paint the engine bay?
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paint the engine bay?
hey guys i have a black iroc and next spring i plan on paint the whole car ierther GM sunset orange metallic or Crysler sunburst orange pearl/metallic. i know i can paint the door jams and all the other parts of the car orange fairly easily with a little masking tape work but i dont know what do about the engine bay yet. i dont want to pull the engine to do the paint in there, but should i pull some of the accesories and paint what i can of the inner fenders or leave the hole engine bay the gray color that it is now? any pictures of what other people have done may help me make up my mind. ps the paint in the engine bay is pretty clean and rust free.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
if the black paint is in good shape under the hood, it would not look out of place. I have a Bright red car with a blacked out engine bay, and it looks fine.
If you want to put color in there, you wont need to pull the engine out, but you should take EVERYTHING else off. I mean headlights, the nose, the radiator, condenser, radiator support, battery coolant/washer bottles, everything you can off the firewall, and even pull the wiring harness for the headlight out back to the firewall, and even the strut towers if you can. that way, you can properly prep all the surfaces and get paint everywhere, and behind everything. You can probably get away without taking off the brake booster, but try to get everything off you can possible can for the best result.
Ive got pictures from when i did my engine swap and stripped and painted the engine bay, granted the engine is not in there, but you get the idea.
and I can almost gaurentee there is rust/rot uinder the battery, and maybe in the lower radiator support
this is a pic of my engine bay, with the paint almost completely gone

a fender well, and firewall almost done

battery tray replacement part, and radiator support modification

bay in painting progress

motor and most things back on,

almost finished product

sorry 56k
hey , you asked for it
If you want to put color in there, you wont need to pull the engine out, but you should take EVERYTHING else off. I mean headlights, the nose, the radiator, condenser, radiator support, battery coolant/washer bottles, everything you can off the firewall, and even pull the wiring harness for the headlight out back to the firewall, and even the strut towers if you can. that way, you can properly prep all the surfaces and get paint everywhere, and behind everything. You can probably get away without taking off the brake booster, but try to get everything off you can possible can for the best result.
Ive got pictures from when i did my engine swap and stripped and painted the engine bay, granted the engine is not in there, but you get the idea.
and I can almost gaurentee there is rust/rot uinder the battery, and maybe in the lower radiator support
this is a pic of my engine bay, with the paint almost completely gone

a fender well, and firewall almost done

battery tray replacement part, and radiator support modification

bay in painting progress

motor and most things back on,

almost finished product

sorry 56k
hey , you asked for it
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Re: paint the engine bay?
Im doing my 87 roc the same way this winer....motor will be in so it may be a bit harder. Most of the muscle cars back in the day were the same...or at least alot that i have seen restored.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
86 is that an aftermarket aluminum block of some sort or didja just paint a factory block silver?
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Re: paint the engine bay?
if the black paint is in good shape under the hood, it would not look out of place. I have a Bright red car with a blacked out engine bay, and it looks fine.
If you want to put color in there, you wont need to pull the engine out, but you should take EVERYTHING else off. I mean headlights, the nose, the radiator, condenser, radiator support, battery coolant/washer bottles, everything you can off the firewall, and even pull the wiring harness for the headlight out back to the firewall, and even the strut towers if you can. that way, you can properly prep all the surfaces and get paint everywhere, and behind everything. You can probably get away without taking off the brake booster, but try to get everything off you can possible can for the best result.
Ive got pictures from when i did my engine swap and stripped and painted the engine bay, granted the engine is not in there, but you get the idea.
and I can almost gaurentee there is rust/rot uinder the battery, and maybe in the lower radiator support
this is a pic of my engine bay, with the paint almost completely gone

a fender well, and firewall almost done

battery tray replacement part, and radiator support modification

bay in painting progress

motor and most things back on,

almost finished product

sorry 56k
hey , you asked for it
If you want to put color in there, you wont need to pull the engine out, but you should take EVERYTHING else off. I mean headlights, the nose, the radiator, condenser, radiator support, battery coolant/washer bottles, everything you can off the firewall, and even pull the wiring harness for the headlight out back to the firewall, and even the strut towers if you can. that way, you can properly prep all the surfaces and get paint everywhere, and behind everything. You can probably get away without taking off the brake booster, but try to get everything off you can possible can for the best result.
Ive got pictures from when i did my engine swap and stripped and painted the engine bay, granted the engine is not in there, but you get the idea.
and I can almost gaurentee there is rust/rot uinder the battery, and maybe in the lower radiator support
this is a pic of my engine bay, with the paint almost completely gone

