mind about weather or not you deserve a chance with my other vehicles. SouthBay will be getting my business. They are respectful to their customers, but also to their competition. Take a lesson.

InjectorsPlus

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I think you mis interpreted my intent.

The basis of the claim was, that it is the SAME PRODUCT for $80 as we sell for $180.

The point of my post here is that it is not the same product.

It's harbor freight vs. Snap on.

The quality of the products put out by the people I mention, FIC, SB, myself, even Percsion, are good parts.

When my product is being compared to junk, I have a responsibility to differentiate.

If you all don't agree, I'm fine with that. But cheap is cheap for a reason.

InjectorsPlus

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Those are Bosch, not Seimans.

InjectorsPlus

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How am I insulting anyone? Seriously.....

Someone said they can get "competitive" injectors cheap, and they can't I pointed that out. And rather than just shoot my mouth off talking about how there is a difference, no one would listen. So I went the next step, and PROVED it. Sorry if someone's feelings got hurt, but it is what it is.

The quality of that product is awful. If you want to buy them, fine. Just know what you're buying.

What was rude, if we want to go there, is Budfreak saying "can you sell for $10 an injector"....

So my response is if I wanted to put out a POS product like that, yes I could. If that insults anyone, then they need to get a grip on reality.

And if you want to get into "insulting a customer base" anyone who has dealt with me knows that's just not true. Now as to THIS specific customer base, I was warned by someone if I spend money here there's a "bunch of kids who don't know what they are doing".... Well, there are people here who are brilliant. Anethesis, RBOB, and others I have spoken to. Then there are other people who buy runners, bases, 58MM Throttle boddies, and 30 LB injectors who shouldn't be turning a wrench. I have posted a ton of good information here and have spent countless hours helping people in PM, phone, and in threads.

You like these other vendors so much, call them and ask them to help work through your build. Apparently, that has no value either. Experience, knowledge, hands on experience, and picking up the phone don't count, just get it cheap.