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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Wouldn't you know it, that on what promises to be the coldest day in years, my g.f. opens her window [for no apparent reason], and it gets stuck.
Wonderful driving home with a window down 4" and a record wind-chill factor.
Anyway, after returning home and drinking a gallon of hot Lipton tea, I switched left/right switches, and nothing. So I peeled up the mint door panel with my fingers and hit the motor with a screwdriver handle. Nothing. Then hit it again. Eureka!!! Window now works as it should. Then I brought both switches into the house for a rebuild, even though they are not the problem.

What happened? And where is that auto-resetting breaker that I probably dislodged by hitting the motor? Is it the motor or a faulty built-in breaker? What do I need to do, besides to wait for a thaw?

This is my 1st experience with the innards of a Firebird's door.

Thank You,

Seth
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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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The SOLID STATE circuit breaker is in the motor.

There is a common breaker in the fuse block.

The motor’s commutator might be worn on a spot thereby causing the symptom you describe.




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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

The window motor it going/gone bad and has a dead spot on it, you jarred it loose when you tapped it. You will eventually have to replace the motor sooner than later.
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Old Jan 14, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

So what you two gentlemen are saying is that I need to locate a replacement motor [of highest quality, I hope], and install it when things thaw out.
In the factory repair book, they insist that for one's own safety, you drill a hole through the housing and into the half-moon gear to provide a place for a nut and bolt so that it can be locked in position.
They also suggest to get a pair of hard rubber wedge-type door stops to lock the heavy glass to the sheetmetal so it cannot fall.

Both good ideas.
Perhaps I should locate two replacement motors.

Thank You again,

Seth
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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Make you wish ‘global warming’ was real !



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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Seems like 'NINA' believes that global warming is simply a fairytale.
There is 1/2 the amount of free oxygen of 150 years ago. To initially make the air usable to life as we recognize it, took over one billion years work from single-celled plants.

All life on this small ball of s**t is destined for a quick slide into extinction. Really sad, and oh so avoidable.

Seth
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Not meaning to pick a fight here, but I am really curious as to your source for that figure.
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Old Jan 15, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Originally Posted by NoTransistors
Seems like 'NINA' believes that global warming is simply a fairytale.
There is 1/2 the amount of free oxygen of 150 years ago. To initially make the air usable to life as we recognize it, took over one billion years work from single-celled plants.

All life on this small ball of s**t is destined for a quick slide into extinction. Really sad, and oh so avoidable.

Seth

Umm about that yea it's actually colder now then it was 20 years ago. So there is no such thing as global warming. Scientist tell you that the polar ice gap is melting where it actually is but in other parts of the antartic the ice has gotten thicker.

Anyhow yea defiantly watch out for that scissors thing on the window i went in there blind, grinder spinning, and it just about took off my fingers lol no lie.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

The Earth is known to have gone through both minor and major climate changes throughout time. The weather is expected to normally fluctuate a bit.

What do you think happens to all that oxygen that we recombine with carbon, through burning things? It becomes CO2, which only the dwindling photo-synthetic plant kingdom can reverse.

It is no secret that we have far less oxygen to breathe.
It is also no secret that the oceans have been absorbing the CO2 excess and when a limit is reached, or when the waters become a bit warmer, all that CO2 will be released into the air, with more or less catastrophic results.

Do you have a solid arguement to the contrary????????????

In my opinion, anyone that denies the mess we have created is like the proverbial ostrich with it's head buried in the sand.

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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Im only interested in the figure you stated. 1/2 the free oxygen of 150 years ago.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Originally Posted by NoTransistors
Seems like 'NINA' believes that global warming is simply a fairytale.
There is 1/2 the amount of free oxygen of 150 years ago. To initially make the air usable to life as we recognize it, took over one billion years work from single-celled plants.

All life on this small ball of s**t is destined for a quick slide into extinction. Really sad, and oh so avoidable.

Seth
LOL all the **** this planet has been through and you think we're gonna destroy it. I agree we have ill effect on it, but no way it ever kill the planet. maybe us but not the earth. I could only wish for some more heat -45C isn't warm enough for me. If your a firm beliver i think you should sell your car, and start WALKING like the rest of the shovelers out there, cuz all the bitching and complaining and facts you have wont make a difference until you change. And vehicles contribute less then 6% of the worlds co2 and harmful polutions soo don't try and lay any blame here if thats your plan.

Your correct but think hard, 150yrs ago the worlds popultaion was probably close to 1 billion. so think about what effect 6 billion people have on the earth. You wanna solve the problem i can only see 1 solution. Overpopulation is the worlds largest issue, fix that and you can save the planet.

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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

If you are going to keep burning things, at least stop eliminating forests, fields, lawns, blades of grass.
Chlorophyll is our only hope.
It is much more than cars. Blame factories and deforestation.
Until an asteroid once again strikes us, the Earth itself will indeed survive. But it just might be a rock with zero life until then.
The amount of FREE oxygen before and presently available is documented, and is no secret.
I will not give up the car, but my English-made Raleigh bike is ready for spring.
New tires and tubes, gasoline-soaked and re-lubed chain, cleaned and re-packed bearings, gel seat pad, new Campy seat post, gel handle-bar tape, re-adjusted French-made spokes, and a nice Simonize job.

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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

ANYWAY... Your window motors are gone but you may not need to buy replacement motors. When you pull one out you can open it up and see the little copper 'brushes' will likely be worn to near a nub. Take the pieces/parts to a local electric motor place and you may get lucky and be able to acquire replacement brushes. Those and a good cleaning are all they really need.

New motors run around $40+

With the door panel off you can block up the window so it won't fall then drill out the rivets to release the motor. It is, however, a good idea to pull out the track and clean and lube it while you're there, which will require placing the little doohickey in the scissor mechanism to keep it from sproinging.

If you re-install the motors with the little bolts/nuts provided with a new motor (instead of new rivets) use a little dab of JB weld to hold the nuts on the back of the motor. Makes it so much easier to start the screws through them-there's NO room to get your hand back there. Don't need enough to lock them in place. Once you get them started a wrench can be finagled over them.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Brooklyn used to be the land of plenty. We actually had a bearing store and several electric-motor rebuild shops, not to mention a place where I had custom A.C. hoses fabricated for the home-made A.C. on my Triumph convertible.
Thanks for the money-saving hint.
Will let you know how it turns out IN THE SPRING.

Seth
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Not to be an a-hole, but your the first person I've ever seen worried about global warming that also drives a muscle car. It's kind of an oxymoron.

Usually people that are concerned with global warming drive Prius' and Civics.

In any case, do be careful when you replace the window motor. There are a lot of opportunities to pinch and lose fingers.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

My 'Bird is hardly a 'muscle car'; simply a gass guzzler. The 4-cylinder mint Triumph that I stupidly sold [it would now be worth 5 to 7x the 2 grand that I sold it for], was nearly as fast because of the wonderful H.P. to weight ratio, and an equally wonderful Jaguar 5-speed. Also handled better than the Firebird. Getting 35+ mpg on the road could have qualified it as 'green'.
I also once owned a 440 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham coupe'.
Serious horses and the largest/heaviest unit-body car I had ever seen.
I agree that I am a contradiction. Most people say just that.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 06:03 AM
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Re: Window Motor and A Serious Wind-Chill Factor

Originally Posted by 91blue_phoenix
Not to be an a-hole, but your the first person I've ever seen worried about global warming that also drives a muscle car. It's kind of an oxymoron.

Usually people that are concerned with global warming drive Prius' and Civics.
We RECYCLE. If I weren't keeping mine on the road it'd be in a JY and another new car would have been pushed off an assembly line.
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