Its all that torque my third gen brotha! I freakin love how torquey they are!

 

I hate how heavy the car is

I hate how there put off as white trash cars

I hate the motor compartment being all cramped up

and of course some other things, but i still cant stop loving the hell out of my IROC, dont mind the stiff ride guys, just know that its all for handling.

SORRY NO CUPHOLDERS GUYS BUT OUR CARS WERE BUILT BEFORE WOMEN TOOK OVER CARS 2.

 

Well from the looks of it, its not going to hold HUGE cups..lol...maybe a can or like a 20 oz. cup. I think if you have a can or cup in it, that yes, it could potentially get in the way of your radio. You may need to move the cup to change your station, or CD. BUT having to simply just move the cup to do that...is fine with me..lol.

 

wow...this guy is hardcore..lol...i wished i was THAT bad ***

 

I personally think there lots of room in the engine bay once opened up a little, get rid of some of the worthless parts and you'll see things how i do.

Compare them to an LT1/LS1 fourth gen. lol

 

true, the LT1 harness is the biggest pain in the ***

 

the one thing i hate the most is.... there is not enough choices of bolt on rims in the 17+ sizes for our cars. you would think more companies could make 17x9, 18x9, 18x10 and so on rims for our cars. i know now of only one set of bolt on, non custom made 18 inch rims. but other than that. everything else with our cars is fixable. need more power, build a better engine. need to handle better, pick up you latest mag filled with suspension parts. and 1 other think that bugs....is the worlds smallest front disc brake setup the factory gave us. anything over 80mph blunt stop and you loose your teeth from the rotor shake. ok.....i am done

 

The sterotypes associated w/ a 3rd gen is what gets me.

 

That's really the only thing that REALLY irritates me. When ppl call me a red--Neck and ****. I hate that.

 

what do i hate about my car....?

the fact my tpi build wont run right and everything is brand new

 

The thing i hate is that i only have two... at lunch today i saw a spotless beautiful blue RS out for a run on the main drag through town and was thinking thank God it is time to get these cars out, winter is pretty long in NW PA

As far as what people think in regards to stereotype of the car, I assumed everyone today who saw that blue RS was thinking what I was thinking... Wow, Wish I was driving one of those!

 

it's hard to load on a trailer other than that no complaint's

 

trailer, now y would u want to load a 3rd gen on a trailer? cars are ment to be driven. if u cant drive it there, it aint worth taken it.

 

The door panels are cardboard and all the replacement ones are too. I'm going to try to fab up some plastic backed ones with RS logos on them.

 

did i mention changing fuel pumps in these cars?

my pos fuel pump just died......woot i get to learn about changing it out

 

I agree but in my defence, I've lifted vehicles on the pinch weld and if you get the right spot they don't bend at all. However I do not endorse lifting uing the pinch weld... but it can be done

 

Headliner blows.
The car is squeakier OUTSIDE than it is inside.
Seats were crappy.
Spoiler (stock) was made out of dung.
Stock exhaust was terrible.
305 was a terrible idea.
Formula hoods with the hood scoop that was moved to the side, terrible idea.

 

1. Hell derived fuel pump changes
2. the eventual need of a manual fan switch
3. ONE muffler with no clearance for for 2 if u wanted
4. Sloooowwww V6....
5. satan's pw motor changes
6. No cupholders... passenger seatbelts can only do so much...
7. No real glove compartment
8. Evil distributor changes
All i can think of for now

 

-The paper thin rear torque arms
-Rear drums
-T-top seals...

 

O yeah... The actual position of the ONE muffler...

 

I really hate how I replced three injectors and the car ran fine and 2 days later two more died...

Heavy Doors

Shitty Wiring everywhere

Squeaks & Rattles

the fact that the previous owner had no idea how to take care of a car and I have FREQUENT problems because of that

 

Doors are too heavy
Interior rattles more than a RATTLE snake
chassis flex
should of had rack n pinion not recirculating ball p steering
interior materials cheap cheap cheap
can't go to the car wash because the interior will also get washed
Suspension is rock hard since they had to compensate for such a loose chassis


Well thats about it , i still love my car , had it 12 years...

