That's right, I will no longer buy the stuff. I've used it for nearly 3 years now, and EXCLUSIVELY on my repaint in 2002. I've gone through the entire tedious task of cleaning, polish-lok, and coat after coat after coat after coat to be "satisfied" with the results. I only waxed the car when clean, and used their product, with their pads. Created not swirl marks but linear fine scratches in the paint due to their recommended polishing method. Even several coats didn't completely clear it up.

A couple of days ago I ran out of my Zaino. Rather than spend a ton of cash and wait several days for the online only order, I bought Eagle One's new Nano wax.

One quick coat of this stuff had my car shining better than Zaino, looking deeper than Zaino, and hid the fine scratches better than Zaino. What else did it do better? It went on easier. It came off easier - AND LEFT NO WHITE STUFF IN THE CRACKS!

All in all a much better product in every facet. Oh, and it cost less too. And took all of 10 minutes to obtain.

Highly recommended product!

O great that makes me feel good I just ordered there "car show kit"

One less Zanio Zombie!

wheres the pics?

I have never used Zaino, nor do I have the tendancy to buy the stuff. Every spring I use some 3M hand glaze on the whole car. Then I follow it up with Mothers Reflections. Got a califonia car duster for those "after the drive" dustings. Been using Meguiers NXT Spray wax for when I pull the cover off. Car looks great. A superior gloss, little to no fine scratches, and no residue.

Yikes, I'm not even going to comment.

Good, one less person that doesnt know how to use it properly to misadvise anyone else.

One of the guys in our f-body club drove his car to the Atlanta Gathering and won a bunch of stuff with it. Out scored cars that were trailered there. He's religious with Zaino. *shrug*

I won't use it just b/c of the hassle of getting the stuff.

you have to do it just right to make it look really great. if it was scratching your paint you were doing it wrong wether you thought you were following the directions. if anything it should help you with swirl marks and spider webs and such.not trying to say anything bad about you, it just takes a lot of work and in the long run most people are just as happy with a good multi step waxing or something along those lines.

You should try some nxt

Yep, it sucks. It took me 4 years to find that out though, glad it took you only 3.

hence why I only use Meguires Gold Class wax...oh, and my favorite, what i'll call "The Palmolive Special" for washing.
:lala:
-G

I used that Nano Wax this past weekend too, I was curious about it when I went to Pep Boys the other day to pick something up and decided to pick that up too (on a side note Stoner's Trim Shine is awsome, I highly recommend it). I agree it goes on easy and comes off pretty easy too and does leave a nice shine, but I don't think it compares to Zaino at all. I have Zaino and I've used Zaino, the only reason I don't do it anymore is because my car is a daily driver and already has a few damage areas on the paint that I don't want to waste my Zaino on it, that and it does take a while to do the whole process.

Before I bought the nano wax I've used the 3M Hand Glaze and Maguire's Gold Class and have had excellent results too, better than the Nano Wax actually....however I still don't think it compares to Zaino, close in shine, but not quite and also doesn't last as long as Zaino.

I also don't see where you get the white residue left over as I've never had that problem on my car and my car is black. The gloss and shine I got with Zaino is simply amazing and it lasts longer than anything else as well as stay clean, dust was minmal on it. I'm sorry you had problems with it, I still highly endorse it as I've had no problems with it.

Here is a tip, one can actually use the 3M Hand Glaze before the coat of Zaino and enhance Zaino's gloss...and if you have the Zaino gloss enhancer spray you'll get even shinier still, not to mention the additional coats. You have to use quality terry towls to get good results...you can also use th new microfiber towls those work great. Did you also claybar your car? Clay barring your car is amazing, it can make a world of difference. Nevertheless I do think I'll be using the Nano Wax until I get a new paintjob and retire my car as the daily driver though. It is fairly cheap and easy to use...just gotta wait to see how long it lasts.

The thing about zaino is that it really needs to be used on perfect paint. Because zaino is completely non-abrasive, it's not going to remove small swirl marks and scratches like other brands do. I've got the Z5 or whatever one is designed to hide swirl marks, but I find it to be fairly useless.

On my daily driver (91 corvette), the zaino results really aren't all that impressive. I've found that the Eagle 1 Wet look polish, which has a mild abrasive in it, provides a shine that's as good or better than the zaino.

But on my IROC... the zaino is worlds beyond anything else I've tried.

