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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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350 watt sub, handle 2500 watts, hows this possible

I went over to the shop the other day, and the guy who owns it has 2 10" Massive like my other post, and hes running 2500watts rms to them

I'm not sure whether or not its 2500 each sub, But still

How can a sub rated at 350 RMS, handle a load of at least 1250watts?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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subs will often handle much more than their max power rating for short periods

it depends if the power is clean (undistorted), music played, and the box specs
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:35 PM
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Well it sounded pretty damn clean, I sat in his car for a sec and my hair was waving....
What makes them able to handle soo much more, and why wouldn't Massive just state their subs able to handle more?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Daishi
Well it sounded pretty damn clean, I sat in his car for a sec and my hair was waving....
What makes them able to handle soo much more, and why wouldn't Massive just state their subs able to handle more?
its not just massives that can handle much more than rated...generally any quality speaker will handle more than rated rms specs as long as it is done properly. Companies often set rms ratings low for warranty purposes, but sometimes if you email them with your box specs and how much power you want to throw at it, they'll give you the ok.

are you sure they were the 350 rms models?? MA subs often look alike between subs. a lot of people claim to be running a lot of power but really arent. what kind of amps was he running?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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Yeah I'm 100% sure it was 350rms.. lemme see if I can find the website.....

http://www.massiveaudio.com/2002/spe...d%20(2002).pdf


It was this one, guess it was only 300watt.

He had an amp that wasn't Massive on there, Not sure what it was tho.
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:54 PM
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did you see the magnets on them?? because all new MA subs look the same
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Yup 100% sure, those were the 10's he had two. His shop just opened so everything was a mess in his car, wires and such everywhere, Those were definitly the two subs
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 02:58 PM
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could also be that the amps were severly overrated
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:01 PM
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could also be that the amps were severly overrated
ya true MA amps are known to be overrated if he was using them
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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He had an amp that wasn't Massive on there, Not sure what it was tho.
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:06 PM
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If I have a 300Watt sub. Can I just get a mono amp that has 350RMS to power it?

That will easily power one sub.. yes?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Daishi
If I have a 300Watt sub. Can I just get a mono amp that has 350RMS to power it?

That will easily power one sub.. yes?
ya your subs are DVC 4ohms so you'll want an amp that puts out 300 watts or so @ 2ohms mono
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:09 PM
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300Watts @ 2ohm Mono will power it perfectly?

I dont need a 2 channel amp if its DVC do I?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Daishi
300Watts @ 2ohm Mono will power it perfectly?

I dont need a 2 channel amp if its DVC do I?
nono, just wire your VCs in parallel...connect both positives and both negatives and you'll be running a 2 ohm load with dual 4 ohm coils
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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Like this?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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just like that
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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yes sir
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 04:54 PM
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So you said something like.. a JBL 300.1 That will power that sub perfectly? Or will it underpower it?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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So you said something like.. a JBL 300.1 That will power that sub perfectly? Or will it underpower it?
wont be under powered...should be just about right for that sub
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 05:08 PM
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You live in BC, what do they go for retail around here?
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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You live in BC, what do they go for retail around here?
you could probably get one for $300-400...i know the 600.1 is about $600 and the 1200.1 is $1200 in stores...or $252american on ebay
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Old Jan 23, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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Actually I was thinking of going with the 301S Rockford

75 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
150 watts RMS x 2 at 2 ohms
300 watts RMS x 1 bridged output at 4 ohms
Stereo or bridged mono output
4-ohm stable in bridged mode
Tri-Way capable
Requires a 10-gauge wiring kit with a 30-amp fuse — wiring and hardware not included
Variable high- and low-pass crossovers (50-250 Hz at 12 dB/octave)
MOSFET power supply and output devices
MEHSA mounting technology increases the heat transfer from the MOSFET output devices to the heat sink, for higher power output, lower operating temperatures, and greater reliability
TOPAZ — noise-killing differential inputs that eliminate 80% of ground loop noise
Trans•ana circuitry keeps preamp voltages low and signal paths simple for outstanding audio quality
NOMAD — advanced protection circuitry for "intelligent" shutdown protection
Selectable Punch Bass (0/6/12 dB boost at 45 Hz)
Speaker- and preamp-level inputs

A buddy of mine can get this amp with a 5 year extended warranty for only a bit over $300.

This way, if later on I want bigger subs, I can then use this amp to power my mids. And it is the perfect Wattage for that Massive sub.
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Old Jan 23, 2004 | 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Daishi
Actually I was thinking of going with the 301S Rockford

75 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
150 watts RMS x 2 at 2 ohms
300 watts RMS x 1 bridged output at 4 ohms
Stereo or bridged mono output
4-ohm stable in bridged mode
Tri-Way capable
Requires a 10-gauge wiring kit with a 30-amp fuse — wiring and hardware not included
Variable high- and low-pass crossovers (50-250 Hz at 12 dB/octave)
MOSFET power supply and output devices
MEHSA mounting technology increases the heat transfer from the MOSFET output devices to the heat sink, for higher power output, lower operating temperatures, and greater reliability
TOPAZ — noise-killing differential inputs that eliminate 80% of ground loop noise
Trans•ana circuitry keeps preamp voltages low and signal paths simple for outstanding audio quality
NOMAD — advanced protection circuitry for "intelligent" shutdown protection
Selectable Punch Bass (0/6/12 dB boost at 45 Hz)
Speaker- and preamp-level inputs

A buddy of mine can get this amp with a 5 year extended warranty for only a bit over $300.

This way, if later on I want bigger subs, I can then use this amp to power my mids. And it is the perfect Wattage for that Massive sub.
that amp wont work because its not stable down to 2 ohms mono
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