a fender well, and firewall almost done

battery tray replacement part, and radiator support modification

bay in painting progress

motor and most things back on,

almost finished product

sorry 56k
hey , you asked for it
Impressive work! and nice photos as well.
I too 2nd the choice on leaving it blacked out
with the color change.. But, it could go either way.
Being black under the hood will keep it visually
clean for a long time.. good for street/strip cars!
But, there is nothing like having a solid 1 color car
throughout.. show cars especially!
If you want perfection, Id advise pulling the block
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Re: paint the engine bay?
i cant speak for every one, but i know my car is not a show car. it is pretty much stock and i dont have a hole lot of time or money to make it a show car. It is going to be more of daily driver with a custom touch. the only reasson it is getting new paint is because the body needs some work and the front end is about 3 different colors right now. lol. for about $700 i can paint it myself or have maaco do a half *ssed paint job. iether way it will still be fun to drive!!!
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Re: paint the engine bay?
hey, 86TA, what power steering pump mount did you use? I can't make it out in the photo....can you post/send me a closer look?
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Re: paint the engine bay?
One tip if you plan to leave the engine in...aluminum foil. You can mold it around areas you don't want to remove and it is a great masker. It works great...try it.
BTW...leave the bay black...it will look cleaner longer...and a lot easier to touch up.
BTW...leave the bay black...it will look cleaner longer...and a lot easier to touch up.
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very clean install...congrats!
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Re: paint the engine bay?
That engine bay does look very nice and "business-like" in black, I like it!
I sandblasted my whole engine bay down to bare metal and painted/clearcoated it when I did the color change on my car. I'm very happy with the results (although it's not perfect, since it was my first time spraying), and I like the 1-color look, but the black looks good too...I think it's up to personal preference
it went from this:

to this:

and finally ended up like this:


(sorry, she's a little dirty there from the painting/wet-sanding/buffing, but you get the idea
)
My general vote is for body color engine bay, since that's what these cars came with from the factory, but like I said, the black can look very nice too (as on 86TA's car)!!!!
It will DEFINITELY be a LOT easier to do if the engine is pulled, but I know you can do it with the engine in, it'll just take a little more time to get in the nooks and crannies when you're sanding. Lots of people fully detail out the engine bay without pulling the engine and have it come out looking great!
-Paul
I sandblasted my whole engine bay down to bare metal and painted/clearcoated it when I did the color change on my car. I'm very happy with the results (although it's not perfect, since it was my first time spraying), and I like the 1-color look, but the black looks good too...I think it's up to personal preference

it went from this:

to this:

and finally ended up like this:


(sorry, she's a little dirty there from the painting/wet-sanding/buffing, but you get the idea
)My general vote is for body color engine bay, since that's what these cars came with from the factory, but like I said, the black can look very nice too (as on 86TA's car)!!!!
It will DEFINITELY be a LOT easier to do if the engine is pulled, but I know you can do it with the engine in, it'll just take a little more time to get in the nooks and crannies when you're sanding. Lots of people fully detail out the engine bay without pulling the engine and have it come out looking great!
-Paul
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Re: paint the engine bay?
both look fantastic! If I was going to paint the engine bay I would pull the engine (that tin foil trick sounds good too, but just me I would pull it). If you don't want to pull it, leave it black. those photos look just as good as the other.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
I would have to vote for color if the car is not to be a daily driver.
I used the foil 'trick' this last time...



It solves the problem of not having an engine hoist or, if you have limited room for storing a pulled motor.
I used the foil 'trick' this last time...



