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Old May 18, 2001 | 11:17 PM
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Newbie!!! Any ideas???

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Hey im new here - just wanted to say hey - and hopefully i shall learn about cars (specially my camaro) here!!! Wanna do stuff to it - but kinda short on ideas!!!
I hope the pics post up!!!
Got it a month ago had only 40K on it and excellent condition!!! Looks almost brand new!!! I know the deal sounds to good - but i have yet to regret!!!
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And if the pics dont post up - could someone reply - and give me an idea to go about it!!!
lol thanks
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Old May 18, 2001 | 11:21 PM
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Sweet RS!...looks good.Hey just start reading the boards and you'll learn whatever you need to know.What are you looking at doing first? Performance or appearance?

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Old May 18, 2001 | 11:24 PM
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Just make it go faster!!!
I know a V8 is enough but u get that feeling when u just need more and wanna blow ppl away - so something basically easy on the credit card and lots of power!!!
Any ideas!!!
Oh one question though - when i blow the trans - which i know i will after the stunts i pull the highways - is it possible to go from a 4 speed auto - to a 5 speed manual - without taking any risks in the ride???
Thanks
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Old May 18, 2001 | 11:42 PM
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About the performance upgrades (I am putting these on my 86 Trans Am as we speak), I would start by getting a K&N filter (you will actually feel the power increase with this one), some underdrive pullees, an aftermarket exhaust, and an aftermarket Thermostat.

If you do a search on any of these you will find tons of discussions. These are the very absic mods, but they should be enough to satisfy you for now.

As for the tranny, I'm pretty sure the tranny swap is not all that complicated (I mightdo one myself) but if you do decide to swap, put in a T56 instead of the 5 speed (its approx. the same price)

Also try this link, its a long read, but should giv you a few ideas:

http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/mods.html

BTW Nice Ride man! I just wish my TA had a paint job like that, but for now half of it is covered in Bondo

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Old May 20, 2001 | 07:02 AM
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I think if you keep on reading the boards and doing some research you'll find most of the answers you're looking for. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. You have a very nice looking car.

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Old May 20, 2001 | 05:03 PM
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Wow!! Your car looks beautiful. I just wanted to say that first. I'm not embarassed to say i needed a change of pants after looking at it..... that's a little bit more than you probably wanted to know though, lol. I love 91-92 ground effects. Anyway, i have a '91 RS and i've just started the upgrade process. I have a v6, so i know without nitrous I'll never have a supremely fast car, but It's ok with me. Back to the subject, the first thing i did, after a basic tune-up was put in a k&n air filter, and wow, i could feel it. It really is worth the money. Secondly i'm in the process of getting the most expensive things out of the way. I'm awaiting my new Twin Turbo Hood's arrival and as soon as it gets here i'm taking it to the paint and body shop for a new paint job, and some front bumper repairs. After that It's probably time for a new exhaust. Well i don't want to waist your time, but that's the path i plan on taking with my car. Beautiful car and i'm sure no matter how fast you're going, it'll be turning heads.
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Old May 20, 2001 | 08:56 PM
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That is a beautiful car man! I would probably have to say as far as looks go, keep it the same! It is gorgeous the way it is! How much money do you have to spend on stuff? If you have a few hundred dollars, maybe go for exhaust. More money? Opt for some 3.73 gears (if you don't already have them) wait...you probably have a one legger so I don't know if you should get the 3.73's. Anyway, if you save up about 3 grand, drop in a 383 or ZZ4. You will absolutely LOVE that! A ZZ4 is a 350 and is wonderful. If it were me, I would just be content with what I have now and save up for the ZZ4 or 383. Good luck to ya!
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Old May 21, 2001 | 07:22 PM
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Hey guys!!!
Thanks for the compliments on the car!!!
I thought it looked pretty good - compared to the ones ive seen!!! Till i saw this website!!!
It look like a K&N air filter is the next step!!! But by keeping the engine "aired" - the engine stays cooler - right??? - does that mean less MPG???
Im looking for a 500$ car - to drive everyday - then ill start with upgrading!!!
And by the way 89IROCZZ4 - i did put a flowmaster exhaust system in it!!! Im kinda bummed - u didnt notice it!!!
One more thing guys - try keeping the language like u r talking to a retard with cars - cause i dont know much!!! So whats a ZZ4 - a 383 - a 3.73??? Sorry!!!
And real deal!!! U could never be wasting my time - while im learning something about my car!!! So your replies could be pages long - ill love it!!!
And once again thanks to your replies!!!



