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Car: 1991 Z28 Vert
Engine: 383 single plane efi
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 8.8 with 3.73s
need 16171199 definition file (.ads)
I am trying to help a friend out who has a 93 chevy pickup truck with a recently rebuilt tbi motor. The ecm service number it uses is 16171199. I have searched for that file and can not find it. I have not tried WinBin yet, but I do not have high hopes for it. Where can I find the definition file for it? I looked for a while on diy-efi.org as well as here. Everything on the engine looks the same as the thirdgen setup. If one can not be found, I might just re pin it to work with one of my old 8746 ecm's.
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
From ALDL Stuff file
This may be what you need. If not, check out the file on Craig's site and determine whice one will work.
Code:
DATA STREAM A104 SPECIFICATION
SPECIFICATIONS FOR DATA STREAM INFORMATION
-------------------------------------------
ENGINE USAGE:
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 90 C/K TRUCK
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 91 S/T TRUCK W/MANUAL TRANSMISSION
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 91 C,K,G,M,L TRUCK W/MANUAL TRANSMIS
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 90 M/L/G
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 90 S/T TRUCK W/MANUAL TRANSMISSION
4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 92 C,K,S,T,M,L,G TRUCK
* 4.3L TBI (LB4) (VIN=Z) 93 C,K TRUCK
DATA PIN : READ DATA ON PIN "E" OF ALDL CONNECTOR
BAUD RATE : 160 BAUD
OPEN MODE - 23 BYTES
10K MODE - 23 BYTES
SHORTED MODE - 23 BYTES
ALDL DATA LIST
NUMBER OF DATA WORDS - 23
ALDL MODE
WORD BIT LOCATION
WORD BIT DESCRIPTION
---- --- ---------------
1 MODE WORD 2
0 ROAD SPEED PULSE OCCURRED
1 ESC 43B READY FOR SECOND PE
2 REFERENCE PULSE OCCURRED
3 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN FACTORY TEST POSITION (3.9K)
4 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN DIAGNOSTIC POSITION (0 OHMS)
5 DIAGNOSTIC SWITCH IN ALDL POSITION (10k)
6 1ST TIME IDLE FLAG 0 = FIRST TIME
7 IDLE FLAG 1=TPS < KISTPSI & MPH < KIDLMPH
2 PROMID (MSB)
3 PROMID (LSB) PROMID = (MSB)*256 + (LSB)
4 IAC PRESENT POSITION N = COUNTS
5 COOLANT TEMPERATURE SEE TABLE 1
6 VEHICLE SPEED MPH = N
7 MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE VOLTS = N * .0196
8 ENGINE RPM RPM = N * 25
9 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR VOLTS = N * .0196
10 CLOSED LOOP INTEGRATOR NONE
11 OXYGEN SENSOR MILLIVOLTS = N * 4.34
12 MALFFLG1
0 MALF CODE 24 VEHICLE SPEED SENSOR
1 (MALF CODE 23)
2 MALF CODE 22 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR LOW
3 MALF CODE 21 THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR HIGH
4 MALF CODE 15 COOLANT SENSOR LOW
5 MALF CODE 14 COOLANT SENSOR HIGH
6 MALF CODE 13 OXYGEN SENSOR
7 MALF CODE 12 NO REFERENCE PULSES
13 MALFFLG2
0 MALF CODE 42 ELECTRONIC SPARK TIMING MONITOR ERROR
1 (MALF CODE 41)
2 (MALF CODE 35)
3 MALF CODE 34 MAP SENSOR LOW
4 MALF CODE 33 MAP SENSOR HIGH
5 MALF CODE 32 EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION FAILURE
6 MALF CODE 31 GOVERNOR FAILURE
7 (MALF CODE 25)
14 MALFFLG3
0 MALF CODE 55 ADU ERROR
1 MALF CODE 54 FUEL PUMP RELAY FAILURE
2 (MALF CODE 53)
3 MALF CODE 52 CAL PACK MISSING
4 MALF CODE 51 PROM ERROR
5 MALF CODE 45 OXYGEN SENSOR RICH
6 MALF CODE 44 OXYGEN SENSOR LEAN
7 MALF CODE 43 ELECTRONIC SPARK CONTROL FAILURE
15 MWAF1
0 CLEAR FLOOD FLAG 1 = CRANKED IN C/FLOOD
1 LEARN CONTROL ENABLE FLAG 1 = ENABLE STORE
2 LOW BATTERY 1 = LOW
3 4-3 DOWNSHIFT FOR TCC UNLOCK
4 ASYNCHRONOUS FLAG
5 OLD HIGH GEAR FLAG 0 = HIGH GEAR LAST TIME
6 RICH LEAN FLAG 1 = RICH 0 = LEAN
7 CLOSED LOOP FLAG 1 = CLOSED LOOP
16 BATTERY VOLTAGE VOLTS = N * .1
17 MCU2IO
0 AIR SWITCH 1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED
1 AIR DIVERT 1 = SOLENOID ENGAGED
2 OF3 A/C 1 = A/C DISABLED
3 TCC 1 = TCC LOCKED
4 PARK NEUTRAL 0 = DRIVE
5 HIGH GEAR 0 = SWITCH OPEN
6 FRTJ (NOT USED)
7 AIR CONDITIONER 0 = A/C REQUESTED
18 OLDPA3 N = COUNTS
19 BASE PULSE COURSE CORRECTION(BLM)
20 O2 CROSS COUNTS N = COUNTS
21 FUEL PUMP POWER SWITCH VOLTAGE V = N/10
22 DESIRED IDLE RPM RPM = 12.5N
23 RESCALED TPS % = N/2.55
TABLE 1 --- COOLANT TEMPERATURE
A/D DEGREES
COUNTS C
------- -------
255 -40
251 -30
250 -25
247 -20
245 -15
241 -10
237 - 5
231 0
225 5
218 10
209 15
199 20
189 25
177 30
165 35
152 40
139 45
126 50
114 55
102 60
92 65
81 70
72 75
64 80
56 85
50 90
44 95
39 100
34 105
30 110
26 115
23 120
21 125
18 130
16 135
14 140
13 145
12 150
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That might be what I need, but I need a file that I can download and put into TunerPro for datalogging. What do you do with those?
