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Old May 29, 2020 | 06:07 PM
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Weatherstripping around window

I have a 91 Camaro and I'm in the process of replacing the weather stripping around the driver and passenger window doors. I'm on my second set. My first set I returned as the drivers side did not fit well and the passenger top piece split after only a few days. My 2nd set, purchased from Eckers on Ebay, is made by Softseal and the fit isn't much better for the top pieces. The top pieces' "lip" tends to get caught down when I close the door. I've tried adjusting the window both in and out. The window stop is in lowest position so the window can't go any higher if that makes any sense. I even took some rubber hose and wrapped it around the window stop "rod" to add length and shorten up the traveling of the window up. This sort of helped, but now the front of the window doesn't seal at all. Anyone else have this issue and/or a solution? I'm really stuck and lost here. Even my upholstery shop was scratching their heads saying "that's how it goes with an aftermarket convertible"....
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Old May 30, 2020 | 07:31 AM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Not a Camaro but I bought an aftermarket seal on my bronco and the fit was horrendous. I'm planning to replace the piece with a a Ford part soon. I'm planning to replace my top soon and I'll be needing to checkout the seals and possibly replacing some.
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Old Jun 2, 2020 | 10:08 AM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

I bought this one. Seems to be high quality, Made in USA, fit is very good.

It's Gold Series Sponge Supersoft by Metro. 15 year replacement warranty. Price on eBay was great and included the 7th seal.

https://www.metrommp.com/index.cfm?f...T&Model=CAMARO

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Weatherstri...72.m2749.l2649


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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Originally Posted by Tootie Pang
I bought this one. Seems to be high quality, Made in USA, fit is very good.

It's Gold Series Sponge Supersoft by Metro. 15 year replacement warranty. Price on eBay was great and included the 7th seal.

https://www.metrommp.com/index.cfm?f...T&Model=CAMARO

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Weatherstri...72.m2749.l2649


What brand did you end up with? The ebay link shows

Brand:

AM Autoparts

Fitment Type: Direct Replacement Placement on Vehicle: Front, Rear, Left, Right Interchange Part Number: 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 Camaro Firebird Chevy Pontiac, Header Weatherstrip Seal Rear Bow Weatherstrip Seal, Roofrail Weatherstrip Seal Tonneau Cover Panel Weatherstrip Seal, Weatherstrip Seal Kit Kit Set 7 Piece Set Front Left Rear Right, Driver Side Passenger Side Manufacturer Part Number:

AM-804828543


AM Auto Parts as the "BRAND".
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:22 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

I got Metro. You are correct, it doesn't say which Brand.
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Old Jun 3, 2020 | 03:55 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

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I got Metro. You are correct, it doesn't say which Brand.

So, just to be clear, you ordered through the ebay AM Autoparts and they sent you Metro? That sounds like a decent deal,
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Old Jun 4, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Yes
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

These on ebay by AM Parts appears to be the same ones made by Soft Seal, which is what I've tried twice and have not fit well at all.
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Old Jul 4, 2020 | 07:30 AM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

I ended up ordering the SuperSoft set by Metro, which coincidentally is from Minneapolis and the reps are only a few miles from me down the road. The cost was around $180 from A1 Auto, which is around 3x the price as the SoftSeal brand found mostly on Ebay. The SuperSoft is a completely different style with a pad that the window closes up against as opposed to SoftSeal's version that has a "lip" that the window is supposed to go into.

I installed the new pieces and and to undo all the window adjustments I made the first time around (a real pain as the July heat has set in). Seems like a much better fit, although now the top header around the windshield doesn't match and I'll probably have to replace that next.

More to come on all this, I guess.
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Old Jul 4, 2020 | 01:16 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Crappy aftermaket parts take a lot of the joy out of old car ownership. You would thing for a CAMARO they would get it right! I wonder how aftermarket w-strip, carpets, etc. fit on vintage Mustangs, since they are THE most "supported" cars in Amercia.

