Im thinking that I just need a pair of custom fit 10"s in the back of my bird. Maybe if I were blasting some techno or Rap I would need better but for rock come on what?

>If you listen to <u>ROCK</u> what do you have¿

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I have 2 15s in the back of my camaro hooked up to a fosgate amp and they pound. I listen to heavy metal and rock and I could not imagine not having the hard hitting bass there when I listen to my music. Rock'n'roll will sound great with a hard hitting system.

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You know there should be a click here to listen button that if I hit it, it just blasts loud music in my face. Huh maybe in 20 years or so...

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I had (still have) a 15"Rockford HE2 in my truck soon to be in my IROC. It sounded great with just about everything from Iron Maiden to Wille Nelson. It just depends on how you have it set. You don't always have to blast it. Some time you want it on just barely some time you want to shake your filings out of you mouth it's all up to you. Remember it quality over quanity anyday.

 

Single 12 solobaric, couldn't sound better, nuff said.

[This message has been edited by JPrevost (edited November 09, 2001).]

 

What's "quanity" ? lol

 

How does having 10s or 12s or 15s play a role in having "deep bass" or not? It doesn't ... you can get "deep bass" from any of these sizes.

How does rock require less "deep bass" than other music? It doesn't. Listen to the kick drums on a Metallica CD (for example).

To answer the original question - any reasonable person who listens to any type of music at normal/reasonable listening levels in their car who is more concerned with acurately reproducing the music than in impressing there friends will find 2 quality 10s properly powered in a good box to be plenty adaquate. If fact, 1 10 or 1 12 would be sufficient.

 

I would like to add that, rap is not
the only thing that sounds good in a huuge
system, I have a very ridiculous system in my bird, but I tell you what.. put some disturbed, or dimmu borgir (if you guys heard of em) in there, and it pounds awesome!

 

Lars' Ulrich of metallica demands you all put at least 2 10" subs in the back.

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I agree, you can get deep bass from any size sub. Typically the larger the cone the deeper the output. I'm not a fan of 15's tho, usually the responce in not quite as tight as I like. And I agree one 10 or 12 will be incredably noticable over no sub at all.

I'm strictly an SQ guy. The subs are usually 10% louder than my speakers and I love to listen to rock. If you don't have a sub the bass guitar and kick drum disappear, a good SQ system shoulden't have any dropoffs and all instruents are ment to be heard. IMO, you need subs no matter what you listen to wheater it be Symphany, Rock, Rap, Barney theme song...whatever you're into. In fact subs, along with tweeters, should be the first update to a factory system.

-Matt

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Rock doesn't require a box that goes that deep (now if its classical, some stuff goes DEEP).

It might help determine what kind of box you go for. Might be able to go with a ported box since you won't get much sound below the tuning frequency anyway.

For what its worth, a bass drum isn't that low compared to pipe organs and bass mechanic CDs with test tones and synthesizers.

Juan

 

I have one ten in my firebird, and have had many different size subs in other cars. The larger the speaker, the more power you can send to it, the louder your system will be. For reasonable sound levels, one ten inch would be more than enough. But, no matter what type of music you listen to,(my taste changes almost daily) you benefit from having a full range of frequencies from your system. No you don't need deep bass, but you don't really need that beer when you come home after work either, right? But you want it, so why wouldn't you want the best sound that you possibly can get, wether or not you want to impress people.

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It can't hurt. I guess it's all a matter of opinion.

Ever listen to "Money" by Pink Floyd in a car with a kickin' system? I never knew that song had "deep" bass until I heard it in my first car stereo with subs. Or many other songs for that matter. How about Korn, "Freak on a Leash", or "Dead Bodies Everywhere"? Talk about deap bass!!!

To get deep bass, you don't need big speakers. Due to the size limits of our cars, a smaller speaker is easier to build a larger box for, therefore giving it a deeper sound.

A larger speaker will sound "deeper" at higher volumes, but that's kind of an illusion. Bass just sounds deeper to us when it's played louder. Because a larger speaker usually has more output, it sounds "deeper". But a smaller sub in the right size box will sound deeper at lower volumes.

So yes, SIZE DOES MATTER!!!!!

An 8" in a .5 cu.ft. sealed box will have "deeper" bass than a 12" in a 1 cu.ft. sealed box. The 12" will be louder.

This is all using a general rule of typical box requirements for certain size speakers. It won't hold true for every speaker, but it's true for about 80% of them.

So I say yes. Get subs and design the box for deep bass.

OMT, rap music mainly has "punchy" bass which sit around 50-60Hz. That's what makes it loud. That and constant pounding!!!

AJ

 

I got a set of 12s bridged in a box and 6 6x9's

1 set up front,(you gotta do allot of hacking to get 6x9s in the front dash,and remove some air ductings) one set in the stock rear side area, and another set in the very back that will be in a nice box, soon as i get a cut out.




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Rules of thumb don't mean much. Its like saying a v8 will beat a 4 banger... unless its got a turbo, or its an old v8, or.... well, you get the idea.

A big cheap speaker will probably not sound as good as a quality small speaker. Keep that in mind. Just because its bigger doesn't mean louder or lower necesarily.

Juan

 

Hypocrite!!! Your speaking exactly the same way I did, just using different words.

The deciding factor on the SPL of a speaker is due to it's efficiency. A cheaper speaker with a higher efficiency will play louder than an expensive speaker with a lower efficiency, all other factors being the same. It doesn't matter what size you are referring to.

The only other factor involved is the enclosure. A properly tuned, ported enclosure will be louder than a sealed enclosure by 3db. It's just that a ported enclosure requires more area, i.e., a bigger box. Usually twice as big as a sealed box.

Also, a ported box has to be tuned just right. Ported boxes are nowhere near as forgiving as a sealed enclosure. So you better be a damn good box designer/builder. One wrong move and a ported enclosure sounds muddy, sloppy, and hollow. But even properly built & tuned, they are never near as "tight" as a sealed enclosure. Especially at frequencies below the frequency that the box is tuned at.

AJ