 

Man this is exactly how i feel,

if people realized with some patience they could do alot to their thirdgens
My Thirdgen has tought me a big lesson in patience, and saving my money

after dumping tons of money in my car my world would be a little shattered if someone hit my car badly

 

alot of these comments are crazy!

lol you don't like the ride? You Did atleast test drive it before you bought it right?

plus know what youre getting into before you buy a used car

months before i bought my car i had started doin research, asked a couple people i know who owned them and used the powerful internet and such

 

Mine has to be that my third gen seems to be a target for "truckers that got to provide something". Not talking about the 18 wheels those guys like me I usually get a friendly hook from them. It's these work trucks that well are not work truck, the heaviest think they will haul is a mattress. Seem like the driver drives slow and you get to a road the branches to a two lanes and then they get they have a v8 and speed up to not let you pass them then it becomes a one lane road again and they drop down to 10 below the speed limit.
I never get this in any other car I drive but all the time in my camaro.
Not much I can do for this but give them the bird.
Other then that I'v fix most of the stuff i was not happy with.

 

You could smoke them?

 

I think it took me about 5 hours and i didnt have to drop the steering wheel but it was a really tight job, There is n way it took 30 mins. If it did, Do a post on youtube so we could learn a quicker way..

 

Not with a 3.1 V6 vs there strong-ish V8 but when I build my LS2 stroker I will, ooo I will .

 

Lol i told my girlfriend iam finally getting rid of my gta and then i come across a set of tubular aftermarket lower controls arms and a tubular panhard rod..lol i bought them and it's back to working on the gta..She hasn't received the "iam not selling it" call..We all hate something about our cars but if we research the forums, a lot of things can be modified or made better. As proud 3rd gen owners we should always try to find solutions to our problems..did i mention i hate the T.P.S lol.. my 96 chevy express has a non adjustable one..u cant get it wrong.

 

I've owned my ride for 21 years and the only negative stereotype comments i hear or read are right here. The worst distractors are many of our own.

 

I got mine for 1300 so its not too much to complain about

mine does 0-60 in about 10 sec with an Edelbrock TBI, and and aftermarket exhaust.
I have no headliner
looks like the previous owner tried rebuilding the shell and did a crappy job, the front bumper isnt aligned right, nor are either of the doors or trunk.
Cant open the trunk.
i get 13MPGs city.
My front bumper needs replacing
weatherstripping is bad.

In general, no cup holders, no glove box, cheap door panels. every screw on the center console needs a torque bit(if im correct on the terms, the star shaped screw driver head). no where to lock in the t-tops like in the 4th gens.

 

mine was previously wrecked, crappy repaint, 200,000 mile LG4, and its a T-Top. so pretty much every complaint that everyone has applies to my car. It leaks , it rattles, it's slow, my girlfriend hates it. But i will never get rid of it i absolutely love this car.

 

My 88 IROC has been a great car to own. Sure there were some nagging things that needed to be done to her when i purchased her used but once i had them taken care of she runs great. No problems...Sure the 3rdGens squeak but so do a lot of cars from the 80's. And yes, no cup holders..But really who cares. Our cars can be modified to perform and handle much better,stylish & fun. I get lots of compliments from people and i haven't been called a red neck. Our cars are some 20yrs old...Thats ancient history in automotive land.

 

White trash image...What a joke.At least im not driving a 400 dollar car with 4000 dollars worth of 22 inch wheels, and tires on it...I LOVE MY CAMARO......

 

Amen to that! haha

 

trailer park image(i see more Mustangs at trailer parks than IROCs) cheap interior, huge doors w/weak hinges and the way the inside door handles are not even level, gigantic hatch that easily leaks, wimpy motors, TPI(GM could have designed something better), mess 'o wires, the fact that most of them are abused w/rediculous accesories which gives them a bad rap, surrounded by 200 pounds of glass, no 5-speed 350, damn rasy y-pipe, nose is too floppy and stress cracks, the seats-not good enough the way the car handles(look nice though), GM was stupid to put regular headliner in the T-top cars(cant go over 80 w/the t-tops out unless you want the headliner falling apart) other than that i absolutely love third gens

 

Not really too much for me to complain about... I AM a ******* so that doesn't offend me too much.. I have a cup holder on either side stock, the car has a good fit/finish compared to alot of other f-bodies, just replaced the headliner material (took about 20 minutes to do)... can't really think of anything to complain about except the cost of the 91-92 Firebird front fender ground effects.

To everyone hating their cars because of how much of a PITA it is to work on them.... That is the very thing that keeps me into the late '80's- early '90's GM stuff... new enough it isn't rare of expensive yet and old enough that you CAN work on it yourself and get some good experience and have a good time doing it!

 

ok so red_neck was filtered out of my first post haha....

