I hope this doesn't come out wrong. But....
I just found my fourth 82-84 Cowl-Induction setup at the junkyard. On three of them, the only thing I've grabbed is the air cleaner, and the intake flat setup along with the solenoid, and the wiring harness (not the vacuum canister thingy). All but 1 of them are completely rust free. One of them has rust on the air cleaner lid in one spot, but it's otherwise ok.

I haven't seen ANY of these on eBay. If I was to put this on eBay, what do you think it would be worth? I'm considering either trying to sell them now, or hold on to them for a few more years until they end up becomming more and more scarce... and then selling them. I know it KINDA sounds mean of me.. heh, but this is how I pay for my car hobby.. the money I make from parts I sell on eBay, are used to go back into restoring and fixing up my projects.

I guess specifically what I'm asking is, do YOU know what they're worth. If you were me, would you sell them now, or keep them, and what were the production numbers of these TransAms?

I intend to keep at least one.... one day I'll have another 82 TransAm with a nice built up 350 or 383.. but I'll want it to look stock.

Can you post a photo?

I've never heard of a cowl induction system for those years, so I would like to see what it looks like.

If you are correct, you'd better get back to the junkyard and grab as many pieces as you can.

They do show up once on eBay from time to time but I've never bothered watching what they go for.

So this is an actual cowl-induction set up like on the Z/28s in the late 1960s, taking air from the base of the windshield? That's a new one on me.

Oh yea, my '81 Z-28 has a functional air induction flap that's facing you while driving. In fact it has a stock decal that says 'Air Induction' on each side.
I think it was wired up to a vacuum sender, and when the vacuum went below a preset value(ie WOT) it would trigger the flap to open. It's pretty trick, and I think it's worth holding on to.

Ron

Damn! I would have thought the smog laws would kill something like that off. I agree with you, hang on to that.

I bought one of the units a couple of months ago and it was about $50, but it didnt come with the aircleaner or vaccuum. So its kind of useless. If u wanna sell any of the parts let me know.

Yeah, the vacuum piece is kind of a pain in the *** to get. I won't be able to go back because I'm going to be out of town for a week and a half. I'm sure another one will come along. It's kinda ashame though, because I NEVER see HO TransAms or Camaros from 1984 on the street, but I see them every so often in the junkyard.

Seriously, I think the 84 Camaro / TransAm, the HO version (fully loaded ones) might become some of the more collectible cars of the 3rd gens in the future.

I'd really like to help you out stupid4901. but if I split it up, then I'd have 1 worthless kit too. What I'm probably going to do is clean them up, repaint them.. keep the best one for myself. and get them on eBay. I'll check the solenoids, etc.... to make sure everything is working good.


Thanks,

From what I understand, only the Cross-fire injected motors actually received cowl induction through hood flaps. Too bad the motors sucked and were replaced and outpowered by the 305 HO cars in 1983. You don't see too many CFI cars for 2 reasons - first they were slower, second the CFI system sucked a$$ in terms of being any sort of advantage - the Vette only had it for 1984.

YOU ARE CORRECT THE CROSS FIRE CARS DID HAVE THOSE ON THEM. thet are pretty neat!!! i had a friend hook up the motor to a switch so he could open and close it from inside the car.

Not completely true.

The CFI engines were only used from 1982-1983 in the f-body. (Both Camaro and Firebird).

ALL CFI motors on the TransAm came with the Cowl Induction setups that I'm talking about.

HOWEVER, they were ALSO offered on all 1984 HO TransAms as a standard option. If you have an HO TransAm from 1984, it will ALSO have the Cowl Induction set-up. (Only from one year).

This Cowl-Induction, between the CFI and the L69 (?), the only differences were the air cleaners. and the absolute bottoms of the cowl flat unit.

Everything else was the same.

paul_huryk, I just re-read your message and I wanted to make a couple of comments.

The Corvette used the CFI engine from 1981-1983. (or.. 1982 basically, because the 1983 model was a carryover from 1982).

The TransAm and Camaro had the CFI system from 1982-1983. The difference between the Corvette CFI and the f-body CFI were the air cleaners, and the fuel injectors used in the dual throttle bodies.

The Corvette obviously had a 350, and the f-body only had a 305.

1984 was the first (and only) year of the "High Output" V8 which was labeled the L69.

By the way, I noticed you said that you had a 350 LG4. They never offered an LG4 as a 350. LG4 is the RPO (as you know) for the 305 peanut cam V8. The LG4 was used throughout the years of 1980 all the way to 1987.

