almost like a rumbling or a steady thumping (popping?) is coming from my rear speakers ever since I put my new head in. I've done a search and noticed most of the problems seem to be with Bose speakers that have their own individual amps. However, I have no idea if I have bose speakers or not...and I'm hesitant to take out the speakers but I did take a picture of them...is there any way to tell from the looks of them?

Also, is it just my naiveness or does this look like two speakers back there? o_O

 

might just be the old speakers....Upgrade

 

ok man that is definately weird. instead of a 6x9 u have a 4x6 AND what looks to be a 4 inch round speaker. yah i say update and go back with the pioneer 6x9's that u can pick up at the local walmart they do it for me.

 

You have the factory ‘performance’ sound package, not to be mistaken with the Bose package. I forget the woofer size (either 4 or 5&#8221), but the round speaker is the factory sub. Look around for the volume slider. I'm pretty sure that there was an amp involved with the subs (one on either side), but not the rear or dash 4x6s.

I would just replace everything with 6x9s in the back and call it a day.

 

hmmm u learn something new everyday i didnt kno about the performance sound package that came sometihng like that i just thought 6x9's were there in all of them unless changed by the owner.

 

hey thanks guys...good to know. Pioneer 6x9's...to match the pioneer radio heh....should be a good match hopefully.

Tommorow I'll hit wally world (wal-mart) and see what they can do.

 

You'll probably need a new backet to mount the 6x9's. That popping sound is probably coming from the amp or a bad wiring job, so new speakers won't fix that problem.

 

dont buy pioneer speakers


imo they are lacking in quality. id suggest infinity or mb quart. some of the better brands out there. not to bash pioneer but they have awsome headunits but lackluster speakers

 

If he's getting speakers from Walmart then I don't think he's an audiophile . I agree, Infinitys are great, but Pioneer isn't bad for the price.

 

well when money is tight you buy what you can... id get pioneer if it wasnt for my experience with their IMPP subs.... the plastic they used in the speakers cracks easily.. luckily you can fix it strongly with nail polish

 

Thing is...the wiring's all connected according to diagram and it worked with the old cassette system that was in there. Here's the interesting catch, I found that if I disconnect the power antenna wire (pink I think? It's been a few weeks since I connected it up and going from memory on which one it was), the popping sound goes away, however the reception is beyond horrible for even the strongest of stations. :P (When disconnected the antenna doesn't go up...at all...)

And I'm no audiophile, true...but I like quality stuff. I'll poke around a stereo shop in town and see which ones sounds good to me (According to the guide in the tech section on this site).

 

Is the popping sound occurring only when you listen to the radio or all playback forms? You may have a headunit problem. Try listening to the radio, cds, cassettes, whatever, and see if the problem resolves itself. When you disconnect the power antenna wire, the popping might go away because you can't hear it amongst all the static.

The reason I suggested a problem with the amp before was because I had the same problem with one of my amps.

 

Yeah it's in all forms...and it goes away in all forms when the power antennae is disconnected. Strange huh?

All forms = CD and Radio

 

What HU, make and model?

 

Pioneer DEH-P47DH is the HU

 

A couple of things. One Redo the ground. Ignore the ground in the harness and go right to the chassis. Sand down the paint, use a star washer...
How old is the HU? The 47DH had some problems with bad solder connection at the amp IC. This is important because the amp IC also drives the Rem out line. Before we say 'get a new HU', do the grounds and you can try taking the power antenna line to an ACC circuit in the car. That way the Ant. goes up when the car is on, and you remove the load from the amp IC.

 

I bought the HU less than a month ago...so hopefully I didn't get a bad one :P

I'll check the ground and get back to ya...I hope I don't have to do the car on = antenna up thing...I rather like the idea of it going up when the radio's on and not otherwise.

 

If it's under warranty, maybe you can take it back and get another one? If you got it at best buy or somewhere similar, they usually have a 30-day no questions asked type deal.

 

That unit has a 1 year warranty if it's not gray market.

 

got it from CarDomain...so I assume under warrenty. Bah and it was a pain to hook up too :P maybe I'll see if I can't get the adapter swapped out for the new one...I'll see if I can take it in (I get the car back this afternoon from a carb rebuild/cleaning)

 

it would be cool to upgrade the original speakers with the exact same size... keep the miniature subwoofer and 4x6... just replace them with quality parts.

 

I would run new speaker wires aswell. Just to eliminate any other problems, stock amps, ...

 

now that's a little more nerve wracking...I'm somewhat nervous about taking more pieces than the easy stuff off my car to run wires...perhaps I should take this to a sound shop?

 

you might as well take a knife to your seats, crack your dashboard, and break off all the plastic tabs on every plastic panel in your car...

then take it to a shop, that way you won't feel bad when it comes back the same way you gave it to them.

btw, you can run NEW wire without removing the old wire... and it's not that hard at all... for the 6x9s especially

for my 4x6's, I got lazy and spliced in at the harness behind the headunit so I could externally-amplify them.