 

- 91/92 Camaro's can't have T-tops with the L98
- They couldn't come with a manual behind the L98.
- unreliable and inaccurate sending units
- the fan switch
- non functional hood louvers
- horrible brakes
- restrictive intake
- restrictive exhaust
- exhaust layout
- underbody layout
- lack of steering angle
- the seat belts
- rag joint
- window motors
- low quality stock paint
- door hinges
- weak rear end

just to name the obvious things...

 

Wow, a chance to point out my dislikes. WOO HOO! For starters, I bought my '91 RS from my brother for $700. He gutted most of the interior. There are no trim pieces in the hatch... except for the piece that covers the hatch release. The interior rattles, the suspension rattles, it's an LO3, I don't mind the location of the "glove box." I think that locating it in the hatch is rather unique. The paint is junk (it was built in Van Nuys, CA) the t-tops leak, the t-tops are lexan, and not glass, the exhaust is restrictive as hell, VATS!, the console cover looks crappy, lack of rear seat bottoms, the power door lock buttons do nothing, the hatch release button does nothing, the need for a manual fan switch (why?), constantly scraping the lower front valence, large turning radius, the blower motor doesn't work, the tach is inaccurate, the speedo works when it wants to, oil leaks (typical small block Chevy), can't get to the #7 spark plug to change it, radiator leaks, needs new hoses and possibly a new thermostat, no headliner, no dome light, cracked dash pad, rear drum brakes, leak from pinion seal. I think that's about it.

I must add some things that I do like about it. First, it is a third generation Camaro, it has the IROC style taillights (which I think were standard from 91 on), it has t-tops, the AC blows cold, but no blower motor to force the air, it's a Chevy, it doesn't do too bad on fuel mileage, most replacement parts are cheap and available, most glitches are an easy fix after doing some research, it caused me to join a group of awesome enthusiasts, it's fun to drive.

I could care less if someone thinks I'm white trash. I was born in the west and raised in the south. I've been brought up around stereotypes, and they're all garbage. I'd say that we are all a bunch of awesome, unique guys that share a common passion no matter the cons or criticism. I vote a cross country road trip. Who needs a Harley?

 

certainly hillarious, but because its true. i hate how u cant jack the car up on the k-member becasue if u go too high up, it will slip off and smash the center-link into the oil pan....

 

I love my Camaro!
The only thing I wouldn't love is that decapitating shelf on the passenger side. Then again, since I never sit there, I don't worry about it.

 

1.Seat Belts
2.Easily cracking dash
3. The goofy gauges they put in my car.
4. The bad rep these cars have

Thos are the only things I have to complain about besides that I love it!

 

what some people said before. as soon as i fix one thing, another thing goes.
granted my car is a little over 100,xxx miles.

i had no idea what i was getting into

 

But the great thing is that if you treat it right, always, that stuff WILL end. It's usually someone else causing the heartbreak you've inherited.

My Cam will turn 200,000 miles tonight, and she has never left me stranded, never gone down, except for once in the driveway, which I thought was really considerate of her. Lol.

 

Don't like...

8. 305 engine need a lot of upgrades
7. 700R4 trans need a lot of upgrades
6. suspension need upgrades and tuning
5. brakes need a looooot of upgrades
4. electrical system need some upgrades
3. darn heavy
2. hot start problem (cursed Chevy starter)

Maybe is what all about, upgrades is what makes it fun.

If you want a car that doesn't need upgrades you better buy a Mercedes GT1.
And the number one "I don't like" is the stereotype of "white trash", among others, maybe I should buy a crappy nissan an go to a nissan forum and start complaining - I don't like japanese trash...
...get the point?
Btw: I searched the "why you like your thirdgen" tread and can't find it, can some one point at it, I have a list...

 

Forgot one that I buried in my subconscious.
I love the digital dash panel and many people thinks it is cool, what I hate is when you stomp on the gas AND THE SPEEDO HIT 85 IT START FLASHING ON MY FACE!!!!! IT HAVE THREE DIGITS WHY IT STOP AT 85 AND START BLINKING!!!!! ON MY FACE!!!!!
Have to find a way to hack on it before I go psycho

I feel better now

 

I've decided to make a list of things I can think of from my car, and provide potential solutions to these problems to be more positive to our problems. I beleive EVERYTHING on our cars can be fixed/modified/improved to suit our needs:

1) clunking heavy doors that sag, rattle, clank, power locks don't work, power windows need adjustments, door panel deteriorates, etc etc...
SOLUTIONoors need to be rebuilt on probably everyone's car at this point, and upgraded with newer components/materials and sealed up right and tightened.

