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Help every one. I hope my questions are OK here. I have a transplanted 89 Firebird 305 motor with a 92 4L60 (non E) trans in my 68 C10 that I bought the trans lines from a restoration parts store (can't remember who) and the lines have a tag on them which traces back to "Inline Tube" #'s are SCTT7105.
Now on to my questions 1st one is do these lines look right for a 92 Firebird with the 4L60 trans and 2nd question is what I have read that they have a support bracket that holds them in place at around the right side lower area of oil pan? Any pictures would be great for trans lines installed and where the support bracket mounts. I know on the lines pictured the front part of the lines bending upward going to the radiator has nothing to do with the fitment of these lines on a 92 F
irebird but from that point back to the trans lines fittings they do.I know its only a one dimensional picture but if more angles are needed I will take some of them and post to here.
Thanks in advance for any help or
Links" that would help me, mjgord51
Last edited by mjgord51; Nov 14, 2021 at 10:38 AM.
3. Ive seen a metal bracket that keeps the lines in place. Also, a little thing holds the lines together so they don't separate (the black parts on your picture) I forget if mine has the bracket...
I don;t really think you need the bracket honestly. It helps support it but doesn;t seem necessary.
IMHO cut it and install an aux tranny cooler.
Last edited by 1989karr; Nov 10, 2021 at 01:30 PM.
There's a bracket by the motor mount that bolts to the oil pan rail that holds them in places next to the oil pan and about 3" below the rail. You can make do with zip ties to tie them together and do they don't get snagged if you drive over tall grass/weed's or the like
3. Ive seen a metal bracket that keeps the lines in place. Also, a little thing holds the lines together so they don't separate (the black parts on your picture) I forget if mine has the bracket...
I don;t really think you need the bracket honestly. It helps support it but doesn;t seem necessary.
IMHO cut it and install an aux tranny cooler.
I think it is a much better idea of cutting the lines to the radiator and installing an aux tranny cooler. I am in the process of doing that now in addition an oil cooler for the power steering.
I think it is a much better idea of cutting the lines to the radiator and installing an aux tranny cooler. I am in the process of doing that now in addition an oil cooler for the power steering.
Why not put the aux tranny cooler between the return line after the radiator? I'd think you would want the trans fluid to get up to optimal temperature as quickly as possible. Also, if you're on the verge of getting too hot, the radiator will help keep the temps on the high end under control.
Why not put the aux tranny cooler between the return line after the radiator? I'd think you would want the trans fluid to get up to optimal temperature as quickly as possible. Also, if you're on the verge of getting too hot, the radiator will help keep the temps on the high end under control.
What started me thinking about the transmission cooler is that I am in Australia and my car has been converted to right hand drive. The way they did the conversion is the power steering box is on the opposite side along with several hoses. This really makes attaching the power steering lines to the radiator very hard in addition to the bottom radiator hose and a/c hose is terrible to work on or change. This means that the power steering hose can be attached to the cooler located under the car near the air dam.
and the outgoing hose can run to the other side of the car. The transmission cooler will have both lines going to the right hand side. I will have a lot more room after this work has been done. Besides the fluid in the radiator cooling the transmission would be running about 180 degrees so I wouldn't really be getting much of a benefit doing that. All the new cars have tranny coolers on them.
I think it is a much better idea of cutting the lines to the radiator and installing an aux tranny cooler. I am in the process of doing that now in addition an oil cooler for the power steering.
Why not put the aux tranny cooler between the return line after the radiator? I'd think you would want the trans fluid to get up to optimal temperature as quickly as possible. Also, if you're on the verge of getting too hot, the radiator will help keep the temps on the high end under control.
Originally Posted by yankeecarman
What started me thinking about the transmission cooler is that I am in Australia and my car has been converted to right hand drive. The way they did the conversion is the power steering box is on the opposite side along with several hoses. This really makes attaching the power steering lines to the radiator very hard in addition to the bottom radiator hose and a/c hose is terrible to work on or change. This means that the power steering hose can be attached to the cooler located under the car near the air dam.
and the outgoing hose can run to the other side of the car. The transmission cooler will have both lines going to the right hand side. I will have a lot more room after this work has been done. Besides the fluid in the radiator cooling the transmission would be running about 180 degrees so I wouldn't really be getting much of a benefit doing that. All the new cars have tranny coolers on them.
