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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 01:26 AM
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Wiring a light up switch?

Ok, I am pretty maticulous when it comes to wiring. Every wire I route is in a loom and I take my time getting it done right.

Now, I have a little problem that I wasn't able to solve at midnight (partially due to lack of sleep).

I am trying to wire both of my fans (dual fan set up) and I've located both the green w/white, and the gray wire. I T-ed into them and routed them to the center of the car (about where gain switch, or defrost switch is on some cars).

I have the toggle switches that have a little indicator light if its engaged. The back of it reads, EARTH, SUPPLY, SOURCE.

My problem is that I am trying to ground the green and gray wire (so basically there is no 12 volts running through the switch.

I found the pink wire with black stripe (guages fuse) and I T-ed off of that (after the fuse) to see if I can use it as a lead. The pink w/black wire is 12volt with ignition. Hot when ignition is on.

I have a really good ground, and both fans engage when i connect them to that ground.

How can I possibly wire the ground along with the fan wire and possibly the hot (only w/ignition on) wire to have the fans turn on and have the bulb light up.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 02:29 AM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

To simplify the question.

How in the blue hell do you wire a 3 post toggle and have the fan wire grounded and the light on the toggle lit up??
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 02:48 AM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

I wired a similar rocker switch up for my under car neons. One with a red LED that lights up when "on". This is what I figured out (and someone else can correct me if I'm wrong). EARTH, SUPPLY, SOURCE is EARTH=ground SUPPLY=to fan switch(or neons in my case), and SOURCE=12v.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 06:05 AM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

If HCR13's label definitions are correct, and your switch has a lamp (not an LED) then here is how you have to connect it: SOURCE to Ground, SUPPLY to Green/Gray (dk green/white?), EARTH to Pink/Black. Preferably you should use the Brown Fan Fuse wire instead of the Pink/Black wire but it's not crucial. (The switch will light up in bulb test & start, (and also in run if the fan fuse fails)).
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

Yes, it has a lamp, and I connected it how you guys told me and the lamp did not come on.

Than I tried switching the ground and the source and blew a fuse (for the 4th time). If I connect the green wire with the ground where the light is, it lights up, but the fan does not come on. If I move the green wire to the opposite terminal the fan comes on, but no light.

I'll have to figure this out, but for now I am running them without the light.
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Old Sep 21, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

Not quite sure what you've done and what you're trying to explain.. The only way to blow the fuse is to connect SUPPLY to Pink/Black, SOURCE to Ground, (or vice versa), and turn on the switch.. Are you sure it's not an LED that's in the switch? It would refuse to light with the reversed polarity of this configuration. If you go here: http://ovo.ca/wiring/wiring.html and click on Fig.4 you'll see an example of exactly what you're trying to do. Unfortunately the guy seems to have reversed the labeling on the switch in the diagram (or configured the relay incorrectly), plus he doesn't use the same labels as are on your switch.. Hth..
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

I think that the fact that I am just trying to ground a wire might not work with the light.

Its hard to explain when I keep forgetting the configurations that I tried. The funny thing is, if I connect the green wire with the ground on the same two posts that activate the light, the light comes on, but the fan does not.

I just have not been able to figure out which configuration would work. It seems like I tried every one and I either blew a fuse or got the light to come on without the fan and vice versa.

These are the wires that I have. Green with white stripe (the fan wire that needs to be grounded). The ground itself, and the pink wire with black stripe which is hot only with ignition on.

I am just not sure that I would be able to have the light on at the same time with the fan on. Let me know if anyone has wired these straight up. I could go with a relay and figure it out, but its already taken too much time and its pissing me off.
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 06:52 AM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

Let me see if I understand what you are trying to do here. You are trying to run both the green w/white and gray wires to ground in order to turn the fans on and you want a switch/switches to light up when you turn the fans on. If that is what you are trying to do, you don't need the pink/black wire to supply 12volts to the switch to light it up as there will be 12v coming through the wires from the fans. You would need to connect the green w/white and gray wires to the SOURCE side of the switch, and then connect BOTH the SUPPLY and EARTH sides to ground. This way, when you turn the switch on, it will light up and the fans will turn on. You are probably going to need 2 switches for this, one for the green w/white wire and one for the gray wire, I'm not sure if they can be connected to the same switch without blowing the fans' fuse. This would also allow you to control each fan separately.

Using the pink/black wire on the switch essentially feeds 12volts into the ground side of the fans, which is why you are blowing the fuses(you have 12v on both sides of the circuit with no ground). The current needs to flow through the fans to the switches, then to ground to complete the circuit. I normally don't use these switches on the ground side of a circuit, not because they won't work, its just easier to wire them on the 12v side. If you are going to use the pink/black wire, you would have to wire it as follows: Pink/Black to SOURCE side of switch, SUPPLY to the 12v fan wires(not sure of the colors), and EARTH to ground. Then reconnect your gray and green w/white wires where you cut them.
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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Re: Wiring a light up switch?

Thats one of the things that I did not think about. Hmmm. I'll try to wire it that way.

Thanks.


P.S. That makes sense.
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