In 1980 and 1981, it was used as the Corporate replacement engine for the Pontiac, even though Pontiac still offered the 301. The Pontiac 301 even back in 1980 and 1981 (non turbo version) was STILL a better and more powerful motor than the 305 LG4, it put out 5 more horsepower (150hp and 245lbs of torque).

That poor guy (82-T/A Work) is never going to get an answer to his question, and with that in mind.

I added a dual snorkel to my Lg-4. I like the idea of this cowl-induction, but I guess it won't even work on a carb anyways. True?

Parrydise7!!

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No....

Hahah, I'll explain it again!
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1982-1983 f-bodies had the CFI set-up as the optimal motor. ALL CFI motors came with Cowl-Induction (complete setup, solenoid, etc).

1984 was the year they released the High Output L69 305 V8. As far as I understand it, ALL 1984s with the HO motor (not the LG4) ALSO came with Cowl-Induction. (The entire setup).

The cowl-setup that came on the 84 HO is compatible with ANY carbureted 1982-1984 TransAm, and any carbureted Formula Firebird.

Just to re-iterate.... they made TWO Cowl-Induction setups.

1 for CFI
1 for QuadraJET carburetors.

I have 4 complete units for the carb setup.

This kind of relates, but is there a way to make a dual snorkel, cowl induction air cleaner that will fit a 14X3 and xtreme flow top?

If you're going to have an xtreme lid why would you want snorkels?

For the record, the Vette's had CFI for '82(gen-3) & '84(gen-4). The '83 never saw production, even though they made a couple. I think they have one in the Vette museum.

That's why we ask for muffler bearings for an '83 Vette at the local stores

That's it, I'm going to run and take some picture of the air induction, before it gets dark. I'll be back.....

Ron

This is the air induction on my '81 Z-28(Waiting for restoration, and wanting to complete by 2006)





...and one of the top of the CFI air cleaner that came off my '82 Trans Am where it gets some of it's air from the cowl induction.



Ron

Originally posted by 82-T/A [Work]


1984 was the year they released the High Output L69 305 V8. As far as I understand it, ALL 1984s with the HO motor (not the LG4) ALSO came with Cowl-Induction. (The entire setup).

The L69 came out in '83. All '84 Trans Am's, including the LG4 came with the Cowl-Induction.

Just to re-iterate.... they made TWO Cowl-Induction setups.

1 for CFI
1 for QuadraJET carburetors.

I have 4 complete units for the carb setup.

The third gen Cowl Induction units on the Trans Am are different from the Camaro, both CFI and L69/LG4, the worst being the Camaro unit.

Do you have the Trans Am or Camaro units?

hey... a friend of mine has an old 83 camaro or right around that year camaro... and anyways his is only a 2.8 L would it sound right that his car has this same setup.... the car is junked out now but the air cleaner and hood and all that crap is still there and in working order... if anyone would really like to buy some parts i'm sure he would be willing to sell any of it.... The hood aint worth crap anymore fron't end damage.. just the front of the hood... the flaps still work and so forth... if anyone is looking i could find out for you ?? just lemme know what part and so forth...

No, unfortunately, the V6s never really got much of anything, just good rear-end gear ratios.

All the cool induction crap was made specifically for the V8s.

I was thinking that if u had the lid then u could take full advantage of the cowl induction, and if u had the snorkels u could get cold air even at part throttle.

are you sure 82 t/a .... cause i know for a fact that this little v6 has the cowl induction hood setup.... welli know for a fact it has the hoood part and the part that connects to the throttle... i saw it with me own eyes... he put it at WOT and the flap on the hoood opened up... pretty tight ****...

I'm 99% Sure that the V6s did not come with the cowl-induction setup. I've been wrong before though.

Are you 99% sure that it's a V6? And not a V8?


That would be cool though. I could see it working for the carbureted V6s. But I don't think it was original. Sure would be cool if he had it though.

Oh, and sorry, all four of these are for the TransAm. To date, I have not seen a SINGLE Cowl-Induction setup for a Camaro. I guess they just don't make it to the yard as often.

i am like absolutly positive that its a v6 and that it has this setup, like you said it wasn't original probably but whoever did set it up did a great job, it is in proper working function and its just ashame the car is in the junkyard and not out on the streets, I'm going out to that car today to snag the rear hatch motor from it or another camaro out there and I'll check it out to make sure it is, maybe even get a pic... later

Those cowl ind. set-ups are so scarce you could name your price (with-in reason) on E-bay! $100.00 and up! if they are complete.
they are worth about 10-15 horse-p on a cool evening!

