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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 07:13 PM
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Car painting

I am in the process of tearing my car apart for a new paint job this spring. The doors have to come off to repair some rust along the bottom. Would it matter if the doors were on or off the car when I repainted?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Re: Car painting

It doesn't really matter. You can do either. But, putting the heavy doors back on after you paint is just asking for scratches and gouges in the fresh paint.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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Re: Car painting

It doesn't really matter unless it's a metallic, then they might not match if you don't paint them while they're off the car.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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Re: Car painting

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It doesn't really matter unless it's a metallic, then they might not match if you don't paint them while they're off the car.
What????? When we mix paint it is to a specific formula, Do you mean if you paint them at a seperate time? either way they should always match unless you just mix a custom color and do not record the exact formula. Now if you add a pearle that will throw in wrench in things if you just mix it in with the clear. I always paint cutoms totally apart, the shell is first then all the parts go in the booth later. Putting a car together takes a bit of time, and you can use tape to help prevent scratches.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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Re: Car painting

The way I understood it was that pressure, humidity and angle would all affect the way the metallic would lay down, and possibly change the color. So I figured it would be easier to have the doors match the rest if they got sprayed on the car - especially with the cheaper base/clears

I haven't sprayed more than a fender yet though, but that's what all the reading I've done on painting said haha
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Re: Car painting

10-4, if you use factory pack paint it will always match, exceppt for sun fade an such and thats where you tint and blend the paint
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Re: Car painting

Always spray the doors off the car. This way you can get to the jams at all angles as well as the bottom and front of the doors.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 10:03 PM
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Re: Car painting

Thats if people are willing to pay for that extra step, lots just want a scuff and squirt.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 10:22 PM
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Re: Car painting

Taking his doors off anyway. Its not an extra step. The "quick" way("scuff and squirt") isn't the right way to do anything. I would never buy a car that was repainted and wasn't painted in the door jams or under the doors, just shows the lack of effort/funds across the board.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 10:23 PM
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Re: Car painting

It is best to do the jams and then rehang the doors and fenders for the final painting, PARTICULARLY when doing metallics: it 'flows' evenly when they are all in the same orientation. Plus, as has been said, it is asking for chips and scratches trying to hang freshly painted panels...
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 10:38 PM
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Re: Car painting

Hey droptop,
Can't you get a scuff and squirt at a massage parlor?!?!
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 11:06 PM
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Re: Car painting

No, no - that's a rub and tug.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:34 AM
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Re: Car painting

Originally Posted by blackbmagic
Taking his doors off anyway. Its not an extra step. The "quick" way("scuff and squirt") isn't the right way to do anything. I would never buy a car that was repainted and wasn't painted in the door jams or under the doors, just shows the lack of effort/funds across the board.
Never said it was, but when you are in business to make money (and who isnt) you do not do what they do not pay for. People come in all the time and hear the price and say "well what if you doont do this, or we skip this" I had an import come in and gave him a price. He wanted to change color, after hearing the price he said "well how much if you dont paint under the hood and stuff".I have seen cars at a local cruise night with crap paint jobs, some people will not spend the money. Trust me I have restored 100s of cars over my 25 years in the business. I told my wife when I retire I plan to build one or two cars a year. I will do them the way I want and then send them to Mechum to be sold, this way no one can tell me how or what they want, those days will be over.

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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Re: Car painting

Simple spray patterns can affect the settling of metallics which will give the illusion that there is a mismatch in color. Paint it with the doors on if you intend to do anything other than a solid color.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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Re: Car painting

like everyone else has said, metallics need to be sprayed with the doors on the car so the metallics settle evenly. if youre just spraying flat colors you can spray them off, but they need to be sprayed at the same time. all kinds of variables from temp to humidity to the way you hold the gun can affect the overall color. spraying everything at once cuts down on those variables and you have less color difference between panels.

ive personally seen 2 panels painted with the same premixed gallon of paint 6 months apart and you could see a noticeable color difference between the two. and it was the same exact paint.
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