AGAIN stay on the point please re read my first thread/post #1. Both of your post are OFF TOPIC and has NOTHING to do with what my thread is about, maybe you two need to start your own thread. Not beating you two up just your reply's have nothing to do with my questions.
The rules of any forum are/is staying on the main currant topic and NOT wondering off to left field. Your post was ""well beyond"" left field. Take your discussions elsewhere.
4L60 (not E) is the same thing as 700-R4. GM renamed all their transmissions starting sometime in the late 80s; the new name format (4 for # of gears, L for longitudianl or T for transverse, 600 for some kind of torque rating, in this case) took awhile to catch on and take hold in the outside world; hardly anyone ever calls the 700-R4 "4L60" except in "official" documents of some sort. Doesn't too much matter though; they are merely 2 names for the same thing.
The bracket that holds the lines next to the oil pan bolts under one of the pan bolts, and looks kinda like a "U" with acoupla crinkles in it to grip the lines.
The lines for a 92 Firebird are VERY unlikely to fit a 68 truck properly. You will almost certainly need to cut them and make some sort of changes, whether that involves an external cooler or not.
Without the little bracket holding them still, they are MUCH more likely to crack at the fittings and leak. Doing without the bracket is a VERY bad idea.
There are ANY NUMBER of vehicles that would have a suitable bracket. It doesn't "have to" come from a 92 Firebird. Doesn't even "have to" come from a GM vehicle, or a V8, or from transmission lines (many vehicles have something similar for power steering lines for example). This is one of those things where you can just go to the buzzard nest and LOOOOOK around at what's there and use whatever you come across that will work.
I recommend that you study the layout of your vehicle to figure out how much of those stock lines you can use, cut them there, and flare the ends before you put them in the vehicle. I suspect, looking at that pic, that this will be somewhere along the straight section that runs between the 90° going up to the radiator, and the front of the engine. Once you have a flare & nut on the lines, you can make a new section close to the radiator either out of brake line or braided stainless or whatever, and you'll have something substantial and leeeeek-proof to connect to. I would NOT in any case recommend just slipping rubber hose over the ends of cut steel lines: rubber like that ALWAYS fails, and ALWAYS leeeeeeeeeeeks. Similarly, once you have the lines in there and laying next to the oil pan where they belong, it will be obvious where a bracket to hold them would need to go, and approximately what it would look like, thus making it easy to identify suitable candidates during your junkyard survey.
4L60 (not E) is the same thing as 700-R4. GM renamed all their transmissions starting sometime in the late 80s; the new name format (4 for # of gears, L for longitudianl or T for transverse, 600 for some kind of torque rating, in this case) took awhile to catch on and take hold in the outside world; hardly anyone ever calls the 700-R4 "4L60" except in "official" documents of some sort. Doesn't too much matter though; they are merely 2 names for the same thing.
The bracket that holds the lines next to the oil pan bolts under one of the pan bolts, and looks kinda like a "U" with acoupla crinkles in it to grip the lines.
The lines for a 92 Firebird are VERY unlikely to fit a 68 truck properly. You will almost certainly need to cut them and make some sort of changes, whether that involves an external cooler or not.
Without the little bracket holding them still, they are MUCH more likely to crack at the fittings and leak. Doing without the bracket is a VERY bad idea.
There are ANY NUMBER of vehicles that would have a suitable bracket. It doesn't "have to" come from a 92 Firebird. Doesn't even "have to" come from a GM vehicle, or a V8, or from transmission lines (many vehicles have something similar for power steering lines for example). This is one of those things where you can just go to the buzzard nest and LOOOOOK around at what's there and use whatever you come across that will work.
