i want a system that is real loud, but reasonably light....i don't want a whole bunch of weight back there slowing my car down a whole bunch...i was thinking maybe a single 12 or 15 or soemthing..what do you guys suggest??

 

Well You can go with a lot of different stuff if all you want is loud, but if you sped the money why not go for something that sounds nice? Try RE or Adire, good stuff.

 

If the weight is the big concern I wouldn't go for the 15", i would look for a 8" or 10" That requires a smaller sealed box. That could get you good SQ if you shop smart. If you are more concerned about loud, don't worry about the weight.
So what's the bigger concern? Do you want SQ, loud, or light as your focus? Or where in the balance of all three?

 

you have a corvette 350...i doubt 150lb is gonna really slow it down..now maybe if you had an iron duke under there then you would notice a difference

 

what do you guys think of the SPL2000 12" woofer from pioneer premier...i heard one a while ago, and it sounded good...but i don't know about the durability issues...can they handle some good power or what?? i dont' want to get them and blow them right away....does anybody have any input on these premier subs??

 

i would never buy ANY pioneer sub, and we carry them at my shop. I have never had anything better than a bland mediocre experience with them.


Just throw a nice single 12 that will work in a sealed box, and call it a day.


adam

 

I have an old 12" Pioneer IMPP sub in a sealed box, it sounds ok. I used to have two, but the other one got a hole punched through it form my friends golf clubs....since it was a divided box, all I neede to do was take a sawzall to it and now it is just one!

Last time I used it, it was connected to a 150 watt single channel amp, which was the amplifier board in my Audio Source SW4 home stereo amp (designed for a 4 ohm load), It sounded incredible. This sub is in a sealed box, probaly about .5-.6 cubic feet. I'm sure it's not the best sub in the world, but it's worked fine for me. This was inside my apartment and I never had it more than 10% volume before the niegbors were freaking out. Bass in music and movies was excellent.

A little trick I heard form the JBL guys for going lightwieght was to use open-cell foam and coat it with fiberglass, if you don't mind the mess. The sound is compromised as opposed to MDF, but it will work and it will get loud.

An even better solution is a simple truck box with a good sub. I like the JL Audio 'wedge' like my friend had in his truck. I think it was a 10", it worked great. Against my advice, he powered it with a 150 watt RF amp, it still did ok with that.

 

hahah....XXX's and Brahmas are some of the heaviest subs out there. a single quality 10" with good power is what you want...

bmoney

 

So far people's experiences with the SPL2000 seem to be pretty good, IF your only objective is SPL. It'll get very loud when burped in an SPL competition, but the sound quality for normal usage is, well, it's an SPL sub. It's also insanely heavy. You could put a pair of Shivas back there, get the same SPL, far better sound quality, and keep your overall weight around the same.

Consider a fiberglass enclosure. It'll take up less space and will weigh less.

 

is there a sound difference between a MDF enclousre and a fiberglass??

 

as long as both are constructed PROPERLY, are braced PROPERLY and designed PROPERLY for your application, there is no difference whatsoever.

bmoney

 

I would consider something from Image Dynamics. The IDQ and ID are relatively light, sound good and have a great company backing them up. An IDMAX 10 weighs a twice as much (doesn't have twice the output though) but might be something you consider.

A ID Max 10 in a fiberglass box will probably weigh the same as a IDQ or ID10 with a wood box.

Now, what kind of budget do you have?

Juan

 

Pioneer IMPP subs are crap.. i have one in my car and it sounds mearly decent. also they are really easy to crack the stupid plastic cone. the good part for you is that they dont weigh so much but i guess you should look for better sq instead of spl

 

The pioneer sub in question is a much different sub than their normal IMPP stuff. The sub he's asking about is a purpose-built SPL sub that does its intended job very well.

 

here's a simple truck box I did a while ago with the SPL2000 12" premier subs:

http://members.shaw.ca/installz2/85_S10/85_s10_box.htm

they have a very interesting curve....but I was able to optimize it for the vehicle. lets just say these subs HAUL A$$, even with the whimpy amp he's got driving them.

