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Old 04-09-2003, 12:27 PM
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I have to put new pads and rotors on all 4 tires. Can anyone recommend some good pads and rotors? Are slotted rotors really better?
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as far as pads go, i have had good luck with the Performance Friction Carbon Metallics that you canget at autozone. i am sure there are better ones out there available through mail order or whatever, but for a relatively cheap store-bought pad, they are pretty good.

as far as rotors go, i have heard to stay away from slotted ones...the slots are only for looks on a street car, and can actually cause problems with the rotors if they get too hot.

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Old 04-09-2003, 01:55 PM
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What about Cross-drilled?????
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Ok, time to mess you up.

I did NOT like the PFCM pads. They didn't work real good if they were cold, and I had them on my 4x4 so I really got worried a few times. I'm running Raybestos (The BEST in brakes ) ceramic pads now and I like them, less dusting and squeaking. (Raybestos on the truck) On my Iroc, I'm running EBC Greenstuff street pads (www.tirerack.com) and I like them but they dust up a bit. On my RS, I have mid-line Raybestos pads, $16.99 a set and they stop it well with average dusting.

Also, slotted rotors are GOOD for a street car, they get rid of the gasses and assist in braking. Drilled rotors are prone to cracking when they get hot.

The rotor info has been posted before, but you can do a search for more info.

Congrats to 'Cuse!

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Ok, time to mess you up.

I did NOT like the PFCM pads. They didn't work real good if they were cold, and I had them on my 4x4 so I really got worried a few times. I'm running Raybestos (The BEST in brakes ) ceramic pads now and I like them, less dusting and squeaking. (Raybestos on the truck) On my Iroc, I'm running EBC Greenstuff street pads (www.tirerack.com) and I like them but they dust up a bit. On my RS, I have mid-line Raybestos pads, $16.99 a set and they stop it well with average dusting.

Also, slotted rotors are GOOD for a street car, they get rid of the gasses and assist in braking. Drilled rotors are prone to cracking when they get hot.

The rotor info has been posted before, but you can do a search for more info.

Congrats to 'Cuse!

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yeah, i heard raybestos are better...but they were WAY too expensive (pep boys wanted twice the PFCM) and had to be ordered last time i did a brake job.

i think i got confused between the slotted and drilled ones...you are right...drilled crack under high temps. but i DID hear that the slotted ones are slotted more for marketing appeal rather than braking performance...at least a lot that are available.

and, yes, THE 'CUSE IS IN THE HOUSE!!!

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I got the PF pads from autozone. After years of driving with them, I am not impressed. They barely stop when cold. But I did like the lifetime warranty offered by Autozone. Haven't had to chance to try out my new Hawk pads yet.
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I don't like the PFCM's either. I was taking a freeway interchange the other day and there was some construction off to the side, they had some boards up so you couldn't see ahead too far around the curve. Wouldn't you know it, car's were stopped. I stood on the brakes, PFCM's were cold and thought I was going to end up 4 cars deep in a pile. Well it took a couple seconds for them to warm up, once they did I stopped with a couple car lengths to spare. Two other cars from the other lane dove into the weeds. PFCM's can be scary. I don't like having to remind myself to "Hold on, their great when there warm" when you're in a panic situation.
I hear the EBC Green stuff pads are pretty good. I think I'll look them up or Ratbestos next time.
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i've had two different sets of crossdrilled slotted rotors on my car.

gm performance parts and now baer. i don't notice any difference with the rotors that's worth writing about.

when i added the braided lines to my stock setup from earls it made a world of difference. i also had gm performance best pad they had which was nice but basically left the least amount of dust on my wheels.

besides going with an aftermarket, the braided lines are the best upgrade to a good working system.
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Stillen pads and rotors, I've run these for years- nothing better.
I currently have EBC on a car that I have always run Stillen pads (wanted to try them because of popular concensis)-They suck point blank. They lock much too easily under hard pressure and chassis altering initial bite ( not smooth and controllable)- I wasted my money- I'm pulling them out next week and going back to Stillen metal-matrix.
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I agree. I have PFCM pads and they totally suck when cold. I am in the process of swapping them out right now.

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FWIW - I just swapped my Performance Friction Carbon Metallic pads for a set of Bendix OE replacement pads (titanium metallic). Only $29 from Advance Auto. I was extremely surprised at the quality of these el-cheapo pads. The back-plate is zinc washed gold to prevent rusting. The pads themselves have more surface area than the PFCM. Performance is night and day. The Bendix pads actually stop my car. I had maybe 100 miles on the PFCM pads and I just tossed them into the garbage. What a waste of money.

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What up ED!

Yeah...same here on the Performance Friction (they should have called them "Fraction of Performance"! pads)


You guys like that?

Yeah...I am def going to trash them as soon as I regain enough patience to work on my brakes again.
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Same here, Traxion. I ALWAYS use the Bendix semi-met's, MKD-154's. The car stops pretty damned well with the pads; I've never even considered trying a "performance" brake pad!

Tried a set of no-name "Metalazer" pads once on the front when I was completely broke; they almost killed me. There's nothing like trying to come to a dead stop, suddenly smelling the brakes burning- and winding up with NO BRAKES. Damned pads were well broken in, too. That weekend I changed the pads out, even though those cheapies still had many many miles left on 'em.

Supposedly the Bendix backing plate is extra-thick, which helps heat dissipation better. And they've been putting those built-in shims on for the past few years, too; I've never had to use anti-squeak on the backing plates since they started with the shims.
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I also use Bendix.
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Wow - other Bendix lovers! These pads totally rock for a street car. My brakes have never been better than they are now. I can't say enough about these Bendix pads for street use. Tom is on the money with the PN (MKD-154) ... and that price just cannot be beat for such a quality brake pad. From now on Bendix will be the first choice for all of my cars so long as they are available.

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Yeah, I really looked into break pads a lot before I bought them. It seemed that the Bendix were suppossed to be one of the best pads out there and they were available locally so I got them. I have no complaints.

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