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
If you believe the "A104" is the correct one for his truck then open TP and create the file.
Its not hard but takes alittle time to get everything entered.
Start with an existing ADS file loaded.
Do a "save as" and rename it to what you want.
Delete all the entries that exist so you can start fresh.
Then, using the info from the A104 definition add the items starting at the top. (they can be rearranged later)
First one is a word with bits...
Byte # 0, bit 0
Enter description from the text.
The "alarm boxes will make the display turn BOLD RED if the parameter read is turned on/off.
Its not hard but takes alittle time to get everything entered.
Start with an existing ADS file loaded.
Do a "save as" and rename it to what you want.
Delete all the entries that exist so you can start fresh.
Then, using the info from the A104 definition add the items starting at the top. (they can be rearranged later)
First one is a word with bits...
Byte # 0, bit 0
Enter description from the text.
The "alarm boxes will make the display turn BOLD RED if the parameter read is turned on/off.
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
The "words" or full byte values are entered the same way.
Enter the byte number, and the description.
The formulas are next to the items so that makes it a little easier than surfing to find the answer.
Remember one thing on the formulas, when using divide it is not how you would think.
It is not the data value divided by the factor, it is the factor divided by the data from the ALDL. That has thrown me a few times and may require you to do the figuring of how to display something correctly.
If the value is 16 bit or 2 numbers long then select that in the box.
Enter the byte number, and the description.
The formulas are next to the items so that makes it a little easier than surfing to find the answer.
Remember one thing on the formulas, when using divide it is not how you would think.
It is not the data value divided by the factor, it is the factor divided by the data from the ALDL. That has thrown me a few times and may require you to do the figuring of how to display something correctly.
If the value is 16 bit or 2 numbers long then select that in the box.
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
To get the data flowing you need to make the header definition.
This is the top item on the display and sends the command to the ECM to begin transferring data.
Enter the generic info in the boxes.
You want to check the "160 baud" box for this application, otherwise it will try to do 8196 baud which will probably not work.
The command to the ecm should be entered by the separate edit command button.
You would want to check all three boxes for this command.
(See the TP help file for more details on them)
I do see a problem in that the command for this datastream is not there
Maybe I deleted it when editing the post originally.
Download the ALDL Stuff.zip from and re-extract the A104 (or whatever file definition you need to create) and see if it is there.
HTH,
Jp
ps, Ignore the note in the box that says "Wrong"
This is the top item on the display and sends the command to the ECM to begin transferring data.
Enter the generic info in the boxes.
You want to check the "160 baud" box for this application, otherwise it will try to do 8196 baud which will probably not work.
The command to the ecm should be entered by the separate edit command button.
You would want to check all three boxes for this command.
(See the TP help file for more details on them)
I do see a problem in that the command for this datastream is not there
Maybe I deleted it when editing the post originally.
Download the ALDL Stuff.zip from and re-extract the A104 (or whatever file definition you need to create) and see if it is there.
HTH,
Jp
ps, Ignore the note in the box that says "Wrong"
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
The command editor.
@#$%, I don't see the command string in the definition file!
Anybody know what to try?
The string shown is from the 7730 ECM.
The payload size is 23 from the definition file so that is known.
The payload offset will be the first actual byte of data in the returning stream. The first few "may" be response codes from the ECM and not data so TP accounts for that. You may have to do some trial and error values of 3 or 4 to see where the data actually starts to be lined up with the defined items in you file.
@#$%, I don't see the command string in the definition file!
Anybody know what to try?
The string shown is from the 7730 ECM.
The payload size is 23 from the definition file so that is known.
The payload offset will be the first actual byte of data in the returning stream. The first few "may" be response codes from the ECM and not data so TP accounts for that. You may have to do some trial and error values of 3 or 4 to see where the data actually starts to be lined up with the defined items in you file.
Last edited by JP86SS; Oct 12, 2005 at 04:06 PM.
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
I hope that helps you build a usable file but without the command sequence it just may not work!
Hope someone can provide aid for that.
Jp
Hope someone can provide aid for that.
Jp
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