Torque173

i got a 89 RS with the 2.8 and i live near a lot of Honda rice burners. Stock 135hp isnt going to really beat too many of em. I can eather tune the V6 (chip, pulleys, intake, exhaust then later on turbo) or i could go with a 350 and have all sorts of fun with it. Right now im leaning more towards the V6 because of gas prices but, i need some opinions. Got any?

91Bird305

350 for you. Cheaper to build and it should be enough power for you for the price.

Torque173

im hoping for ATLEAST 300hp and 350lb-ft. If i get a V8 it has to be carberated, i don't really like FI unless i have to take it.

i_love_thirdgen

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FI is great but i too prefer carbs. I love the sound and have grown up around them. I thought about building my six, but i always dreamed about owning a v8 camaro so i just decided on doing a swap in mine. May i suggest looking at the sticky at the top of this section it's by five7kid... he's real good. If you feel that it's too much work or too expensive go to the v6 section of the boards the guys over there have built some serious power from the 60 degree six bangers.

UR50SLO

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I would not put a any money towards the 2.8L V6 you've got in there now.

A small block is the easy answer for somone with little experience and money.

A LT1 would be my first choice for your project. I'd hate to see you put a

carb on for the simple fact that gas isn't getting any cheaper. The LT1's can

be picked up real cheap anymore with very little problems hooking them up.

They get great MPG and have the power you want.

Just my .02cts.
~Scott

Torque173

most likely i'll do little things to the 2.8L like exhaust and intake and a chip, should get me 160hp ish? not a V8 but should beat a few honda's. Thats one of my main reasons for doing this. Half the people in my school are Honda lovin ricers and they constantly make fun of Domestics. I just wanna show em what a Bowtie can do :-D. If i have a turbo on the V6, thats basically there "technology" under my hood, if i have a V8 then thats true muscle, im leaning more towards the V8 (i want a 327 but there NOWHERE, 350 may have to do)

KrisW

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You should start by junkyard hunting and drop in a 3.4 from a 4th gen first. This will be a solid foundation for power building. It is an exact replacement for your 2.8, everything bolts up. You just need to either turn up your fuel pressure or run the 3.4 injectors.

If you cruise the V6 section you'll see that this is the foundation for most of the serious 60 degree V6 builds going on over there.

Of course, as to the original question, a turbo six is my choice. Two of the people posting above already have them! They are running Buick V6 turbo engines, similar to the Grand National setup.

Now THAT will cook some rice for dinner!!

nixon5

the v8 swap would be costly if you dont have any of the tools/ equip needed and you will also need a new tranny. If you do some mods to the v6 like ported heads, cam, headers/catback, and cold air intake then you will have around 200 hp... You gain most of the power from ported heads an exhaust right now im working on geting the pacesetter headers installed but after im done with my exhaust im going to try an find some one to port an polish my heads cuz i dont wanna screw anything up. If youre still looseing to hondas then slap a turbo on there. After the turbo yor car will destroy hondas and most of the cars your friends have. You will probabally wind up with 400 hp after the turbo.

If you are dieing for the power of a v8 then ide suggest selling your v6 and buying a v8 thirdgen cuz that would save you alot of time and money.

Torque173

great... now im 50/50. well i was doing "tune" ideas for the V6 about a month back, heres what i got and i was trying to keep it cheap.

stock 2.8L 135hp
2.5" Dual exhaust 20hp (going from 2.25single)
Cold Intake/ramair 5hp
8.8MM wires 5hp (probably wrong)
Comp chip 12hp
Crank/drive pulleys 10hp
GRAND TOTAL OF!!!!!!! 187hp!

But this deals with no internal work which i would like to do first because... in my opinion there more important. But i have no clue on who makes crankshafts, connecting rods, pistons, and valve trains for the 60* V6's. Anybody know who does?

KrisW

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Start with the 3.4. It's the best internal money you can spend.

Then there are guys here who swap the front wheel drive 3400/3500 top end and pistons on.. then turbos...

Search "firstfirebird" and you'll see what you need for 60 degree stuff.

Dumping the 2.8 long block is step #1.

xpndbl3

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sell v6 car and purchase 5.7L iroc or similar and be done already. Easiest path to choose and probably the cheapest HP per $$ no doubt.

Bullydawg

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Yeah, , 350 ftw. No Replacement for displacement. And remember this saying...

Here are 3 main things, pick 2
Fast
Cheap
Nice

Pick 2...

Nice + Fast= Not Cheap
Nice + Cheap= Not Fast
Fast and Cheap= Not Nice
...etc

Torque173

i see. i don't wanna get rid of the car (very sentimental) but i want this to be a sleeper so i don't want like to deafen people (that would be sweet though) but i don't want it to be quiet, but defanitly want power. Also my mom will be driving it sometimes and she... drives pretty slow. she drives like shes a 70yr old, you know? So i don't want an expensive motor for her to wreck, plus she would probably tap the gas and spin out with a 350. I'm thinking about gradually moving up like some people have been saying, 2.8L, 3.8L, maybe 4.3L, 305/307 then i'll probably stick with a 350. Think that would work?