It's not like we are driving an Isotta Fraschini!

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Old Aug 9, 2020 | 01:26 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Originally Posted by shaggyowl
I ended up ordering the SuperSoft set by Metro, which coincidentally is from Minneapolis and the reps are only a few miles from me down the road. The cost was around $180 from A1 Auto, which is around 3x the price as the SoftSeal brand found mostly on Ebay. The SuperSoft is a completely different style with a pad that the window closes up against as opposed to SoftSeal's version that has a "lip" that the window is supposed to go into.

I installed the new pieces and and to undo all the window adjustments I made the first time around (a real pain as the July heat has set in). Seems like a much better fit, although now the top header around the windshield doesn't match and I'll probably have to replace that next.

More to come on all this, I guess.

To be clear, you examined SoftSeal and did not like it. Installed SuperSoft by Metro and found it satisfactory?

I have had weatherstrip aggravation and want to order good stuff! I telephoned Steele Rubber, who is probably the oldest aftermarket WS supplier, and Paul there told me their 89 Camaro Vert WS is made by Metro. Paul said Metro is good and holds to Steele standards. I have used Steele in the past w/ good results.

Thanks.
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Old Aug 9, 2020 | 01:51 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

You are correct. The SoftSeal fit was not good something to avoid.

SuperSoft by Metro is the way to go, even though it is somewhere like three times the price of SoftSeal. You get what you pay for. The window squishes up against the weatherstripping, which I think is more the norm for a door/window without a frame around it. There is one caveat that I haven't quite nailed down yet: after spending hours on this project adjusting the windows and trying make the SoftSeal kit fit, I had to take a break for my own sanity. I then installed the SuperSoft and noticed the alignment mismatch with the header. As I mentioned before with the windshield header, I recommend getting the complete kit from Metro SuperSoft (top rails and header) so you have a better change of the pieces all lining up together. I have not yet got to this point yet so my theory isn't quite yet tested.

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Old Aug 9, 2020 | 03:09 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Thanks, Shaggy.
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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 01:55 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

I’ll try to post some photos of the metro super soft kit and how it looks.
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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 05:48 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

Here’s my findings with the super soft by metro.

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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 06:45 PM
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Very informative. Thank you.
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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 06:48 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

I emailed the Ebay vender Shaggy bought from, asking if all the parts were CURRENTLY Metro .

Below is there response. Hello,

Thank you for contacting us. We use various vendors in various locations to make these items to OEM specifications. Because of this, we cannot provide a brand name. This kit includes:

1) Convertible Top Header Seal: Seals the front of the convertible top to the top of the windshield frame and the front of the door glass to the windshield pillar
(4) Roof Rail Seals: Rubber seals that attach to the sides of the convertible top frame
(1) Rear Bow Seal: Seals the rear of the convertible top bow to the body of the vehicle
(1) Tonneau Cover Seal: Seals underneath tonneau cover

Please let us know if you have any further questions.
Thank you,
Laurel
AM-Autoparts

Customer Service Hours of Operation:
Mon-Fri 8:00am - 8:00pm EST

AND MY RESPONSE, BELOW


Laurel. Based on my lifetime of working on cars, including 25+ years of training and experience in the Auto Repair Business, I know aftermarket parts can sometime be pretty bad. Especially weatherstrip, which is not easy to manufacturer correctly. Poorly fitting WS can cause the installer to waste HOURS and get an unacceptable result.


If you ever offer METRO for all 7 parts in the kit, please advise. In the meantime, I will have to look elsewhere.
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Old Oct 9, 2020 | 10:14 AM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

In my experience, the only way to go if you care about fit and alignment of panels is to spring for nos gm parts...getting original parts for your weatherstripping is definitely worth the extra cash in my opinion.
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Old Nov 26, 2020 | 09:39 PM
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Re: Weatherstripping around window

https://www.hawksmotorsports.com/87-...stripping-kit/

If you need a complete set, what is your opinion on these? I'm considering...
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