2010 Camaro Brembos On 3rd Gen
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2010 Camaro Brembos On 3rd Gen
Has anyone run across any information on this setup yet? It looks like the 2010 SS gets this very nice setup and comes with Brembo rotors also, I was told. Be a great setup, if it will work on a 3rd generation guy.
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I picked up a complete caliper/rotor set this morning from a 2010 SS Camaro. They look like Brembos for sure. The front calipers are pretty massive compared to the stock 3rd generation guys. The 2010 had less then 200 miles on the odometer. The front caliper is closer to the bottom of the picture.
What I have found out so far about putting these guys on a 3rd gen car. The stock Brembo rotors for the 2010 has a spindle opening of 58 mm. The spindle hole must be taken out to around 61 mm for it to work on the older cars. 18" rims or bigger has to be used with this setup for the rotor to fit inside the rim. The LS guys are doing this conversion right now for their 4th gen cars, so I am almost sure these Brembo guys will work on a 3rd gen cars also.
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I've done the front setup and I now have a rear caliper so I can move onto the rears as well. There's an issue with the e-brake and rotor but I'll work through it in time.
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I was sent this link by my friend who pointed me in this direction for this Brembo setup on 3rd gen Camaros. I haven't looked at the thread as of yet, but my friend says it has most of the information in it to do the swap into the LS cars. I am sure GM has used the LS Camaro's platform as much as they could in the new 2010 Camaro's pieces.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/suspen...s-4th-gen.html
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/suspen...s-4th-gen.html
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I have the fronts from ed.. pretty easy bolt on with the right adapters and rotor honed bigger for the hub
The rears should be on shortly on my moser 12 bolt.. little tougher for that part
The rears should be on shortly on my moser 12 bolt.. little tougher for that part
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"Whats with the bizarre looking "rollers" on the top of that caliper."
Those are weights put on the pads to stop them from making noise. The CTS-Vs had problems with this same caliper setup. The early model calipers had the weights glued on I believe. Those weights in the picture are of the clip on design which is the newest edition to the caliper.
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Did you use Ed's front brake hoses for your Brembo setup off the 2010 Camaro and are you going to run a 38 MM offset rim because of the bigger caliper? I have read nothing but very positive comments about Ed's work at Fly and Bye. I would like to order everything all at once if possible from Ed, because it seems like Ed is a very busy guy work wise.
"Whats with the bizarre looking "rollers" on the top of that caliper."
Those are weights put on the pads to stop them from making noise. The CTS-Vs had problems with this same caliper setup. The early model calipers had the weights glued on I believe. Those weights in the picture are of the clip on design which is the newest edition to the caliper.
"Whats with the bizarre looking "rollers" on the top of that caliper."
Those are weights put on the pads to stop them from making noise. The CTS-Vs had problems with this same caliper setup. The early model calipers had the weights glued on I believe. Those weights in the picture are of the clip on design which is the newest edition to the caliper.
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I have the Brembo setup also.. I am currently waiting on bracketry from Ed. When they show up and I get them installed I will flood the brake board with photos..
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I was interested in either the CTSV or 2010 SS brakes and was wondering what the difference is between the two? Calipers seem very similar and use the same brake pads.
2010 SS brake calipers:
-weights to address squeaking(tape on or clip on)
-rotors are 5-bolt pattern but smaller centers register hole which needs to be enlarged to fit 3rd gen hub assemblies.
-they are running larger mounting bolts
Instead of running the 2010 SS rotors, can we run the C6 Z06 rotors just like the CTSV kits run?
2010 SS brake calipers:
-weights to address squeaking(tape on or clip on)
-rotors are 5-bolt pattern but smaller centers register hole which needs to be enlarged to fit 3rd gen hub assemblies.
-they are running larger mounting bolts
Instead of running the 2010 SS rotors, can we run the C6 Z06 rotors just like the CTSV kits run?
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Re: 2010 Camaro Brembos On 3rd Gen
I was interested in either the CTSV or 2010 SS brakes and was wondering what the difference is between the two? Calipers seem very similar and use the same brake pads.
2010 SS brake calipers:
-weights to address squeaking(tape on or clip on)
-rotors are 5-bolt pattern but smaller centers register hole which needs to be enlarged to fit 3rd gen hub assemblies.
-they are running larger mounting bolts
Instead of running the 2010 SS rotors, can we run the C6 Z06 rotors just like the CTSV kits run?
2010 SS brake calipers:
-weights to address squeaking(tape on or clip on)
-rotors are 5-bolt pattern but smaller centers register hole which needs to be enlarged to fit 3rd gen hub assemblies.
-they are running larger mounting bolts
Instead of running the 2010 SS rotors, can we run the C6 Z06 rotors just like the CTSV kits run?
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Swap the pads with a different set and the weights go away, problem solved. I'm currently working on the rear Brembos on a 9 bolt and will post up when done.
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The thing I don't understand is why bother with these SS calipers with all the noise problems when the CTS-V brembos seem to perform just as well and have none of the issues.
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If you do that, does the brake squeal come back? I would think so unless you mass load the pad or caliper in another way.