 

you know the irony is...the seats are already all torn up (sun rips), the dashboard has two cracks in it...and I have tabs? o_O

Did I mention I got this car really old? hehe

hmm I'll poke around and see how hard it is to install then...I'm just nervous about doing it myself :P I'm a desk jockey...not very experienced in the garage yet :P

 

If you're not comfortable doing the work, going to a QUALIFIED shop may not be a bad idea. You need to ask around and go to a shop that will do quality work. I would never recommend doing work you just don't feel comfortable doing. The simple fact is that most of my work is created by people doing things wrong. Gets aggravating at times, but it's also job security. A good shop will also be able to find out if it's an install problem, or the HU it self.
With that said, running new speaker wire is about as easy as it gets. Run it from the back of the radio, under the dash, down the kick, under the door sill, then right up to the speaker. The connections need to be good ones. NO wire nuts, twist and tape, or scotch locks. No exposed wire, no intermittent connections.

 

I'm still a desk jockey, and I've done everything: HU, amps, subs, component speakers, sound deadening. It's really not hard - just make sure you have the right screw drivers and a ratchet set, maybe a panel removal tool. If you're just content to upgrade your speakers, it doesn't get too complicated until you start playing with amps and subs.

If you think you have a head unit problem, you probably should have a shop look at it. They probably won't screw that up - you can even remove the plastic panel surrounding the A/C and HU so they don't break it in the process

Scrap: you put in Infinity plates up front and were too lazy to run new speaker wire? That's crazy! It takes more effort to splice it in at the HU!

 

actually, I've had the plates in for years, and they were using the stock wiring to the headunit. I also was not the one to install them, as it was free with the purchase... too bad they ruined my dashboard.. oh well.

Once I decided to hook up the 4 speakers to the 4ch, I didn't feel like pulling the dash off again, AND removing the speakers to run wiring through there somehow... I don't know how easy it is to feed wire through there. I already had my 6x9's amplified before, so I didn't really have to do much work.

all I did was run speaker wire up behind the headunit, and splice in at the cheap wiring harness, so I didn't have to ruin the factory wiring harness, and I made sure to leave enough slack so in the future I can route them up to the actual speaker if I want... although I seriously doubt I will ever need to do that as the connections looked great on the speakers last time I checked.

it actually wasn't very much work at all...

 

all i know is that if i could avoid running wires thru the front of my dash i will( and have so far.) i had to run wires under my dash i think three times. once for my fan switch( sucked) once for my foglamps( sucked and they dont work, i removed the wiring after all) and once to wire up my speakers( sucked and then i had to hide my x-over units)

 

It's not hard to get the wires up there, but you do have to take off the dash. Its just a pain, it doesn't really take all that long. You will probably have to remove the plastic trim panels along the doors to feed the wire underneath, so when you put it all together, its probably a waste of time.

 

well after other repairs, I think that's what I'll do...I know someone at Best Buy who did my friend's car and he did a good job from the looks of things...so hopefully I'll finally get rid of that noise (which is getting more and more annoying).

Besides, I like the idea of those mini-subs ^_^

 

hell yeah, I mean sometimes those little speakers put out a lot of bass.

My friend has a 2000 camaro with the monsoon system, and everytime I get in, I go looking for a 10" sub... IT'S NOT THERE! The largest speaker in there is a 4" I believe... maybe 5 1/4 in the fronts, but the speakers in their "sail panels" seem to put out only bass/midrange... I really like it when a car is specifically designed for quality audio, hence each pair of speakers in that car serves a different purpose, just like a real speaker system would in home audio.

that being said, I think you could find some mid-bass components and put them in the 4" 'sub-woofer' location, and replace the 4x6's with the kappa plate, or with some real components.

also in your car with the miniature sub-woofers, is there a separate amplifier for the speakers. If so, which ones are powered, and how much power do they get. You may consider pulling that old junk out and putting in something better.

 

ok so I went and took it into aspen sound here locally. Talked with the guy, listened to 4x6's and 6x9's...HUGE difference! (and I'm not even a huge audiophile!). They pulled the speakers and replaced it with 6x9's...soooo much better sound.

However, here's the funny part, when they pulled the speakers out, they pulled out what looked like a small boom box that was hidden behind the panel below too! O_O Talk about wierd...

Fronts are getting kick panels, 6" rounds and a tweeter (a component set I think it was called? still learning the lingo :P). The 4x6's in the dash I think will sit unused for now...partly 'cause I'm too lazy to take apart the dash to get to them and remove them. Maybe when I feel like replacing the guages too I'll take them out.

 

If you do have it done for you by a shop, stay AWAY from Best Buy and Tweeter!!!

My experience with Tweeter: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=285452

Someones elses with Best Buy: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...light=Best+buy

 

can you please explain in detail what this "Boom Box" is? Was it an amplifier, or did they remove the sub-woofer housing/tunneling. And I'm assuming that since you put in the 6x9, you lost the ability to ever put the subs in.

