got my programmer and accessories ordered today, getting my ducks in a row.

Went with the Burn2, ALDL cable, GP1, and picked up a HDR1 as well so I can pull my stock PROM file for comparison.

Since my 9th injector is already bad, I've decided just to start with a 1989 bin file. $6E
APYR-3506 89 305 Camaro AT.bin

Seems like a good starting point to me.

I found here
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/
a Modified bin for an 89 with the same engine/trans combo.
89 TPI 305/A4 '86-'89 F-body with 305/TPI/A4 No VATS (Built from M5 stock image) APYS 9350
"built from M5 stock image" throws me off a bit.. Is that a BMW M5? did BMW use the same computer as chevy? The numbers I'm seeing look pretty aggressive from what I learned so far, so maybe I should just throw that out and concentrate on the stock image upgrade...

One question I do have. I have a Injector delete plate and rail screw on order to cap those off... What do I do with the Cold start switch? Unplug it? Leave it be?

 

M5 = manual 5-speed trans.

Many of the files on Davis' site are crappy. Have zeroed tables, are incorrectly marked, ect. Be very suspect.

Unplug the sender and injector. You can leave the injector and line if it does not leak into the intake.

 

Ah, M5 transmission makes more sense.. I saw BMW Bins on the Moates site and for some reason when I saw M5 i was thinking BMW....

The AYPR 6E bin is probably what I'll use as a base. Just look at the others for reference to see whats been changed mostly...

I ordered the Blockoffs for the injector.. Guess I'll just find the right sized plug for the sender. (Hate leaving stuff in there that isnt being used)

 

I don't know that I'd be too keen on running a bin that had anything to do with a manual transmission in a stock automatic car. I'm going to start off assuming that he took the factory automatic bin and moved over some of the info (MAF Tables, S/A Tables, etc.) from the manual transmission bin, otherwise it wouldn't operate the TCC properly. That being the case, I would be careful about using the manual bin for the following two reasons:

1. If you're using a factory LB9 auto and you put in the MAF tables/injector constants from a factory LB9 manual, you're going to be off. The manual trans cars used the L98 cam, the auto cars used the peanut cam. Two completely different air requirements.

2. The Spark Advance tables in the Automatic bin are set up to work with the TCC. At certain points in the table (where the TCC would be locking up), timing is retarded slightly to prevent detonation. At least that's the way it is in the bin's that I've looked at.

That's not to say don't use the manual transmission bin as a reference when modifying your factory parameters, but I would be sure to datalog before you change anything to see where you are at from the factory, and datalog after you make any changes (particularly changes to the S/A table, detonation=really bad).

Just my $.02. I'm going through the same process right now with my L98.

-cal30sniper

 

Thanks for the advice. Makes sense. I'll relegate that BIN to "reference only" and start with the stock 89 BIN I found.

Getting excited to datalog... am I strange?

 

Did you want to edit this?

Ducks sounds better.

 

That depends on your previous posts editing...

It's perfectly understandable to be excited in anticipation of your new tuning gear from Craig.

 

Ouch. Edited

 

Hardware showed up today! now I'm dangerous....

I decided to try to burn my baseline chip. Going to be in the garage most of the day tomorrow with the car and just wanted to play and get a head start.

Opened TunerPro RT
Hardware: Flash & Burn v5.14.F Reported in the lower left hand side.

loaded the 89 stock 89 Bin File I found.

Loaded the 6Eexpanded.XDF
Loaded the 1227165.adx (Probably didnt need to do that sine I'm not logging anything right now)

Disabled Vats (dont have it)
Disabled my AIR pump (Changed offset to 0 and increased Divert Temp to 151C) (Currently broken)

lowered my Fan On Temps to 185 (174 degree thermostat)

Saved the Bin to a New Unique name.

Opened Moates PROM I/O
Selected 27SF512
Blank Check- Chip is not blank! (thats odd...?)
Erase Chip
Blank Check- Chip is blank

Load file to buffer (Selected my saved BIN file)

Verified addresses

Buffer addressing
Start 000000
End 000FFF

Chip Addressing
Start 00F000
End 00FFFF

Program Chip! OK!

Verify Chip w/ Buffer. OK!

Just for fun, I closed everything in TR-RT and then read my chip and saved the bin as a new file. Compared bins and everything matched perfectly.

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I plan on doing some datalogging tomorrow on my stock ECM $32B before I swap the new chip into the ECM. See if I can see any differences.

Also will Pull my stock BIN off the chip for Reference. I think most people are going to a 6E 89' BIN at this point, but heck, I'm sure someone would like a stock 88305/AT BIN file in their library.

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Please warn me if I'm going to blow something up tomorrow

Otherwise, I'm sure I'll have a few more questions over the weekend as I start to dial stuff in....

Kinda regretting not getting the Ostrich at this point.... Real time emulation would indeed be handy... Oh well... at least I have the extra chip so I can work on one while the other is in the car.

Thanks for the help so far!

 

You should also lower the O2 windows by the same amount that the AIR offset was. Typically the offset is 100 mV, and there are three O2 window tables: Mean, Rich, and Lean.

RBob.

 

That addressing is incorrect.

You should have a 16384 byte file size when working with the 165 ECU.

The addressing should be chip=00C000-00FFFF buffer=000000-003FFF.

Hope this helps,
Craig

 

hmmmm... But my Bin size is 4k...

I was going by this on Moates.net
http://www.moates.net/documentation....entation_id=75

Do I need to stack my Bin?

I'm sure you are correct, because at the moment, my car wont start with the chip I Burned...

 

No need to stack, if you used the 89f305a4 APYS.bin from Davis's site it is a 16 KB BIN.

RBob.

 

I was warned not to use that one so I kinda set it aside.

I found a Stock (Said it was stock anyway) 89 305/AT Bin. It was 4k.

WHen I download my stock chip into Prom I/O it downloads a 4k file.(AKFP)

when I load that BIN into TUnerpro RT, However, with the 32B XDF from moats, all my parameters are garbage.

 

Ah ha..... FOrgot to adjust my chip location parameters for 16k and then reread the chip. GOt a good 16K AKFP Stock Bin now.



Still.. the File I was working with is from Moats...
APYR-3506 89 305 Camaro AT.bin

Its only 4k

 

Found an APYM Bin File that is 16k. gonna try that one. Maybe the file I got from Moats isnt quite right.

 

AYPM works fine. It works even better when you remember to disable the VATS flag....

I'm getting some really stange numbers on my data logging now.

I suspect it has to do with the higher baud rate 6e runs at? attached is a chunk of log.

the fields bounce around quite a bit. but seem tone bouncing between 2 distinct sets of numbers. If it was a baud issue, I would expect errors and random readings....

For example, Prom ID bounces between D8F and 10D.

coolant temp reading seems pegged at 240.... Dash gauge says 160 and the car certainly doenst appear to be running anywhere near 240.

TPS still shows a .54-1.33 range in the RT Dash. Confirmed .54- 4.18 at the ECM with a Multimeter.

 

Today the log was much more stable for some reason. Still have some odd sensor readings. Started a new thread on those though since they seem to be unrelated to this thread now.