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Old May 15, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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can't get it to idle

Hey guys,

I've put an XE294H cam shaft into my TPI engine, and now I can't get this thing to idle at any setting (fuel and spark). any ideas?
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Old May 15, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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Too much cam

Wrong cam

Not enough induction system

Needs chip programming and even them the cam is at least 2 cams too big to have any hope of running right in any motor smaller than a 400

Maybe some other things too, but I suspect all of them have something to do with a very bad cam selection, a total mismatch for TPI in every possible way.
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Old May 15, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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yep. that's what I thought
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Old May 15, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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how about push rod lenght. is it supposed to be 7.8, or 7.375?
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Old May 15, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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7.390 would be "stock"; hard to say what it's supposed to be.... whatever your push rod checker measured it to be, I guess.
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Old May 15, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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Engine: 260 boat anchor Mexican 350 (crate) TPI (MAF)
Transmission: THM-400 I turn 3500 (which is where my pos engine's power starts droping off) at 80 I need a 4L80-E
try changing your idle to 2500 rpm's that should help.

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Old May 16, 2004 | 04:50 PM
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well. I think that I will just change the cam shaft instead. I've got a cam with 443/465 114 that I'm going to put into this instead.
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Old May 17, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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Help!! I've just put together a 5.7 with a crane cam 280H series, actually a blue racer cam wg-1159, and I can't get the car to start or even to fire! I've checked the timing chain, timing marks, distributor, valve adjustments, everything that I can think of, can anyone help? I just changed from the XE294H cam as I thought that was the problem, too much cam, but I'm having the same problem with the smaller cam..

specs are adv dur 280/290 .050 dur 214 224 vlv lift 443 465.. so not a really big cam, but I'm having lots of problems getting to to run.

thanks

dale
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Old May 18, 2004 | 05:51 AM
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Make sure the rotor is pointing to the #1 plug terminal when the engine is at #1 firing. Don't forget there are 2 instances of #1 TDC during one complete engine cycle; on;y one of them is #1 firing. The other is at the end of the exhaust stroke and beginning of the intake stroke. Find which one is #1 firing by compression in the #1 cyl.

When you installed the timing chain, if you did it "dot to dot", that is the other instance of #1 TDC. Perfectly valid for building of course, but not #1 firing. From that point, you'd need to rotate the crank exactlyt one complete revolution, which will put the dots both at 12:00; that position is #1 firing.
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