 

already done by the shop...was a good investment. ^_^ Aspen Sound was good to me

and the "boom box" thing I got some more detail on last night...basically it was a long base tube. Extended from where the mini-sub was all the way down to the bottom of the car. We had to cut away at some of the bottom of the hole just to get it out without taking apart the entire rear end. :P

If I want to put subs in, I'll probably have to put a bass box in somewhere. Or actually...since we cut away some of the side panel, I suppose I could put another sub in the sides if I cut away a little more....but I'm not that desperate for some subs. I'm noticing the current setup is a little weak on the bass but I can adjust it enough on the EQ for my satisfaction. Won't wake the neighbors with thumping noises but that's fine with me.

 

wow, I didn't know there was all that tubing involved in the mini-subs... interesting.

 

Geez codemonk, I forget you are from Spokane!
The Best buy thing Aaron posted was mine, at the BB in liberty lake...
Ironicly, I was coming here to rec. Aspen to you too. Did you go to the CDA or Spokane store? Mine was in CDA. I think the Spokane shop has 2 of the top 100 installers, and they've all worked there for, one I think 7, the other, longer, years... I almost went there, but I liked the people in CDA, and they did a darn good job.

 

agreed on the darn good job, I didn't know all of that about Aspen sound...they just felt good at the time :P I'll be going back to them later for installs. I went to the spokane one since it's about 10 blocks from my workplace.

I'm satisfied with everything overall...there was a fairly major delay but that was due to people shipping the wrong parts or with missing parts (people at Q-logic strangely enough). My kicks look nearly factory installed...which I like ^_^ (another thing I like is I can have it playing at a decent volume inside the cab (with the t-tops off and windows down)...and barely hear it outside the cab unless I open the door. Now that's efficient use of the sound ^_^).

 

so what do you think of the q-logic kick panels?

what size of woofer can they hold?

what woofers did you end up getting?

have you heard a 4thgen with the door speaker/component setup, if so how would it compare?

and if you don't mind, how much was everything parts/labor?

really installing those kicks should have been free install, especially if you got the woofers from them.... the rear speakers should have been free install too... but you said something about the bass tubing... could be more expensive.

lastly, got pics?

 

Wow, that's near opposite of mine.. I think my car has the acoustic equivalent of paper for sound deadening. Pretty much, if it's on at a normal level, not loud at all, but so you can hear it, you can hear it outside my car...
Oddly enough, you can't hear the sub outside the car, but it's plenty loud in the car... I always do worry a bit about cops and what not. I don't know if the cops care too much here, but you're darned right I almost turn it off by a cop, because anything else, they can probably hear it...

 

if you have an upward-firing sub setup, it will be much louder in the car, and quiet on the outside.

I just keep my sub at a casual listening level at all times, so I don't have to turn it down when I drive near cops.

 

Yep, that's exactly my setup. That said, I'm fine with that. It's for my audio experience, not to make everyone I drive by here my bass.

 

sometimes I feel like letting other people hear my bass... but only when I'm in that stupid, punk-kid, show-off mood...

my tails, trunk mechanism, and interior plastic panels vibrate so much that I hardly ever turn the bass up as much as even a stock stereo is capable of, (new car style,) so I guess that's pretty much the only thing keeping my hearing in good shape.

 

In order:

I like the q-logic kick panels...I have no place to rest my left foot when driving on the freeway now but I don't mind, they look great.

I think they hold 6" rounds and a tweeter...exactly what I got.

I ended up getting a set of MB Quart components (6" rounds and a tweeter). I have the box for the part number in the garage so I can get that tonight probably.

I've not heard a 4th gen door setup so I can't really compare there...I've heard other door setups in other cars (minivans and mid-sized sedans) and the kicks are waaaaaaay better in sound (probably 'cause it's better placed and directed).

All together parts and labor were about $1750. ($45 for install).

Pics to come soon...soon as I get a digital camera (my friend took his back since he's going on a trip). :P (off topic question: any suggestion for a good quality digital camera?)

 

let us know what model of mb quart you got, I've always like their stuff.

and I've always heard good things of the sony cybershot 5mp cameras.

 

If you want to just burn through a few months income for a lot of people, Canon Eos 20D... 8.3 MP, 1500 for the body alone, then lens will easily get you to 3k... That said , it's an incredible camera...

Funny what scrapmaker said, as I have a 5.1 MP cybershot. The two pics I posted in the 'flames' thread were of it, though that was way down quality than normal.
It's the DSCP100 to be specific. Nothing wrong with it at all, it's a good camera. Sometimes I wish I had more control over the pictures, but that's because prior to this I was used to a film SLR.

 

well my stereo is loud enuff to be the sound system at my boiz party which was outside.....

with the t-tops off the bass goes like 300ft.

lets just say that goin home from school( i attend UTI) i was bumpin 305 anthem and the guy in front of me told me that his mirrors was shaken cuz of me lol

 

Wow, that's something...
Anytime the music is on, I have to 'push down' my rear view mirror, as it works it's way off the part thats glued to the glass... heh.

 

Rears (6x9): MB Quart DTE-169
Fronts (6" round + tweeter): MB Quart RCE-216
Amp: Rockford Fosgate T4004
HU: Pioneer DEH-P47DH

And I'll keep the sony in mind...kinda on a budget after the money spent on the stereo so I might pass on the Canon