It solves the problem of not having an engine hoist or, if you have limited room for storing a pulled motor.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
It should be noted, a light colored engine bay will dissipate heat quicker than a dark color but, if your just going for show it doesn't really matter, I guess.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
i find it hard to believe that a light color will dissipate any more heat than a dark color with the hood closed. i realize that light colors reflect light from the sun and dont end up heating up as much as dark colors but with the hood closed there is no light to reflect in the engine bay.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
I use both garbage bags and tin foil. Watever is availible really. Garbage bags puff up a lil, but tin foil holds its form. Notice the minimal amount of tape. But foil is also very delicate, so its a trade off.
I vote engine bay black....
I vote engine bay black....
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Re: paint the engine bay?
i vote for the same color as the car. it can go either way. the way i see it is that your going far as to change the color of your car why stop at the engine bay.
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http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...g?t=1197126717
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Re: paint the engine bay?
dark color soak up heat light colors don't, they reflect heat your engine u'll run cool if you paint the inside black and the outside white but who wants a white engine
Re: paint the engine bay?
I like both ways. I like what Chip Foose thinks " I like to give the engine compartment that jewelry box effect. Open it up and there is a nice shiny engine like a diamond in a box." or something like that. Likes to keep is simple, and make the engine the main item that stands out under the hood.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
dark color soak up heat light colors don't
Actually, rather than thinking of them as absorbers of heat, darker colors are
better absorbers of light and thereby become better radiators of heat.
Consider the following:
The color of an object depends on the wavelengths of colors reflected from the
object. A red apple is red because red wavelengths in white light are
reflected and other wavelengths are absorbed. In fact, if a red apple were to be
illuminated by light that had no red wavelengths, the apple would appear
almost black.
When a black object is illuminated by white light, all wavelengths are absorbed
and none are reflected -- that's why the object appears black. I learned this
the hard way one dark night when I tried to use my flashlight locate a Black
Angus steer that had escaped our pen. All I could see when I shined the light
on the steer were two glowing eyes.
Getting back to the point; when light is absorbed by a black object, the energy
carried by the light doesn't just disappear. Rather, it raises the energy of
the object doing the absorbing. The object, in turn, releases the absorbed
energy by emitting longer wavelength, lower energy infrared (heat). This
transformation of light into heat is the key to understanding the process
because it accounts for the law of conservation of energy. Light just doesn't
disappear when it strikes a black object -- it's transformed into another kind
of radiation that is either radiated from or retained within the black
object.
The darker the object, the better its emission of heat because it is a better
absorber of light.
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better absorbers of light and thereby become better radiators of heat.
Consider the following:
The color of an object depends on the wavelengths of colors reflected from the
object. A red apple is red because red wavelengths in white light are
reflected and other wavelengths are absorbed. In fact, if a red apple were to be
illuminated by light that had no red wavelengths, the apple would appear
almost black.
When a black object is illuminated by white light, all wavelengths are absorbed
and none are reflected -- that's why the object appears black. I learned this
the hard way one dark night when I tried to use my flashlight locate a Black
Angus steer that had escaped our pen. All I could see when I shined the light
on the steer were two glowing eyes.
Getting back to the point; when light is absorbed by a black object, the energy
carried by the light doesn't just disappear. Rather, it raises the energy of
the object doing the absorbing. The object, in turn, releases the absorbed
energy by emitting longer wavelength, lower energy infrared (heat). This
transformation of light into heat is the key to understanding the process
because it accounts for the law of conservation of energy. Light just doesn't
disappear when it strikes a black object -- it's transformed into another kind
of radiation that is either radiated from or retained within the black
object.
The darker the object, the better its emission of heat because it is a better
absorber of light.
Regards,
ProfHoff
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...0/phy00156.htm
I mentioned it to my wife and she kind of agreed with the idea so I had to look it up.
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Re: paint the engine bay?
long explaintion aside I'm still right....right? lol I mean sort of where does Heat energy go when it cools off.... Never mind this isnt what the Topics about.....
I say paint the enigne bay
I say paint the enigne bay
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Re: paint the engine bay?
i like both but after painting my 86 t/a engine bay the body color two or three times i got tired of the white getting dirty so easy under the hood so i i ended up painting it all black turned out nice easy to touch up given you do see dust easy but you dont see grease and or oil and hand prints
i even pained the engine bay of my 82 black and it was red and looked good but i decided since it was out to do it black because of how well my 86 bay turned out .well your choice but i like both
i even pained the engine bay of my 82 black and it was red and looked good but i decided since it was out to do it black because of how well my 86 bay turned out .well your choice but i like both Joined: Sep 2004
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Re: paint the engine bay?
^^^^^ that car is bad *** its in High Performance Pontiac mag nice work :P
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Re: paint the engine bay?

I might still send it in anyway...can't hurt

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