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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

so i've been searching but cant find anyone that makes replacement flex lines to replace the factory hardlines. i ended up putting on an adjustable prop valve on the rear line and a 3way T off the fronts. changed over to inverted flare, and after flaring and reflaring my passenger front line is still leaking and too short to reflare it. i want to find factory spec, flex lines, so that i can remove the inverted flare and replace it with a custom bubble flare "T" that i will be making

anyone know of anyone who makes or sells theese, tried "finelinesinc" but they arent too helpfull
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

say again? what lines are you looking to replace? the little ones from the master to the prop, or the ones from the prop to the flex lines at the wheels?

i have a bubble flare female "t". 10mm 1.0

i used AN flares on my 92, easy as pie to make and dont leak. a lot easier to getting fittings for too.
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 09:21 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

its the lines that go from the factory prop valve to the rubber flex hoses that run to the calipers, the "t" needs to be 10mmX1.0 10mmX1.0 and 11mmX1.5

i've been looking into AN fittings aswell, a good selection of adapters, that going to be my next choice if i cant find replacement flex lines with factory fittings, i know you can get universal braided brake line kits with universal AN fittings adapters from summit...
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 11:55 AM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

so you want to replace the entire hard line with a flex line? i dont think thats advisable, or am i still missing something? or do you mean you want new HARD lines?

seriously, just go with AN flares, parts are cheap, they are easy to make, and no need for crazy custom fittings that get expensive quick. Gives you a wide assortment of available flex lines too, that are usually cheaper than earls/russles/ect direct fit bubble flare type lines. they are usually not DOT approved though.
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 02:36 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

i want to replace the whole hardline with a flexline, theres not really any room to replace/run the passenger side hardline withought removing the a header an pulling the motor to get to the line itself, they sell universal flexline brake kits on summit, they say race only, but 90% of all the parts i have on my car are supposed to be race only anyways.... any reason you would advise against them?

the passenger side hardline has been cut and flared so much that its now too short to cut and reflare, so i have to replace it with something......
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

a really long flex line will make the pedal spongy, doesnt matter if its rubber or stainless/teflon. dont do it. there is a reason hardlines are used everywhere possible.

i havent tried on a v8 car, but i was able to unbolt the passengerside brake line on my 92 v6 when i swapped k-members with not problem, so im sure i could have removed it. You probably wont be able to get a pre-bent piece of hardline back in, but im pretty confident you can install a new hardline, that you bend as you go, without removing the engine. Unfortunately, thats what you are going to have to do.

I recommend cunifer tubing, the stuff is the ****. doesnt corrode or rust, bends easy and flares easier than steel line. Cost a bit more, but is worth every penny IMO

the universal lines say race only because they do not have DOT ratings, which are expensive and would raise the cost.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 08:22 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

hey, just wanted to say thanks for the help.... i really didnt know why anyone wouldn't just use flexlines the whole way, it makes sense now....

my new plan is to convert to AN, just got all the fittings figured out and found a cheap 37 degree flare tool.

i will pull my driverside header to give me enough room to cut and reflare, its gonna be short, but do-able. the single AN flares look much easier than the inverted flare...
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 09:01 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

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the single AN flares look much easier than the inverted flare...
oh defiantly, its all done in a single action, and i was able to flare my front lines under the old prop valve right on the car without any problem, v6 car though, a little more room. Im just using Jegs house brand cheep tool, and its works well for the money.

use steel fittings, aluminum will work, but are not nearly as durable, the small amount of added weight, aluminum vs steel, is negligible.

bubble flares are not that bad to make (thats whats on the car, shouldn't be any inverted flares), but fittings are a bit of a pain. Fedhill has most every bubble flare fitting and adapter made, but its still a lot easier and cheaper to use the AN flares.

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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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Re: front hardline replacement with braided flex lines

Originally Posted by 1988-305-tbi
i really didnt know why anyone wouldn't just use flexlines the whole way, it makes sense now....
i actually had the same idea about 10 years ago when the front to rear line blew on my 86. i was going to use a flex lines the whole way, but was told otherwise by the speed shop owner i was going to buy it from.
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