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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 05:02 PM
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Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

I don't want to hijack the EZ-EFI install threads on this...so hear is a new thread.

I have done some research on the EZ-EFI, Holley Avenger, Professional Products EFI (Powerjection III), etc. What system offers the best bang for the buck (under $2K) that has best options, etc. I am doing the research to upgrade from TPI, so I am not starting from scratch.

If I understand this properly:

EZ-EFI: Self-tuning, but limited in other control options, including no spark control
Cost: $895 for ECU and harness (retrofit to TPI)


Accel: No-self tuning, but has optional control of fans, spark, knock sensor, etc.
Cost: $1,800?


Powerjection 3: Self-tuning, good replacement for existing carb
Cost: $1700 for all, including TB


Thanks for the info...
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

Originally Posted by 88TPI406GTA
I don't want to hijack the EZ-EFI install threads on this...so hear is a new thread.

I have done some research on the EZ-EFI, Holley Avenger, Professional Products EFI (Powerjection III), etc. What system offers the best bang for the buck (under $2K) that has best options, etc. I am doing the research to upgrade from TPI, so I am not starting from scratch.

If I understand this properly:

EZ-EFI: Self-tuning, but limited in other control options, including no spark control
Cost: $895 for ECU and harness (retrofit to TPI)


Accel: No-self tuning, but has optional control of fans, spark, knock sensor, etc.
Cost: $1,800?


Powerjection 3: Self-tuning, good replacement for existing carb
Cost: $1700 for all, including TB


Thanks for the info...
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 08:34 AM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

after seeing what what the megasquirt autotune did to a friend's Turbo Grand Prix, i'm kind of hesitant to want any kind of "permanent" changes dictated by software...

but the EBL is actually the cheapest of all options mentioned so far and with what seems to be the most complete options list.
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 08:54 AM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

[QUOTE=Saar;4942016]after seeing what what the megasquirt autotune did to a friend's Turbo Grand Prix, i'm kind of hesitant to want any kind of "permanent" changes dictated by software...

Did your friend not have a wideband to monitor how the a/f was running? or what was the major problem with the megasquirt autotune...

The holley Dominator EFI setup looks pretty sweet....
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 09:35 AM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

whatever software is intended to be used with the MS(tunerstudio?) was using the wideband signal to automatically adjust the VE tables, it decided to go WAY lean in a few spots(wideband might have been acting crazy?), combine that with boost and it killed headgaskets and sounds like it warped the heads since no HGs after that lasted a month.
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

And that, boys and girls, is the reason I don't trust auto tuning EFI.
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 05:09 PM
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Re: Self-tuning EFI options/discussion

Im by no means deep into tuning (running $59 on my boosted motor)see sig for info)
but even WITH something with auto tune as "HELP" he should have been watchig that wb02 guage ,etc..

Ive been considering getting rid of the 7730 and $59 in favor of something with auto tune. For ease of letting it do most f the work and then go in and "tweek" the rest of the stuff.

Been looking at the ebl. etc. I have a Holley 950 commander on the shelf also.
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