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Old May 22, 2001 | 02:38 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by highspeedfreak:


One more thing guys - try keeping the language like u r talking to a retard with cars - cause i dont know much!!! So whats a ZZ4 - a 383 - a 3.73??? Sorry!!!
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The ZZ4 is a crate motor used to replace the factory one. A 383 is the cubic inch of an engine based on the boring of the cylinder walls on a 350 motor. There's more to it than that, but I hope you get the drift. The 3:73's are the rear axle gear ratio. The higher the number, the steeper the gears. if you have 2:77's, 60mph might be at 1500rpm, 3:73's could be at 1800rpm and 4:10's could be 2300rpm. You will feel more power at the wheels as you go higher, but at less mileage and higher RPM's. And the comment about the "one legger" means that you probably have only one drive wheel. If you had posi or a limited slip differential, both tires will spin when you get on the gas.

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Old May 22, 2001 | 02:46 PM
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Don't feel bad Freak, I'm in the same boat ... err ... car. I picked up an '87 5.7/350 and just started the quest. Mine doesn't look anywhere's near as good as yours does. I'm too embarassed to show the picks. I'm about 75% done with the interior. My Boyd's gauges are coming tomorrow so I'm trying to pass this day as quickly as possible. I'll post some INTERIOR picks when I'm done. NIce to meetcha!

Jamie
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Old May 22, 2001 | 03:30 PM
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Sweet ride,i am glad you found a thirdgen out there in such excellent shape,they are out there but hard to find,just get use to the car as it is for now,then go with upgrades.the little ones like k&ns,hi-flow cat,a chip would be good,sorry but in the pics i cant see the flowmasters,do you have a pic of the rear?Just browse all the message boards on here and you will find out alot about your ride and the best upgrades for your money,good luck with the ride.

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Old May 22, 2001 | 05:57 PM
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highspeedfreak,

Nice car. You got a great deal there.

The first thing you need to do is start learning about cars. This is done by reading some helpful books and actually digging in and start playing with your car for real. There are a couple books that would be good for getting over the basic learning curve. Go to the local Chevy dealer and get the latest Chevy Power book. That will introduce you to all the basics of Chevy motors. Next, get a copy of Lingenfelter's book on how to build a small block Chevy. That will give you a decent platform for understanding why you match certain components to make the car work. Also, pick up a book on modifying a 3rd gen Camaro. I think the one I got years ago was a book called Camaro Performance by David Shelby. There are many other books out there that will do the same thing buy through time I have purchased many of them and those are the ones that I thought were worthwhile.

Now, that said you'll have to do your mods in stages. Each stage will be useful towards your end goal but will also give you the best performance at that time until you save up enough to purchase and install the next mod. It's best to make one change at a time and then drive it for a while. That way you will get a real appreciation for the effects of each mod you make and you will be able to learn from mistakes and do better next time. Plus it helps you narrow down where the problems are if something doesn't work right, which happens a lot.

If you want to beat up on most standard cars your 305 V8 engine will do fine. If you want to run with other V8 performance cars you will need to replace the 305 with a 350 V8 or larger engine. My suggestion is to plan on removing your 305 engine sooner or later. But you can do things now that will still be fun. Start by upgrading your rear axle assembly with more aggressive gears (3.50 to 3.73 ratio) and a positraction. Also, if you put headers on your car you will allow your new exhaust system to work for you.

Here's an explanation of what the gear ratio is all about. The rear gears have the sole purpose of transferring the power output from your tranny to the rear wheels. The gear ratio is a number that tells you how many time the driveline turns for every turn of the tire. For instance, if you have a 3.50 gear ratio that means for every time that your rear tires rotate around once the driveline will rotate 3.50 times. The larger the number, the more torque is transferred from your tranny to the ground through your tires. Torque is the force that moves your car. When you punch the gas it's the force that initially sets you back in your seat. Hp is the rate at which the torque is being applied. Think of Hp as the direct cause for how fast you can rev up your engine and increase the torque applied to the ground. Hp is what keeps you planted to the back of your seat while you're accelerating. You can make a ton of torque, but if you can't rev the engine rapidly then you won't make much Hp. Ultimately, Hp is what makes you go fast. These two terms are related to each other and they can't be separated. If you know the torque and engine rpm that you're making it at you can calculate the Hp or vise-versa. This is something that is very important and highly misunderstood. If you get it you'll be ahead of 99% of the people out there. Now you just need to read those books and learn how to make torque and Hp so your car goes fast! Well... you'll need traction too
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Old May 22, 2001 | 06:56 PM
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get in and screw arround. thats what ive learned. i was the biggest wuss when it came to my vette. i woukldnt do jack to it cuz i thought i would fark it up. well i did a badass job replacing my power steering pump in the TA and i helped my friend with his radiator, took about 1/2 hour. its all really easy, just time consuming. unless your dealing with those damn c-clips. arrrg!