I like the NANO wax too!!!!

but you have to remember





Chris

that has to be one of the greatest things i've ever seen

It always has been used on perfect paint. I had the car professionally painted (see sig) at the Lincoln/Mercury dealer who I work for by a DuPont engineer/rep that does occassional side work here.

I used to detail cars for a living. I know how to wax a car, and how not to. The fine scratches were not there after the paint, and only showed in the linear patterns Zaino recommended: vertically on the sides and front to rear on the top of the car. I only used their product, both chemical, pad, and their recommended towel. Pads were replaced every few weeks, and the towels washed every week. I even go as far as claying the car every few months.

It's been 3 days since I waxed. Still looks great. Sorry no pics due to lack of digital camera/scanner. Its supposed to rain really heavy tonight. I'll bet it holds up better than Zaino. We'll see...

Apparently you dont. Zaino = non-abrasive. Any scratches on the car were either there before, or caused by the person doing the application/removal.

i think (and this is totally my opinion) that all the so called zainoholics are just brand name shopping..

i have read millions (well not really) but lots of statements of and by customers that have used it...and there are mixed reviews...

even shops that do waxing, polishing etc tried it..(if i can find the website i will provide the results) and they even said that for the price zaino was NOT worth it...

it actually was a product that they would not nor do not reccomend to anyone. In the same breath the maguires scored top marks as did the eagle wet look..both of which are ALOT cheaper then zaino..

i know i will NEVER use zaino on my iroc because of two reasons..
1. its too damn hard to get ahold of
2. it DOES leave abrasive marks that wont come out..(tried tested and true in the results page)

from my entire years of having show cars (since 96) i have always used maguires and i will never use anything else..

iroc2nv

Any fine scratches most likely came from the products used to apply it...like the towels or applicators and not the Zaino. That happens with all waxes, its not necessarily the wax, but you'r still running a piece of cloth over it and it creates fine scratches...that or when you wash the car. You can't eliminate those kinds of scratches its impossible. They are visible when the car hasn't been waxed or polished in a while, but when there is a coat of Zaino or any other wax those scratches are masked. People should just accept the fact that washing and or waxing are gonna produce fine scratches.

i agree what you use to apply and remove makes all the difference. as far as the product i think zaino is good and close to great however it's rather expensive and their are other products that work better for less which are easier to get ahold of.

Difficult to get a hold of? Not really. Once a year, go to the website and order a bottle. 3 days later its at your door. Pricey? Initially yes, but in the long run its cheaper. Look at it this way:

Meguairs Gold Class liquid wax costs about $6 a bottle. Figure that the average bottle has 6 applications. $1 an application.

2 bottles of Zaino cost 8.95 (Z1) and 12.95 (Z2) for a total of 22. I've gotten 17 coats out of 1 bottle of Z2. $1.30 an application.

An extra $.30 for better shine and durability, not to mention ease of use? Yeah, I'll stick with Zaino.

I concur. Personally I've found the Rain X series of car wax products quite wonderful, along with quite a few others.

I can tell you right now...ive used meguair's gold class twice...and I will have at LEAST 6 more waxes prolly much more...

ive never had experiance with Zaino but gold glass when i used on my dads GN did a far better job taking out swirl marks then any other past wax...so ill stick to the Gold Class until it dis-satifies me

a wax will not take swirls out of it...that is unless it's a combination wax/polish type setup.

gold class should last a hell of alot more then 6 applications. i've had my bottle for 4 years and i've used it alot. zaino is a good product but it's ease when considering having to order or go to the store can get old for some......it's time consuming process for it's ultimate shine is rediculous but evident.

to each their own as it does do what it intends to do if you follow the directions, however there are other products that do just as well that are cheaper and more accessable.

Put the pipe down bud... Ease of use...

Regardless of what caused the scratches, the super duper magical Zaino system couldn't hide them. The Eagle One did it in one coat.

If everybody's car got the same scratches from using Zaino, I'd agree with you 100%, but we all use it and none of us are scratching our paint. Most likely your applicator pad picked up some kind of contaminates. Just because you can't see or feel them doesn't mean they aren't there. Something as benign as a non-cotton towel can scratch the paint, so you can imagine that it doesn't take very much in the way of particles or contaminates to do the same.

Zaino won't scratch your car. Period.

Plus, the reason that the nano wax took them out, is because in all likelyhood, it's got a mild abrasive in it. Most commercialized products do.