The thing I don't understand is why bother with these SS calipers with all the noise problems when the CTS-V brembos seem to perform just as well and have none of the issues.
The thing I don't understand is why bother with these SS calipers with all the noise problems when the CTS-V brembos seem to perform just as well and have none of the issues.
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I don't know, I think it's the pads. For some reason they seem to be underweight. I have seen other vehicles with stock brembos that also have those weights; example Porsche Cayman.
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Caymans use a completely different style caliper. It is from Brembo but it's radially mounted and is going to have a different mass and resonant frequency. And for what it's worth, I think the SS caliper and ctsV caliper are the same sans different colored powdercoat.
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The brembo setup is a quality brake package, no doubt. In fact if Ed made a brembo kit to fit under the stock 16" wheels I'd have it rather than my Wilwoods. However I would be nervous removing those weights without consequence. Just something for a potential purchaser to think about.
The question is will this setup with the weights still clear 18" wheels?
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I agree with everything you said. My point is rather I believe the problem lies in the light weight caliper and pad design. There is nothing else light enough in a brake/suspension setup to resonate at that high of a frequency.
The brembo setup is a quality brake package, no doubt. In fact if Ed made a brembo kit to fit under the stock 16" wheels I'd have it rather than my Wilwoods. However I would be nervous removing those weights without consequence. Just something for a potential purchaser to think about.
The question is will this setup with the weights still clear 18" wheels?
The brembo setup is a quality brake package, no doubt. In fact if Ed made a brembo kit to fit under the stock 16" wheels I'd have it rather than my Wilwoods. However I would be nervous removing those weights without consequence. Just something for a potential purchaser to think about.
The question is will this setup with the weights still clear 18" wheels?
Like I said, I think the SS brembos are the same as the ctsV brembos. So my hypothesis, albeit untested, is that it's just the funky combination of the rotors/pads/calipers/hubs on the SS that make noise.
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The only consequence you'd have is noise. It's only detrimental to your ears and doesn't kill brake performance. It's just annoying. If you have track pads in those brembos, you're going to be making that squealing anyways.
Like I said, I think the SS brembos are the same as the ctsV brembos. So my hypothesis, albeit untested, is that it's just the funky combination of the rotors/pads/calipers/hubs on the SS that make noise.
Like I said, I think the SS brembos are the same as the ctsV brembos. So my hypothesis, albeit untested, is that it's just the funky combination of the rotors/pads/calipers/hubs on the SS that make noise.
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The only consequence you'd have is noise. It's only detrimental to your ears and doesn't kill brake performance. It's just annoying. If you have track pads in those brembos, you're going to be making that squealing anyways.
Like I said, I think the SS brembos are the same as the ctsV brembos. So my hypothesis, albeit untested, is that it's just the funky combination of the rotors/pads/calipers/hubs on the SS that make noise.
Like I said, I think the SS brembos are the same as the ctsV brembos. So my hypothesis, albeit untested, is that it's just the funky combination of the rotors/pads/calipers/hubs on the SS that make noise.
Race pads are different, and the noise is unavoidable when cold. But when you're using race pads, you are on the track anyway. No reason to run race pads on the street.
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I wonder if we can fit the SS brakes with the hub conversion, can we use the same hub from flynbye.com and use z06 or even zr1 rotors and calipers! I mean its the same bolt pattern and im running a 10x20 and a 13x20 wheel front and rear so clearnace is not an issue..
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The new 2010 brakes are awsome. I did some cruising in my buddies Black SS and for a pig of a car it can stop and turn in ways that make me a little jelous when thinking about my completely modified GTA.
Which brings me to my next question. I have had Ebmiller LS1 conversion on my GTA for 7 years now. It has been absolutely awsome, but seeing all theses 6 and 4 piston variants are making me curious. So do I need to ditch everything I have now, and reinvest another 1000 or so? Or can I reuse some of what I got?
Which brings me to my next question. I have had Ebmiller LS1 conversion on my GTA for 7 years now. It has been absolutely awsome, but seeing all theses 6 and 4 piston variants are making me curious. So do I need to ditch everything I have now, and reinvest another 1000 or so? Or can I reuse some of what I got?
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Which brings me to my next question. I have had Ebmiller LS1 conversion on my GTA for 7 years now. It has been absolutely awsome, but seeing all theses 6 and 4 piston variants are making me curious. So do I need to ditch everything I have now, and reinvest another 1000 or so? Or can I reuse some of what I got?
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You sir, have never driven anything European have you. Hell, have you even driven a Cobalt SS turbo? If you want performance brakes your going to have to sacrafice something, and its usually noise and dust. But when you hit the hooks those things STOP.
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Thats BS. There is no excuse for brake noise on the street. My Wilwoods don't make noise, my roomates Cayman S with Brembos don't make noise. My dad's Z51 Vette's brakes don't squeal. Give me one good reason why street brakes should make noise? And are you trying to tell me all European cars have brake squeal?
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The thread can be very useful to members, so please don't stray too far from the topic.