I recommend that you study the layout of your vehicle to figure out how much of those stock lines you can use, cut them there, and flare the ends before you put them in the vehicle. I suspect, looking at that pic, that this will be somewhere along the straight section that runs between the 90° going up to the radiator, and the front of the engine. Once you have a flare & nut on the lines, you can make a new section close to the radiator either out of brake line or braided stainless or whatever, and you'll have something substantial and leeeeek-proof to connect to. I would NOT in any case recommend just slipping rubber hose over the ends of cut steel lines: rubber like that ALWAYS fails, and ALWAYS leeeeeeeeeeeks. Similarly, once you have the lines in there and laying next to the oil pan where they belong, it will be obvious where a bracket to hold them would need to go, and approximately what it would look like, thus making it easy to identify suitable candidates during your junkyard survey.
The pictured trans lines (SCTT7105) from In-Line Tube are "specifically made" for a 68 C10 radiator and a SBC motor and a 4L60/700R4 trans combination.
The 92 FB in that year used Chevy's small block motor 305/350.
Yes I will be using a External Cooler and already figured that out.
And yes I'll need to find those lines support bracket/s in a bone yards or maybe the Dealer still carries them.
I did find the support bracket from a member from "Nastyz28" forum
Last edited by mjgord51; Nov 21, 2021 at 05:33 PM.
I think any RWD GM with a 700 / 460 maybe even something easier to find these days with a LS motor will have some kind of bracket you can use / modify. If not its just basically a J hook bracket you can fab up.
As long as it keeps it in place away from stuff like the starter or frame it should be ok.
The rules of any forum are/is staying on the main currant topic and NOT wondering off to left field. Your post was ""well beyond"" left field. Take your discussions elsewhere.
3. Ive seen a metal bracket that keeps the lines in place. Also, a little thing holds the lines together so they don't separate (the black parts on your picture) I forget if mine has the bracket...
I don;t really think you need the bracket honestly. It helps support it but doesn;t seem necessary.
IMHO cut it and install an aux tranny cooler.
TECHNICALLY the 700R4's (1982-1989 ) name was changed to the 4L60 in 1990. On one hand the 700R4 and the 4l60 insides are the same too an extent and there outside looks don't match.. So all in all the Firebird had a 4L60 transmission.The 700R4 trans only got up graded limited, "JUST" so much for (1984-1987) (1982-1983 was JUNK) and when GM finally up graded it it was re named/badge to call it the 4L60 its life was only three years mostly from 1990-1992 with limited car usage till 1993.
So you can call it what ever you want but the above paragraph is correct for the "Two" transmissions whether you like it or not, I'll still sleep good at night even if you persist on calling the 1992 Firebird having a 700R4 transmission LOL. . . . .
Last edited by mjgord51; Nov 21, 2021 at 04:57 PM.
TECHNICALLY the 700R4's (1982-1989 ) name was changed to the 4L60 in 1990. On one hand the 700R4 and the 4l60 insides are the same too an extent and there outside looks don't match.. So all in all the Firebird had a 4L60 transmission.The 700R4 trans only got up graded limited, "JUST" so much for (1984-1987) (1982-1983 was JUNK) and when GM finally up graded it it was re named/badge to call it the 4L60 its life was only three years mostly from 1990-1992 with limited car usage till 1993.
So you can call it what ever you want but the above paragraph is correct for the "Two" transmissions whether you like it or not, I'll still sleep good at night even if you persist on calling the 1992 Firebird having a 700R4 transmission LOL. . . . .
The above (my definition) also goes for "sofekingdom" post #12, Technically with there insides being different they are two different transmissions. 1982-1989 is 700R4. 1990-1993 is 4L60, and yes I do know the 4L60E came to be in 1993.
No not for a 68 C10 my question was for 1992 Firebird 4L60 trans lines and the support lines mounting clip."Not beating you up guy/gal but your response/post you must have missed some or just didn't read it from start to finish. If you did read my first thread that started it all off you would have read my 1968 C10 Chevy Truck has a 1989 305 Firebird motor that has a 1992 Firebird 4L60 transmission so both motor & trans are from a F- BODY. And furthermore if you had really read this the lines came/bought from "Inline Tube" "SPECIFICALLY" made for a 4L60/700R4 trans in a 1968 Chevrolet C10 Truck. LOL any more questions.
