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Old Nov 20, 2022 | 04:02 PM
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Gauge and trans wiring

Hello I’m swapping my 85 Camaro to a carb but I’d like to keep my electric gauges and from the 92 I took out of and the harness and the 700r4 but I’m curious will the computer even still work with them if the engine isn’t fuel injected anymore
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 10:58 AM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

The only way you can use 90-92 gauges in a 82-89 car is to swap the entire dah housing. It is NOT a plug-and-play swap,... there will be several changes / modification to the 90-902 dash housing wiring harness so it properly connects to the 82-89 wiring correctly. You will also need to remove the existing dash housing brackets ( spot welded to the firewall ) and install the 90-92 specific brackets. Tranny speedo sending unit will also need to be changed to an electric VSS ( and custom make/install the wiring it needs )

In other words,... you can make it work; but it will take a TON of effort !

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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 11:24 AM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

Originally Posted by John in RI
The only way you can use 90-92 gauges in a 82-89 car is to swap the entire dah housing. It is NOT a plug-and-play swap,... there will be several changes / modification to the 90-902 dash housing wiring harness so it properly connects to the 82-89 wiring correctly. You will also need to remove the existing dash housing brackets ( spot welded to the firewall ) and install the 90-92 specific brackets. Tranny speedo sending unit will also need to be changed to an electric VSS ( and custom make/install the wiring it needs )

In other words,... you can make it work; but it will take a TON of effort !

yea I have the 92 dash and harness I just know the old one ran off the tv cable and I didn’t know if the electric ones would work with a carb
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 01:27 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

No matter what,.... if you swap to a carb ( and do nothing else ) you will need to get yourself a Carb TV cable for the 700R4. The Throttle Body, TPI, V8 Carb, & V6 TV cables are all different lengths and you need to use the right one.



If you expect to try and swap dashes,..... this is what the dash housing bracket look like: ( You'll need to remove the originals and install the 90-92 style. )

82-89:


90-92:




The 82-89 Camaros used a cable VSS in the tranny for speedo,...... the 90-92 cars used and electric VSS. Other than that a 90-92 Camaro tranny is 100% compatible with a 84-89 Camaro.

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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 01:33 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

Originally Posted by John in RI
No matter what,.... if you swap to a carb ( and do nothing else ) you will need to get yourself a Carb TV cable for the 700R4. The Throttle Body, TPI, V8 Carb, & V6 TV cables are all different lengths and you need to use the right one.



If you expect to try and swap dashes,..... this is what the dash housing bracket look like: ( You'll need to remove the originals and install the 90-92 style. )

82-89:


90-92:




The 82-89 Camaros used a cable VSS in the tranny for speedo,...... the 90-92 cars used and electric VSS. Other than that a 90-92 Camaro tranny is 100% compatible with a 84-89 Camaro.

cool thanks I’ll have to get the kit for the tv cable and then for the torque converter bypass do you know when a good time to switch it on is? Would I just switch it on when I’m at a cruising speed?
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 05:59 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

You are going to want to keep using the Torque Converter Lock-Up.
You will overheat and prematurely cause the THM700-R4 unless...
The Transmission is modified (TCC Apply Valve from TransGo), or a Non-Lock-Up TC is used.

The Lock-Up feature is electrically operated and does not require any electronics or computer module.
Vacuum Switch, Brake Pedal Switch, Electric TCC Kits are available to keep Lock-Up.

If you are not savvy with Our Vehicles yet, I recommend the Kit in the Hyperlink below:

Try purchasing this through Summit Racing (or where ever the best deal is):
Product Site

Summit Racing

Also if your Vehicle uses a Speedometer Drive-Cable for the Speedometer/ Odometer...
You will need to obtain an Adapter/ Converter for the Speedometer Gear Housing, to swap to VSS.



Something like the product in the Hyperlink below:
Adapter
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 06:07 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

Originally Posted by Jordan Ruddick
yea I have the 92 dash and harness I just know the old one ran off the tv cable and I didn’t know if the electric ones would work with a carb
I am just going back to this comment that you Posted for clarification.

The Interior Wiring for the Instrument Panel is in no way connected to the THM700-R4 Throttle-Valve Cable.
You may be thinking of the Speedometer Drive-Cable for the Speedometer/ Odometer.
The TV Cable must be used, but it only goes to a Carburetor Base-Plate/ Linkage or to Throttle-Body Linkage.

Electric/ VSS Speedometers can be used with any type of Air-Fuel Induction...
The Transmission just needs to have the ability to use a VSS; which the THM700-R4 does.
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 06:21 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

Originally Posted by vorteciroc
You are going to want to keep using the Torque Converter Lock-Up.
You will overheat and prematurely cause the THM700-R4 unless...
The Transmission is modified (TCC Apply Valve from TransGo), or a Non-Lock-Up TC is used.

The Lock-Up feature is electrically operated and does not require any electronics or computer module.
Vacuum Switch, Brake Pedal Switch, Electric TCC Kits are available to keep Lock-Up.

If you are not savvy with Our Vehicles yet, I recommend the Kit in the Hyperlink below:

Try purchasing this through Summit Racing (or where ever the best deal is):
Product Site

Summit Racing

Also if your Vehicle uses a Speedometer Drive-Cable for the Speedometer/ Odometer...
You will need to obtain an Adapter/ Converter for the Speedometer Gear Housing, to swap to VSS.



Something like the product in the Hyperlink below:
Adapter
ok cool that’s actually the kit I was getting I just didn’t know if it was a turn it on when the cars on and it does all the work or if you have to switch it on and off while driving
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 06:29 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

My original intention was to go with a tpi with aftermarket heads and the older intake to fit them and just get the manifold and the runners ported but when I sent the computer to get burned the guy said the cam I got is too big so now I’m switching it to carb which I never really wanted to do to begin with
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 07:50 PM
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Re: Gauge and trans wiring

You can look into a PROM for the 1990 - 1992 Speed Density/ MAP Induction System and ECM.
That may be an option for you Engine Combination in order to retain TPI.

You would have to search Our Forum for more details/ answers on this...
These Systems were before my time at GM.
The only areas that I did any "Old Technology" research on...
Were Packard Electrical Systems and Hydra-Matic (No Engine or Induction research).
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