OK, before going to the place that did the painting, saying he should repaint it, either discounted or no charge, I have to ask this question to some1 who knows and does this stuff. When I got this car, an 89 RS, I knew I would have to repaint the front bumper and effect because it was chipping. When the car was repainted they didn't add the flex additive to the front. The whole car looks good and the paint is nice except for that area. So it kept chipping and I got them repainted about 4 months ago. I told the owner to make sure he adds the flex additive and he said OK. So I got it back, there were a few drips, paint on the Camaro emblem, my lights weren't installed, and no pinstripe. I made the guy do the lights and the pinstripe right there!! I didn't say anything about the imperfections in the paint that weren't really noticable, I wanted my car.

Anyway, a few weeks ago I hit a high curb with the front of the effect and it got a few scratches, but what I noticed, is that all the paint around it is cracked, and lots of them, u have to look at a certain angle and they are not that noticable. 2 weeks ago, I came around a corner too fast and scratched the side of the effect up. I look at it and there are some scratches, but it cracked again and more than the other 1, and its much more noticable, and the paint chipped off in some places where scratches should be. I could chip this paint job off with a screwdriver. My question is, if the flex additive was added, shouldn't it just have gotten scratched and not chipped and cracked like that?? Should I go and tell him to repaint it or give a discount or something?? Thanks!!

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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
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89 RS 2.8
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T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
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[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 14, 2000).]

 

The flex additive will give the urethane some flex, but it doesn't make it 100% pliable either. Hitting a curb, being rearended, or anything that stresses the urethane excessively will crack the paint. Hit it again and the crack it worse, you'd have to expect it to be flaking. I would recommend slowing down and watch for curbs (:?])

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The paint on the front that I bought the car with didn't have the flex additive, and didn't crack and chip like this, its really thick and I could probably take it off with any object. Only the bumper and effect are like this and I'll have to get the effect repainted, but I want a guy who does this stuff to tell me what I should do.

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87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O. Automatic

If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
Nice Car

[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 13, 2000).]

 

That additive stuff is worthless, so says a pro painter I talked to. Painted my Camaro myself about 6 months ago and haven't had a problem with chips or cracks.

 

If you hit the curb I think that realistically you're SOL.

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OK, let me say this better, I didn't hit the curb, I scraped it slightly, instead of just scratches, it chipped and cracked all around that area. When I said I can take this paint job off by just sliding a screwdriver across it, thats what I meant!! Is it supposed to be like that?? See what RSpeed said in another post I made about this: https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/000367.html I want some1 to tell me whether I can go to this guy and tell him that he didn't do what I asked him, and thats add the flex additive and do a nice job. If what RSpeed said in that link is accurate and I think it is, I have something to say to the guy who did it. Do I??

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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O. Automatic

If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
Nice Car



[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 14, 2000).]

 

Well, to tell the truth, painting is more art than science when it comes down to the actual painting. Everyone who does it, does it their own way and has their own opinion. That said, here is mine...
You don't need flex additive if you paint it right. The best way to do it, is also the most time consuming. Strip it and then paint with as thin a coat as you can. If you do it right the paint will be thin enough to flex right along with the urethane. If it's too thick, regardless of additive or not, it will chip, crack, and flake off.

 

So should I go tell the guy who painted it about this??

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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O. Automatic

If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
Nice Car

 

He might cut you a break on the repaint, but as for getting it for free, I also think you're SOL. He'll be able to tell you hit/scraped/whatever a curb.


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I don't know anything about painting urathane,but why do you want an '84 TA 305 HO automatic ?? just curious 'caus I own one it's the same brown & grey colors as the camaro in the upper lefthand corner of this screen. classic industries sells exterior parts for an "'84 limited edition TA",is there such thing?? or are they just refering to the 15th anniversery??

 

I want 1 because I like them!!

To my question, what I'm asking here isn't if he'll repaint it for me or not, its is paint supposed to crack all through the paint if it gets scratched?? When some1 tells me then I can tell him. If I go to him and he says its supposed to do that, but its not, what do I say??


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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O. Automatic

If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
Nice Car

 

Urethane paint, for the most part, is already flexable and doesn't need a flex additive in it. The way you describe how easily the paint cracks and chips so easily sounds more like enamel paint, which is mostly non-flexable (from what I've seen & heard). Judging by what you've said,,, it doesn't sound like you went somewhere that really gives a damn about the craftsmanship (drips, overspray, incomplete work,,,)as much as just making a buck off of people. As far as getting a freebie,, I'd say no because it wasn't the shops fault you ran across these items to cause the problem. The other problem I'd see if you went back to this shop for another repaint is that they would just slap another layer of paint on top of what is there making it even more prone to chipping & cracking. I will have to agree with Red Devil about the best way to paint the urethane parts on these (or any) cars. I would, however, be pissed if I got enamel paint and paid for urethane.

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The place I went to usually does good work, I know because I've seen it on other cars. The paint looks good on the bumper, but I'm gonna have to get the effect repainted anyway, I think I'm gonna show the guy and ask why it cracked like that.

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Looking For:

87 IROC-Z 350 TPI
84 TRANS AM 305 H.O. Automatic

If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
hatch tint
lots more
Nice Car



[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 18, 2000).]

 

According to the spec sheet on PPG's Concept LV the flexative additive only needs to be added if the part is off of the car. If it's still on the car it doesn't need the additive. The main reason that paint doesn't adhere is in the preperation. Sometimes even thouroughly reputible shops may over look sanding in some places. Just a thought.

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