for mods right away, i would do the K&N XStream, and maybe an intake manifold change. youll defineatly feel that. if you wana go into some serious power later on, go for a cam change and you might wana do heads too. NOS is alwasy an option, and the less you care about the stock engine + the more money you have = a bigger shot. (shot is how much power it adds all at once.) im doin a 250 shot in the vette by the end of summer. to put that in retrospect, thats like instantly adding the power of a 92 Z28 to my original 325. im only gonna use it at the strip tho.

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Old May 22, 2001 | 07:59 PM
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Hey all - thank u again!!!
Ok - u gave me a sick feelin in my stomach with the one drive wheel!!! Does that mean - power is applied to only one wheel in the rear??? And if yes - then what can i do to make both wheels "spin"??? Thanks Scott!!!
And IROCKID - ill have a website full of car pics mine and other cars - so then u will be able to see them!!!
Engine swapping seems out of my reach - financially for now!!! Got to give myself some cushion for a tranny when this one falls apart!!!
But the small stuff like K&N filter - ill go for it!!! But a question - i wanted to get a hood with air induction??? Will the K&N filter still be handy???
Yes - im ordering books!!!
One more question - anyone in the chicago area - like the northwest suburbs??? That way i could get a better idea with the internals!!! Cause i am seriously scarred to mess around with anything under the hood - cause i still have the feeling that damage may not be reversible!!!
Thanks u all - this site and its members are a lot of help and are probably gonna hear from my mom - cause she is gonna be pissed with the expenses!!! lol oh well
Jay

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Old May 22, 2001 | 08:23 PM
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https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/rideimages/Pic_6.jpg

https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/rideimages/ACFBQJNVv.jpg

https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/rideimages/ACFPdYADW.jpg

Some more pics of the car and the flowmasters that 89iroczz4 and irockid missed!!!
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Old May 22, 2001 | 08:24 PM
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You have both rear wheels pushing right now but at any given time one or the other is applying the predominance of power. This is only a problem if you find yourself spinning out when you hit the gas. If not, don't worry about it.

They way you tie both rear wheels together is to install a posi assembly. The posi is basically a clutch system in your rear axle assembly that engages the right side wheel with the left side wheel. Becuase both wheels are tied together both wheels will apply power to the ground when you stuff the throttle. In reality they aren't literally tied together. They do slip like before but the posi makes it much more difficult for one wheel to slip relative to the other. A rearend where the wheels are litterally tied together has what they call a spool in it. You might also hear about something called a locker. This is just another design to accomplish the same thing as a posi. Instead of a clutch system like the posi, the locker has gear sets that engage to tie the wheels together. When you're just casually driving the gear sets disengage allowing you to easily turn corners. When you hit the throttle they engage again.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by highspeedfreak:
Thanks u all - this site and its members are a lot of help and are probably gonna hear from my mom - cause she is gonna be pissed with the expenses!</font>
Hehe. She'll get used to it after about 4 years and stop making comments.



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Old May 22, 2001 | 11:08 PM
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hey, your car is almost like mine ( not as hot but its ok :-}) e-mail me, we can discuss some things.
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Old May 23, 2001 | 12:23 AM
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Hey are there any members here from the northwest suburbs of chicago!!!
Plz let me know!!!
Thanks
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Old May 23, 2001 | 12:34 AM
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Really clean ride! Virginal not a ***** like many 3rd Gens end up to lokk like.
What kind of 305 you got, TPI or TBI(big air cleaner,like a carb)? What did ou pay for it? I got mine for $2000(check out my pics). I, of course did stuff to it mine.
Good luck w/it

