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Old Jan 8, 2001 | 09:15 PM
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Carb spacer

Want one for power. But are there any installation tricks i should know of? Never done it before and don't want to mess off, pretty sure i'm getting the 1" spacer.

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Old Jan 9, 2001 | 02:00 PM
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As long as the spacer preserves the separation of both halves of your stock dual plane manifold.

But, if you're wanting to install an open spacer, that would defeat the purpose of any two-plane intake manifold. Dual planes work like they do because the vacuum impulse from a cylinder draws down the volume of only half of the manifold. This causes a stronger vacuum impulse to show up across the carb giving a sharper throttle response. An open spacer would create a huge "leak" between the halves.

Of course, as RPMs get up there, along with better heads, more aggressive cams, freer flowing exhaust, THEN it would be time to go to something like a Torker or some other single plane manifold rather than an open spacer.

Do you have smog inspections where you are? If not, the easiet thing to do is to retrofit that 305 back to something resembling a 1972 engine. A plain Q-Jet with a regular non-CCC HEI distributor. Do you have one of those hideous pellet-bed cat converters? Trash it and put a Catco or some other free-flowing cat in. Go check out the Exhaust BBS on this website for more ideas.

Your 305 is not that far removed from the good ol' pre-smog days. Take advantage of that.

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Old Jan 10, 2001 | 09:20 AM
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Yah i have smog inspection, but only visual. I'm going to take it off for inspection so i'm not too concerned about it. Is the LG4 intake manifold a dual plane? The carb spacer is open and can suport Holleys, which i think it was intended for even though i have the stock computer controlled Quadrajet.

I'm just looking to this as a quick fix for higher-rpm driving. I'm getting the catalytic converter gutted today too...

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Old Jan 10, 2001 | 10:53 AM
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A great way to gut a monolith, brick-type, cat converter is to take a pipe that just small enough to slide into the cat and drive it from one end to the other. I've gutted four cats that way but I ground the end of the pipe to be real sharp. It's just like coring an apple.

That AIR pipe in the middle of the two bricks may cause problems, though. Just drive from one end, then the other. Let the cored pieces come out then cut out that AIR tube if you want.

Another exhaust trick is to remove the AIR manifold from your exhaust manifold and pull each of the air injection tubes out. Then put the AIR manifold back on. Those injection tubes stick into the exhaust stream and just get in the way.

Leaving the AIR manifold in place is good for appearances as well as a bogus cat!

I'm still not too sure about putting an open spacer atop a stock dual-plane intake. I think that would cause fuel distribution problems. I'm sure somebody has done a study on that.


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Old Jan 10, 2001 | 12:35 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2001 | 02:21 PM
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I bet you dont notice much improvement on that lg4.it might even be worse.and what you might gain in some ares you will lose in others.
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Old Jan 14, 2001 | 03:29 AM
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From: outerspace(maybe..pluto)?
yeah get a phenolic one it some kind of wood so it wont transfer heat and also get some longer studs.

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Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 heads,350 horse cam,bored.40 over, Edlebrock torker2 intake.

Future mods 400 performer rpm intake (polished) and 600 edlebrock carb, comp roller cam, and way better heads. orpossibly a 383 stroker?
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Old Feb 3, 2001 | 08:20 AM
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Definately stay away from an open-hole spacer period. Matter of fact don't bother with any kind of spacer until you upgrade your stock intake manifold, then the 4-hole spacer will add significant bottom end, or a dual-plane (two-hole) spacer will soften the bottom end with usually a bit more on the top end. That's a general guideline but everything always depends on your final combo.
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Old Feb 5, 2001 | 02:16 PM
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In addition to the above:

Holley spacers don't fit Q-jets (actually square bore don't fit spread bore) unless they are double threaded to fit both.

Also, the stock air cleaner sits rather high as it is. There are plenty more perfomance modifications before you get to the niddy-griddy 5 HP stuff. The electric fan idea you had was start.......
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