All sarcasm aside I would have to say the zaino applicator is not the best and I use a high quality 100% cotton washcloth.

There is a chance you just got a bad batch of the stuff, something that I never have heard of but is conceivable.

Zaino is safe for decals and thats why I use it exclusively.

On black, scratches really show and if its as abraisive as you say my hood bird would be ground off by now, I have at least 30 coats on the hood alone.

Although i have never tried Zaino, i have tried meguiers gold class.

UGH, dunno if there are restrictions to what can be put into polish in the US, but that stuff is NASTY, waxy, hard work, poor shine.

Autoglym is one of the best polishes i've found, the Super resin polish glides on and glides off, and leaves a shine 10 times better than Meguiers.

I also rate Autosmart.

Dunno if either are available in the US, if they are, they may be to different formulations.

OK, now I know you are full of sh*t. It takes me a total of 45 minutes to wash and dry my car, apply Z5, wipe it off and finish with some Z6. How is that hard?

If you are talking about all the prep work (dawn wash, claybar, rubbing compound, etc) you can attribute that to just Zaino. That stuff should be done before using any kind of wax or polish.

takes me 1 hour just to wash the car and another 30 min to dry it....

:lala:

jeff...

you do that fast man..

it takes me like 9 hours to clean the car for a show...and this weekends show is even more of a need to be super clean..

iroc2nv

lol...that doesn't include cleaning the car for a show. that takes 2 weeks and usually at least 4 pairs of hands with a hyraulic lift at the shop.

o man , i wish i had a lift to be able to clean the underside of my car . I dont understand how it can take so long to clean the car , but i guess i dont try hard enough yet . Once i put a carbed engine in there and get rid or all the wires and everything ill keep it clean , but i dont think ill get that serious as someof your guys.

That's why my car won't ever win a show. If I ever get any free time, I'd rather drive it.

I have used both, and alot of other stuff (formula 113, eagle one, zymol, ps21 lalalal and the list goes on)

I think zaino works beutifully on newer paint. The initial time and effort pays out over time.....but i dont think it lasts too long imo. And the shine doesnt really come out until several coats are on the car.

Meguires gold class is a pita to take off, but is readily available, and provides a better shine on a 1 to 1 coat basis versus the zaino. but then again it dries up in cracks and the rest of the complaints.

Either way, heres how I see it. Why bitch about a wax product you didnt like? Everyone is going to have thier own opinions on stuff, and should use what they feel is the best, not what some website review etc does. Go out and try the products and figure out which one suits your need the best. What i use and do might not work for kandied and what he might use and do might not work for me.

1. It was highly recommended by several respected people, and many people on this and other boards.

2. It's only available online. And that means waiting several days for it to ship.

3. The cost. Compare the $10 I paid for the Eagle One to the entire Zaino system (which they recommend for best results).

4. Too many steps for a lackluster result.

If I could buy it for a reasonable price, and easily, and not have to spend so much time applying it, I would chalk it up to experience.

DJCobol - Wash, dry, and wax the car in 45 minutes. I applaud you. I'll nickname you The Flash from now on. A "quickie" wash and wax like you described is something I'll pass on. I'd rather do it right.

The Flash - when referring to the amount of time to apply the product, I wasn't necessarily referring to just the polish step. You seemed to forget to mention all the crazy preparation steps before the polish. I know it rarely needs to be done, and mostly as a startup issue, but the Nano wax doesn't, and gave better results.

amen brother

The 3 days it takes to get to your house is well worth it.

Dont compare just one bottle of polish to the entire Zaino system. Compare product to product. One bottle of Z2 it $12.95.

Apply, let cure and remove? Thats WAY too many steps.


See above answers.


When you actually know what you are doing, its amazing how fast it goes.

The noob - all those crazy preperation steps are not unique to Zaino. They should be done before using ANY kind of polish wax. Next time you reply, read and comprehend my post before you do.

DJCobol: registered March 2004

Marc 85Z28: registered in 1997, before the UBB

Noob

i only use Meguairs, that stuff is great! first time i used it people thought i got a new paint job, plus it dont take long to put on so it perfect and yet some say its crap. its your $ and car use what u want.
see 4your self i took this pic the day after i use meguairs.
http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic.php?u=2891Bn1lB&i=31398

I've been lurking here for a few years, never bothered to sign up until I bought a thirdgen.

Besides that, I was referring to your detailing abilities. You are obviously new to this with your uninformed comments.