Allright I would like to make a correction to all my previous statements about the cowl induction on the camaro that is junked out. It is a V6 and it is a Camaro like 83 or 85 in that range and well it has the exact same setup as the cowl induction only it is Ram Air... it has the two Air pipes coming up from the air dam there and into the air cleaner so it sucks it up from the radiators air.... and also the hood is Ram air... it come up and has two vents right there and when you hit the gas to WOT it has a lever that opens the flaps on the hood only the flaps are right there facing the wind so the air just goes right in them instead of having to suck it in from behind... so basically its just a pretty sweet ram air setup.....

The T/A induction system mod is in my sig. I have the carbureted version (available 83-84 stock). CFI version available 82-83.

Camaro version was CFI only 82-83. I saw one of those hoods in a yard once. Very light!

BTW, I like it more for looks, I don't think it adds much HP. I just hated having a hood scoop that did nothing.

The Camaro (82+) never got a cowl induction hood. period. Only the Firebird did. The Camaro just got two air scoops above the air cleaner facing forward, unlike the Trans Am and the '81 Z/28 in the pics posted above.

The first year for the L69 (HO) engine was 1983 and it went untill '85 or '86.

Crossfire Injection was used on the Corvette for '81-84, but there was NO '83 Corvette! Yes, it went '81 -> '82 -> '84!

And I know the '84 had it too because my uncle has one.

OK...it goes like this. The 82-83 LU5 TA's had the functional air induction. The mid-82 to 84 TA's had air induction whether LG4 or L69...IT DIDNT MATTER!!! I just got rid of an 83 TA that had the factory air induction setup, and it had an LG4 originally. The only reason the early 82's didnt have it is because of having a flat hood due to a shortage of the "bulge" hoods for the LU5 cars. BTW, the only Corvettes to have CFI were the 82 and 84 model years, not 81. It dosent get any simpler than that. Also, the unit itself isnt worth anything really. I have 6 of them, all in perfect working condition and I cant even give them away. I also have 4 complete air cleaners for the setup too.

My 82 T/A had the bulge hood from the factory (it is a late 82 build), but no air induction unit. There is also nothing listed in my 82 shop manual for the air induction unit for the LG4, only an air induction unit for the LU5. I still think LG4s and L69's only got the unit in 83-84.

Still, it's a pretty neat setup, and I can't see why anyone that has an 82-84 wouldn't love to have one on their carbureted motor.

Oh yeah, since my last post. I lent my 1997 GrandAm SE to a family member, and it's now totalled.

If you wanted to know what they're worth, I would say about $50 bucks'. At least that's what I paid for mine on ebay, and most went for that price. The one I got where really nice though, squeeky clean, perfekt harness and plugs, almost as brand new.
Got it from someone named "Cris ride automotive" or something.. A bit steep on shipping, but oh so nice parts..

Think I paid 15 for the aircleaner too.. But I still havent been able to find ANYONE selling the vacuum switch which is supposed to engage it all..

If you can get your hands on one, I'll buy it!

Hey 82T/A, do you go to U-Pull-it in Davie? I was down there for work a couple weeks ago and scored some goodies, like two of the 3.1 V6 Camaro EGR valves that are $198 new for $8 bucks each!

Wish I had more time, I'd have scored a couple F-body rearends too.

Eric

Hey Eric, yeah! That's definitely the one I go to. It's CRAZY how much stuff they get there.

Not a day goes by that I don't see at least 2-3 Bandit TransAms there...

They get all these 60s and 70s cars too... kind of sad actually. I was removing a convertible top with a friend of mine for his Chrysler LeBaron, and the car sitting right next to us was an eary 60s Plymouth Fury Convertible.

Not a BIT of rust on it anywhere, body and interior were complete. WHY it's in the junkyard is beyond me. You could buy a crate motor, for $1,500 bucks, drop it in there, another $500 for suspension peices and you've got a perfectly running convertible. :/

Ah, when were you there dude? We were there the 7th, I saw a red LeBaron you or SOMEONE pulled the top off of (just had a new top put on ours-$850) as I was looking for a gauge cluster and other stuff, I saw the Fury or A fury in question but it was a mid sixties model and VERY cancered!

I can't wait for work to send me back there, I want to pull a couple thirdgen rears, need an un dented first gen S10 tailgate, and a 3.4 or two wouldn't hurt either. I noticed all the thirdgens there were pretty picked over or trashed as far as interior stuff went, and all but two were V6 cars, definitely no IROC's or WS-6 T/A's with TPI motors and rear discs in there.

Other than that it's an awesome place, neat, fixed prices on everything.

I'll PM you the next time I head that way and maybe we can hook up!

Eric

Do you want to sell one of the air cleaner set ups?I have the cowl unit I just need the air cleaner.

Would you sell one of the air cleaner set ups?I have the hood part,just need the air cleaner to make it work.