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Mods:SLP air foil,K&N Filter, Accel:wires,coil cap,rotor.Hypertech Thermomaster chip,Stat,Fan switch,TES headers,MSD6AL,AFPR(46), Harwood fiberglass hood,original GM "Notchback GTA" hatch.
Flowmaster 3" Cat-back exhaust,TB coolant bypass, Centerforce dual friction clutch.
DIRECT LINK TO PICS OF MY CAR. NO WEB-PAGE. http://community-2.webtv.net/MZavraz...A90/page9.html
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Old May 23, 2001 | 01:10 AM
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Car: 92RS 25th Anniv./88 IROC Z28 Vert
Engine: 305 TBI w/Tpi Air / 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4/700r4
Axle/Gears: Posi
YES HIGHSPEEDFREAK THERE ARE CHICAGOLAND MEMBERS HERE. GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HOME PAGE AND LINK THERE TO THE MIDWEST BOARD OR THE CHICAGOLAND/INDIANA BOARD. FROM THERE YOU CAN JOIN THE MFBA AND HAVE ALL THE FRIENDS YOU NEED.

ALSO DON'T BE SO QUICK TO TEAR THAT TRANS UP. YOU MIGHT TEAR YOUR CAR UP FIRST AND THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD. THE BONE YARDS ARE FULL OF CARS AND DRIVERS THAT HAVE DONE THAT.

GO TO THE PREFERENCES SECTION AND YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO POST YOUR PICS DIRECTLY WITHOUT EVERYONE HAVING TO GO TO YOUR WEB LINK ALL THE TIME.

USE THIS SITE AND OTHERS AND YOU WILL HAVE THE MYSTERY'S OF THE 3RD GEN UNLOCKED. THE BEST PART OF IT ALL IS IT'S FREE. THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT GUYS AND GALS OUT HERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTION. JUST START ASKING.

BY THE WAY - SWEET A$$ RIDE. KEEP IT THAT WAY!

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Old May 23, 2001 | 09:02 AM
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Hey 86niterider!!!
No i wont end up in a bone yard lol - not that bad - but ive been close!!!
Thanks for the midwest info!!! Now i can find ppl close to me!!!
Thanks!!!
Jay

ALL U GUYZ HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL!!!
Bankruptcy here i come!!! lol

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Old May 23, 2001 | 10:05 AM
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Actually, your tranny should last you behind that LO3 engine. BTW, he has TBI, because it's an RS (unless it has the B4C package). I have a 92 RS that is just as cherry as yours, but with 3 times more miles. You have an absolutely gorgeous ride. Some suggestions for you. I have headers and a flowmaster exhaust. Before you start modding, you should stiffen the car up a little. I have Sub-frame connectors on mine, and it handles 100% better and is easier to drive now. Subframe connectors (SFC's) tie your front subframe to your rear subframe. I firmly believe that these are essential if you are going to go faster than stock. I personally think that Chevy should have used these from the factory, but that's another story.

There are a plethora of options and mods that you can choose from, and each one makes it unique.

Some advice: Never, EVER park next to anyone. Always keep a spray bottle of water handy to remove bugs from your nose after driving. Don't hop hills, and don't get too close to curbs and parking bumpers. I'm sure you know all this already, but you can never be too careful with the frail GFX on our cars.

If you have a site for pics, email me privately and I'll send you one. Mine is Hawaiian Orchid (purple) with silver ground effects.

Peace,

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Old May 23, 2001 | 02:14 PM
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I think everyone on here has given you good advice,the car is sweet,just take care of it,some people dont know how to do that at a young age,all my cars have been camaros and so far i have had 3 and they always looked good when i got them and even better when i sold them for a new project,i agreethat when you do performance upgrades you also need to do suspension upgrades to keep that power on the road.

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If it aint a V-8 that $hit aint fast!,unless its a GN,lol!

305 tpi,700r-4 with shift kit,My mods are minimal,just a bunch of little $hit.Anyone know where to get underdrive pulleys for a v-belt set up?
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Old May 23, 2001 | 09:09 PM
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Hey cbpldc!!!
Thanks for your comments and essentials!!!
Just trying to save up bit of money - have a good general idea of the car and mods!!!
And yes ill be putting up a website full of pics of different cars - should i post ricers or no???
But ill let u know - when its up and running!!!
A question to all though - when i shift into any gear - drive or reverse - the car gives a little jolt???
Any reason why that happens???
Thanks!!!
Jay

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