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Old 02-17-2019, 07:38 PM
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Tuning is there a big difference

I recently swapped motors in my 90 iroc.
I installed a 358 short block
And trick flow super 23 195 heads
Cam is a 230/234 110 lsa.
I got a safe start up chip from a good source. The cars runs idles no real issues. I was informed by the programmer that tuning is necessary and I am in the process of datalogging once my stuff arrives from moates. Here is my question

The car drives pretty dam good. Better than stock by far but I don't feel I am getting the power I should be out of it, once it is tuned using data logs will it really make a big difference in performance?
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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

it depends on how far off your current tune is. but yeah there is potential for a big difference.

but with a set up like that, you'll definitely want a WB O2 hooked up to Tunerpro so you can catalog and see what the engine is actually doing.

Tuning blind with out a a WB is a waste of time IMO.

my guess is a safe start up chip is going to be overly rich.
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Tune it.
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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

It most certainly will as i doubt any start bin will be close enough as all engines vary some. Now how much to be gained depends how far off it is

i have had starting bins run idle ok and part throttle but be way off on wot. So it depends
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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

Originally Posted by cpalmaccio1@gma
I got a safe start up chip from a good source. The cars runs idles no real issues.
You don't know if it's safe until you can see what the ecm is seeing. Could be knocking or running lean or rich. Usually these "safe" tunes mean low and sluggish spark advance and fattening up the fuel to ensure it doesn't run lean and cause damage real fast. Tuning really is necessary.

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I am in the process of datalogging once my stuff arrives from moates.
Return it, it's not 2003 anymore. Buy Rbob's programmer; the EBL. I haven't used the EBL (I'm a MegaSquirter) but I've used Moates items and was not happy with them.

Originally Posted by cpalmaccio1@gma
I don't feel I am getting the power I should be out of it, once it is tuned using data logs will it really make a big difference in performance?
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Yes, it will make a difference. If you're using a shorter runner intake (because you're not running a 230/234 110 LCA cam on TPI, right?) a good starting point would be to find some spark maps from an LT4.
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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

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it depends on how far off your current tune is. but yeah there is potential for a big difference.

but with a set up like that, you'll definitely want a WB O2 hooked up to Tunerpro so you can catalog and see what the engine is actually doing.

Tuning blind with out a a WB is a waste of time IMO.

my guess is a safe start up chip is going to be overly rich.
http://www.ultm8z.com/DIY%20Tuning.htm

Look into this

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Flash.php


what tibo said

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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

Scott Hansen is tuning it to get it to run right until I learn to do it myself.
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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

Originally Posted by cpalmaccio1@gma
Scott Hansen is tuning it to get it to run right until I learn to do it myself.
Speaking of knock control as tibo posted. Make sure you are using a aujp or anjf memcal. Some people convert v6 memcals to work as a v8 with cylinder select jumper. This is fine but you loose knock retard control.
Your going to be better off tuning it yourself, tons of information on $8d mask in the stickies.
Buying a wb o2 and starting with super aujp is a great way to go if you don’t want to go with the ebl. Cost wise if you buy a emulator /burner it’s not that much more for a ebl. IMO money well spent to be able to do ve learns.
You can do ve tuning yourself with spreadsheets.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...uide-book.html

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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

Originally Posted by cpalmaccio1@gma
Scott Hansen is tuning it to get it to run right until I learn to do it myself.
Since this isn't DIY... moved...

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Re: Tuning is there a big difference

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Speaking of knock control as tibo posted. Make sure you are using a aujp or anjf memcal. Some people convert v6 memcals to work as a v8 with cylinder select jumper. This is fine but you loose knock retard control.
Your going to be better off tuning it yourself, tons of information on $8d mask in the stickies.
Buying a wb o2 and starting with super aujp is a great way to go if you don’t want to go with the ebl. Cost wise if you buy a emulator /burner it’s not that much more for a ebl. IMO money well spent to be able to do ve learns.
You can do ve tuning yourself with spreadsheets.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-...uide-book.html
wow this is exactly what I needed to answer my questions on tuning. Thank you and whoever compiled and organized this is awesome
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