Wasnt a question! This is a 3rd gen f-body forum! You dont have/own a 3rd gen f-body! Who gives a damn what 3rd gen eng/trans you put in whatever c10 pick em up truck! Go to a c10 forum and ask there! Surely you dont think you're the first to put such a eng/trans combo into a c10! LOL indeed!
Wasnt a question! This is a 3rd gen f-body forum! You dont have/own a 3rd gen f-body! Who gives a damn what 3rd gen eng/trans you put in whatever c10 pick em up truck! Go to a c10 forum and ask there! Surely you dont think you're the first to put such a eng/trans combo into a c10! LOL indeed!
You are WRONG I do own a 3rd gen Motor (1989 305ci) and Trans (1992 4L60) both from a Firebird Vehicle, You missed something from my first thread/post. I Never said or posted I have a 3rd gen Firebird Vehicle my thread/post was ALL about a 4L60 trans lines and the lines bracket mounted to the motors oil pan. Now I think you are the one with egg on your face LOL. I'm not throwing stones at you Just setting things straight here.
Wasnt a question! This is a 3rd gen f-body forum! You dont have/own a 3rd gen f-body! Who gives a damn what 3rd gen eng/trans you put in whatever c10 pick em up truck! Go to a c10 forum and ask there! Surely you dont think you're the first to put such a eng/trans combo into a c10! LOL indeed!
You seam to be the ONLY one bothered by my thread/posting. Don't respond if you have nothing to contribute to my thread/postings story line, Others that responded did ad something you haven't did that so move on to somewhere else.
A forum is for discussions about what ever is on your mind doesn't mean it has to be about one certain kind of vehicle in a certain kind of forum (it just has to fit kinda) mine is about trans lines that are for a Firebirds 4L60 trans (3rd gen.) again others responded and gave input you seam to think I'm a square peg trying to fit into a round hole, again move on.
Last edited by mjgord51; Nov 21, 2021 at 08:57 PM.
I never said you said you did! I SAID YOU DONT HAVE A 3RD GEN F-BODY!! Meaning you dont own a car that is a camaro or firebird (third gen specifically) GET IT!. That is what i said. You have a TRUCK! This is a CAR forum!
Somebody lock this thread.
I never said you said you did! I SAID YOU DONT HAVE A 3RD GEN F-BODY!! Meaning you dont own a car that is a camaro or firebird (third gen specifically) GET IT!. That is what i said. You have a TRUCK! This is a CAR forum!
Somebody lock this thread.
Wow dude take the blue pill and re-boot your brain. I have a 3rd gen Drive Train "ENGINE is 1989 & TRANSMISSION is 1992. That in itself qualifies as a 3rd gen stuff. I didn't ask a question about anything other than the Drive Train period. This place is all about 3rd gen F body information and that's what I ask about. Why you got your panties in a bunch just because I don't have the rest of the car to go along with the drive train? Yes this is a 3rd gen forum and yes I did ask a question seeking an answer about 3rd gen information period, let it go and move on. As I see it you are the one that should be locked out of My Thread and its Postings. I guess you missed that I do own a 1970 Camaro Z/28 350 w425hp,TH400.
Last edited by mjgord51; Nov 22, 2021 at 02:43 AM.
TECHNICALLY the 700R4's (1982-1989 ) name was changed to the 4L60 in 1990. On one hand the 700R4 and the 4l60 insides are the same too an extent and there outside looks don't match.. So all in all the Firebird had a 4L60 transmission.The 700R4 trans only got up graded limited, "JUST" so much for (1984-1987) (1982-1983 was JUNK) and when GM finally up graded it it was re named/badge to call it the 4L60 its life was only three years mostly from 1990-1992 with limited car usage till 1993.
So you can call it what ever you want but the above paragraph is correct for the "Two" transmissions whether you like it or not, I'll still sleep good at night even if you persist on calling the 1992 Firebird having a 700R4 transmission LOL. . . . .
lol it dont bother me nor do I care to like nor dislike haha
Last edited by 1989karr; Nov 22, 2021 at 11:59 AM.
