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Old Oct 23, 2024 | 01:20 PM
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Is this sufficient air flow?

IROC transplant into a1955 Chevrolet sedan. I had the filter coming through the radiator support, then just behind as shown. I've even removed the filter entirely! I keep getting Code 34 MAF Sensor Low regardless. Can anyone offer any advice?

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Old Oct 24, 2024 | 09:12 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

Can't imagine this is causing the code. What is the history on the MAF sensor? What brand is it? I don't run a MAF car but have heard the aftermarket units are problematic I think?
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Old Oct 26, 2024 | 11:27 AM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

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Can't imagine this is causing the code. What is the history on the MAF sensor? What brand is it? I don't run a MAF car but have heard the aftermarket units are problematic I think?

New Delphi AF 10320 MAF Sensor, new harness.

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Old Oct 26, 2024 | 12:24 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

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New Delphi AF 10320 MAF Sensor, new harness.

Mike
Have you checked the burn off relay?
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Old Oct 26, 2024 | 03:48 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

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Have you checked the burn off relay?
Although it is new, I just removed it from its mount on the firewall, tucked up under the dash, and checked it. Yes, it's good.

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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 08:45 AM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

That MAF should be correct for a 1986-up system. Can you measure the analog output from the sensor with the engine running and report the values?
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 02:31 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

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That MAF should be correct for a 1986-up system. Can you measure the analog output from the sensor with the engine running and report the values?

Is this what you are looking for?

Mike





​​​​​​COULD LOW TPS VOLTAGE AFFECT IT? I'M SEEING DESIRED .54 +/- .075. .44 ISN'T MUCH LOWER, BUT IT IS LOWER.



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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 04:09 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

That filter seems too small in my opinion. Are you pulling vacuum under load?
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Old Oct 29, 2024 | 04:29 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

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That filter seems too small in my opinion. Are you pulling vacuum under load?

It also happens with the filter removed.

I don't have a vacuum gauge installed... Where would you recommend checking it at?

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Old Oct 30, 2024 | 09:23 AM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

I was more curious about the actual voltage measured at the MAF, and not the converted g/S value that the ECM thinks it is seeing.
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Old Oct 30, 2024 | 09:33 AM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

Originally Posted by Vader
I was more curious about the actual voltage measured at the MAF, and not the converted g/S value that the ECM thinks it is seeing.
I took a picture of every screen of the OBD1 while checking for errors, and none of them had that category. Is it something I need to physically check?

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Old Oct 30, 2024 | 10:58 AM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

You can't read the maf voltage with a simple scan tool. It can be done with modified programming and more sophisticated scanning/tuning tools that can also be modified accordingly.

However, the MAF voltage would be between 0.00-0.090 volts (calibration dependent), which is why it is setting a Code 34. Are we sure that the maf is even being powered? Check the maf power relay and related wiring.

6 gm/sec would be about 0.00 volts (if using a 305 bin like APYS) which is less than the 0.140 volt threshold, so this value is consistent with the Code 34 failure detection settings. Sorry, I tend to forget about 305 bins.

MAF Table #1 (from APYS)

Volts Grams/sec

01.46 21.40
01.28 17.02
01.10 13.41
00.91 10.40
00.73 7.99
00.55 5.93
00.37 4.38
00.18 3.35
00.00 6.02


6 gm/sec would be about 0.090 volts (if using a 350 bin like ARAP) which is also less than the 0.140 volt threshold.

MAF Table #1 (from ABTC)

Volts Grams/sec

01.46 22.37
01.28 17.77
01.10 13.98
00.91 10.91
00.73 8.39
00.55 6.22
00.37 4.51
00.18 3.25
00.00 8.39


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Old Nov 2, 2024 | 08:56 PM
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Re: Is this sufficient air flow?

Originally Posted by tequilaboy
You can't read the maf voltage with a simple scan tool. It can be done with modified programming and more sophisticated scanning/tuning tools that can also be modified accordingly.

However, the MAF voltage would be between 0.00-0.090 volts (calibration dependent), which is why it is setting a Code 34. Are we sure that the maf is even being powered? Check the maf power relay and related wiring.

6 gm/sec would be about 0.00 volts (if using a 305 bin like APYS) which is less than the 0.140 volt threshold, so this value is consistent with the Code 34 failure detection settings. Sorry, I tend to forget about 305 bins.

MAF Table #1 (from APYS)

Volts Grams/sec

01.46 21.40
01.28 17.02
01.10 13.41
00.91 10.40
00.73 7.99
00.55 5.93
00.37 4.38
00.18 3.35
00.00 6.02


6 gm/sec would be about 0.090 volts (if using a 350 bin like ARAP) which is also less than the 0.140 volt threshold.

MAF Table #1 (from ABTC)

Volts Grams/sec

01.46 22.37
01.28 17.77
01.10 13.98
00.91 10.91
00.73 8.39
00.55 6.22
00.37 4.51
00.18 3.25
00.00 8.39

Have been sidetracked for a few days, and will be off and on for the coming week, but I want to wrap my head around what you are telling me. Some of this TPI stuff is beyond my scope of my experience, and that's why I am appreciating the fact you are offering assistance. What should be my next step?

Mike
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