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The problem with the noise is the noise. Maybe I'm ****. But for me its unacceptable for a street car to be making any brake noise on the STREET. Brake squeal is not a designed in feature, as you know.
Race pads are different, and the noise is unavoidable when cold. But when you're using race pads, you are on the track anyway. No reason to run race pads on the street.
Race pads are different, and the noise is unavoidable when cold. But when you're using race pads, you are on the track anyway. No reason to run race pads on the street.
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The pads are what cause the noise most of the time. GM supposedly fixed them by adding those weights to the pads. I'm guessing that worked, but can't confirm. I have also heard changing to other brands will help.
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My dad's Z51 Vette's brakes don't squeal.
Give me one good reason why street brakes should make noise?
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Updates for the rears, yes. I test installed the rear SS Brembos on a 9 bolt last night. I had also planned to install the C5s (no e-brake) but didn't get to it, I'll have to redesign the bracket a little. On to the Brembos.
I used a 3.27 9 bolt with factory discs. Remove the stock rotors, calipers, and brake lines.
Brembo rear brakes to be installed, and a test caliper. Thanks to John H. (CA) for sending it to me. I also picked up a set of brand spankin' new rear calipers a few weeks ago. Large factory 14.5" rear rotors are used.
A great thing on 9 bolts...no C clips. This rear end looks very clean inside.
Once the rotors and calipers are off, remove the (4) axle retaining bolts with a 9/16" wrench.
Give the axle a few light taps with a soft mallet and the axle comes out.
Install the adpater bracket and reinstall the axle. It's a good idea to replace the seals and bearings while you have the axle out.
More to come....
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I used a 3.27 9 bolt with factory discs. Remove the stock rotors, calipers, and brake lines.
Brembo rear brakes to be installed, and a test caliper. Thanks to John H. (CA) for sending it to me. I also picked up a set of brand spankin' new rear calipers a few weeks ago. Large factory 14.5" rear rotors are used.
A great thing on 9 bolts...no C clips. This rear end looks very clean inside.
Once the rotors and calipers are off, remove the (4) axle retaining bolts with a 9/16" wrench.
Give the axle a few light taps with a soft mallet and the axle comes out.
Install the adpater bracket and reinstall the axle. It's a good idea to replace the seals and bearings while you have the axle out.
More to come....
Ed
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The SS rotors have a recessed retaining screw which helps to keep the rotor in place. If you install these you'll notice the stud holes are larger than those on the stock 3rd gens so using the retaining bolt is suggested here.
With the rotor retained with lugs, use a transfer punch to center the hole, then drill and tap it for a M8 bolt as shown.
First holdup is that the caliper won't slide in between the rotor and bracket. The caliper lugs will need to have 1/8" of material machined off the mounting lugs, this is the simplest way to fix this.
To verify this, I installed (3) 1/8" shim washers on 3 of the studs in the axle and reinstalled and it worked.
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With the rotor retained with lugs, use a transfer punch to center the hole, then drill and tap it for a M8 bolt as shown.
First holdup is that the caliper won't slide in between the rotor and bracket. The caliper lugs will need to have 1/8" of material machined off the mounting lugs, this is the simplest way to fix this.
To verify this, I installed (3) 1/8" shim washers on 3 of the studs in the axle and reinstalled and it worked.
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No e-brake yet for the SS Brembos but we're working on it. Bad thing is that you cannot use either the LS1 or C5 backing plates with these rotors as the new SS rotors have an internal drum that has a larger ID than the LS1/C5 drum. Other than the machining issue, they fit very well. Add new hardlines and braided flex lines and you're ready to run.
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No e-brake yet for the SS Brembos but we're working on it. Bad thing is that you cannot use either the LS1 or C5 backing plates with these rotors as the new SS rotors have an internal drum that has a larger ID than the LS1/C5 drum. Other than the machining issue, they fit very well. Add new hardlines and braided flex lines and you're ready to run.
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Oh and Eb i got a question for you in the rear brakes what mods is it that you had to do to install those brakes since here locally theres a guy selling
the fronts and back for $500 and since i seen for the rear you just put the backing plate or did you also have to do other mods.
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Outstanding work Ed! Looks amazing.. can't wait to get it bolted up to my car Am I still gonna be able to fit my 19x10s over all that? Thank you for all your hard work putting this together for us.
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ive seen this before and it looks dam nice with fith gen wheels to go with it
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...Oh and Eb i got a question for you in the rear brakes what mods is it that you had to do to install those brakes since here locally theres a guy selling the fronts and back for $500 and since i seen for the rear you just put the backing plate or did you also have to do other mods.
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Forgive me for askin a silly question, but why does the rear now need new hard lines?
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You'll at least need to modify the passenger side hard line. I'd install new ones in any case.
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Ed.. do you recommend changing out the prop valve or anything of the sort? Also in your write up you mentioned that the caliper bosses need to be machined... I'm not sure I follow exactly what it is you are machining. Please clarify. Thank you.
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Are 2010 Camaro Rear Flex hoses compatible with 3rd gen rear axle brake lines? Are they a direct fit? or is an adapter required?
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