2) Rear axle is crap... Haven't snapped on me yet tho!
SOLUTION: Upgrade 10 bolt with better axles/carrier and beef it up or get 12 bolt... (If not dragging with slicks though the stock 10 bolt beefed up is probably a better, lighter alternative, also depends on the TQ of your car)

3) Heavy nose, light back = crap traction (should have relocated things in the rear for better weight distribution..
SOLUTION:Remove weight over the nose (there are threads for weight reduction i won't go into details), relocate battery to rear the PROPER way to make it look stock and not some hack job, ls1, aluminum parts, etc...

4) TERRIBLE design of suspension geometry. Car was not designed for 245/50/16 IROC wheels/tires. IROC chassis should have had an upgrade from the basic Z28 models and under.
SOLUTION: Need adjustable pieces and a great knowledge of how our suspension works. Compromise between between ride handling and comfort if need be, but you can go all out race if you want, or all our comfort (don't know why you'd want that in an IROC though...) Parts are a bit pricey, but an be done if done properly...

5) Exhaust routing is bad, hangs too low, in fact, most things hang too low, scrape the floor (front spoiler, air dam, catalytic converter, tranny pan, etc.
SOLUTION: Get custom exhaust (i've seen setups that run through a aftermarket crossmember and tuck under really tight), remove cat or get aftermarket smaller one (I think this exists?) or a cat delete pipe, trim air dam a little bit (careful with this, i'm not sure if this would kill the structural integrity of the plastic and/or render this piece useless) or perhaps modify the mounting point so that it's angled forward so it doesn't hang as low and accepts air better IMO (like on 69 camaros, how they are angled)

6) Stock steel driveshaft sucks and vibrates, brakes, needs balancing, etc.
SOLUTION: Replace with LS1 driveshaft or aftermarket aluminum one OR if you have money a carbon fiber driveshaft (and don't forget safety loop just in case! Why GM didn't put this stock is beyond me...!)

7) Rear hatch motor... Why do we have this? It's useless I could just close it myself if I wanted to.. I have to take the energy to pull it down anyway lol..

8) Rattles, squeeks, clunks, grinding noise, creaking, etc...
SOLUTION: Stop being **** about a 20 something year old car with (for the most part) over 100k miles. OR you could spend the time to hunt down every creak and squeek (i've tried this with somewhat successful results, it just takes time and PATIENCE! But do-able... Again, probably costs money to buy new parts to replace old creaky ones... Or it could be a simple greasing or parts!)

9) 700R4 auto tranny... In stock form, it does 'okay'. Once you modify the engine things start to get funky. I'm not gonna bash this transmission because it's got a big history and it can be BUILT to handle almost anything streetable (obviously if you need 1000HP or more on the street you probably have something better than a 700R4). I've got mine built to handle a seriously modified 305 and it shifts great and goes great.

10) Speaking of 305's... I know these engines are DOGS in stock form, but again, CAN be built to last and perform. Obviously, we must understand that in the 80's there were more regulations put on car companies so performance in the 80's wasn't the biggest success of any car company. I think the fact that it can be built to be a good little performer, that would be the solution (or the obvious 350SBC or even better getting a modern drivetrain like an LS1, lighter, more efficient, pollutes less, faster, etc.)

11) Last but not least, the BRAKES. Yes, front discs were crapola, as well as stock drums in the rear.
SOLUTION: UPGRADE THE BRAKES! It's expensive, yes, but worth it... Unless you want to potentially wreck your investment? I mean, thousands of dollars into a car for performance/handling/looks, so what's another 1-2k on brakes? I've got LS1 front discs, and aluminum rear drums (all new) and it stops like a charm, but i'm going to go rear disc as well soon, just because I want to be able to brake better if need be (Bigger brake kits like a 12" rotor fit in 16 inch IROC wheels, I think Ed Miller also developed a way to fit a 13" rotor in there as well.)


We have to realize our cars are old, working on them is fun, and you feel a sense of achievement when you realized you've improved a car that GM couldn't do back in the day (or just wouldn't). They are beautiful cars, with a platform that could be used for daily driver, drag, autox, or any other performance oriented type driving, that's what makes them amazing. I love my car to death and every little thing I do to make it better, will make the car 'that much better' than it was before I fixed/improved that problem that was annoying the hell outta me. There's tons of parts out there for our cars, it just takes time and money, but slowly and surely getting the right stuff and informing ourselves before spending money will help us save in the end.

Okay that's it for that... 17 pages wow lol...

 

I don't like the heavy hood (when hood shocks are blown out).

 

the fact that i dont have one yet....