Sound quality is as good as can be expected from such a sub. not horrible, but not a JL W6 either

bmoney

 

can you give me an idea on how loud it is??

 

depending on the tuning frequency, it should hit at LEAST mid 140's fully powered.

 

its tuned in the 30 hz-ish range at 2 cubic feet per sub. judging by ear alone, the truck is all of mid 140's with the crappy little Boss Audio amplifier driving it. I'd be really surprised if each sub is seeing 200 clean watts to be quite honest.

In november (when money is less tight) the customer is going to run a Visonik 718XD which will deliver over 450 clean RMS watts per driver. I expect the overall output to be in the OMG range...and prolly a low 140's on the new Termlab, very high 140's/low 150's on an RTA.

bmoney

 

thats impressive..so your saying if i get 2 12" spl2000 woofers and like a nice 1500 watt mono amp, i'll be in the hi 140 range on the TL mic in a vented enclousre??

 

no. what we are saying is that given the correct box for the driver, taking into consideration a few variables, such as cabin space, input power among others, you could have a f'n loud system with those two subs.

I can't stand them personally, they have an odd tone to them that i find horribly annoying.

quite honestly, with the right box, you could hit mid 140s with almost any 2 12's that are worth a flip.

 

aha....ur bang on right up to the last 2 lines. sure, "with the right box" tuned for SPL. but it'll sound like a horses a$$. the box i did for these in the S15 pickup actually sounds pretty solid in terms of listening, AND gets loud.

to me, if the box does both (gets loud AND sounds good), you've won. In your example, I agree...I can make ANY 12" sub pound. but at listening levels, unless its a great driver, it'll be crap.

bmoney

 

to be honest, I don't think these subs will take 750 clean watts a piece in a vented design. they're nice, but not that nice

now...when I run my pair of Brahma 12's, and put a 1500 watt monoblock on EACH....now THAT ought to be impressive I'm expecting my Grand Prix to be able to run very high 140's at least on the termlab...

bmoney

 

well that is my opinion, however, i don't remember ever using the 12's.

i have used the tens more times than i like to talk about, and they always have a strange sound that i can't locate.


like i said, you CAN hit mid 140s with two of any decent 12, I absolutely agree that doing it and sounding good doing it might make the sub choice a little harder, but that wasn't the issue of the post.


adam

 

if you re-read what the last poster said about "hitting high 140's on a TL mic". with 750 watts per driver (which those 12's won't take, as I stated) theres NO WAY he'll be that high on the termlab. maybe on the old RTA....but....

I was answering the poster directly....

bmoney

 

ahh, i thought that was directed towards my comment.

no, 750 real watts will rip that driver apart.

 

nothin bumps like an infinity..the sound quality is insane and one dual voice coil 12 bumps like a dual sub setup. im wired up to a 400 watt kicker class d amp with a 1.0 farad cap and it punches me in the chest when it hits...would recommend an infinity to anyone in the market.

 

infinity subs bump like no other..one 12 dual voice coil sounds like there is 2 subs in the back. the sound quality is insane and can really b cranked. i have my infinity pushed by a kicker 400 class d through a 1.0 farad cap and it feels like someone punches me in the chest...would recommend it to anyone in the market.

 

you don't seem to have experienced much audio equipment, from the sound of your post.


yes, there are ALOT of speakers that will outperform anything that infinity car audio makes.


adam

 

yup i agree....saying that really tells people what kind of knowledge you have in car audio..there are tons of other speakers that outbump and outperform infinity.....i think i'm getting rid of my maro know. so i don't really need a loud but light system anymore, and my buddy has a single 12" w7, and i'm already used to the bass output of that...so i'm gonna try to find something louder than that..maybe a rockford power T2 or something...

 

i wouldn't really recommend the new fosgate subs, but thats my opinion.

the w7 and the t2 are two totally different subs, designed for two totally different purposes.