KrisW

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I'll beg you, one last time...

Search the 3.4 swap. FIRST...

It really will take you in the right direction.

Torque173

i don't know, i've heard some pretty negative things about the 3.4L's. Would it be the same if i would bore and stroke out a 2.8L? Oh well i'll check it out anyways (not knock it till you try it i guess...)

KBcobra

w/ 3.1L stroker and bore i think its 3.3L its what dave12secv6 said a while back i could be wrong. the 60* 2.8L and 3.1L is a good engine but the only problem are the heads and intake manifold very restrictive. What firstfirebird is doing is a 3.4L bottom end w/ a (i think) 3500 top end fully ported and heads. they can be found on newer v6s. and he planing turbo it. hes lookin for 270hp N/A. Option #2 get a 3.8L (GN or TTA) w/ a turbo they got a mean sound to them many of people have done that swap. Option #3 350 TPI swap. Get a donor car w/ that engine and swap parts in, cheap simple swap. problem is once again manifold is too restrictive at higher RPMS, but can be replace w/ new manifold. Option # 4 LT1 swap similar to the 350 TPI except a little newer engine w/ a lot more power for your buck. Option # 5 LSx swap imo the best thing you can do to your thirdgen. little more of a challenge than then ones above from what i hear well worth it. only problem is its very expansive price ranges from 3k-10k. but thats just me

Torque173

do you think that the 3.4L intake and heads would work on teh 2.8 or would they be too big?

I was looking up parts for the 3.4L and.... i really didnt find anything for it. Maybe im not at the right sites, got any for me to browse?

KrisW

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You should thoroughly search the V6 forum here. you will find what you need there...

sofakingdom

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You're at a fork in the road.

Do you want your car to be faster? Or do you want to keep that 2.8?

Pick ONE.

That business of adding up HP gains and hallucinating that that's what you'll end up with, is a sure path to disappointment. It doesn't work like that. I'd expect if you take your 135 HP 6-cyl and do all of that to it, you'll find you wasted more than half of the money by getting ZERO detectable benefit from it (8.8mm wires and dual exhaust come IMMEDIATELY to the top of that list); and the half that DOES accomplish something, won't be re-useable when you realize that you still have a slow car, so you'll have to throw it in the trash and re-do it (chip for example). Even at that, if you do all of that stuff in that list, you'll have about $1000 tied up in it, and you probably will gain less than 15 HP from all of it.... certainly not 50. That's why people with 6-cyls NEVER beat people with V8s, no matter what they do to them, unless forced induction is involved; and at that point, you'll be spending ALOT LOT MORE than a V8 swap anyway.

People are trying to help you. They're trying to point you away from the direction that has been conclusively demonstrated over and over to be a MISTAKE. Listen to them.

ssxmac

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another vote for v8. If you want 300 hp, go lt1, 250, go l98. Just my thoughts but if you plan on making the v6 fast, (as fast as an l98 or lt1) it will most likely need a turbo. And then the costs are the same.

I would think your 700r4 could easially handle either of those. Especially if you're not running DR's.



.....you could always turbo the v8 later on

Torque173

i see what you mean . question is where could i get a LT1/LS1 at? donor car sure but i have no clue where to get them. got any sites i could check out? (if i would go for a V8 would i need to get the frame strengthened, i plan on ATLEAST 400hp)

ad356

if your expecting 400 hp, a v6 will never produce that. grand national engines dont even make close to that. if your expecting that kind of power you need to build a 383. then your better off starting with a v8 car. your trans isnt going to work, the engine mounts are different, wirring harness, and ecm are all useless. since v6 cars dont demand huge amounts of money, you should keep the v6 as an economical daily driver and build a monster powered stroker to **** off the ricers. im just going to get a rebuild a stock 350, i think that will be enough power to eat some ricers. i have one of those ricers types at my work. i cant stand boyhonda. i find it very irritating. i even told him honda civics with 4 cylinder engines are not meant to be fast, they are meant to save gas. i told him to stop trying to make something a "performance car" when it was never intended to. he goes on and on and how my 305 is a lame duck. yes in 2007 with all of the newer tech, its a lame duck 20 years later. but in its day it was faster than any 4 cylinder honda out there. its also still running great even after 20 years and 165K miles, which is proof of how durable a 305 is. a 305 vs a 4 cylinder honda engine when it comes to durability i think my l03 will win every time, and i think at least you guys would agree with me.

KBcobra

LT1 can be found in 1992-1995 vette and 1996 is LT4 (same as LT1, more power). 1993-1997 F-body are LT1s i know for sure. others i found off of wiki. 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster, 1994-1996 Cadillac Fleetwood, 1994-1996 Caprice, 1994-1996 Caprice w/ police package. 1994-1996 Impala SS. imo shoot for the F-body LT1.

LSx
1997 and up vette (note there is a generation change between those years 2005 i think was gen 4)
1998-2002 F-body
basically most V8 cars that are 1998 and up are LSx series. lol so many to list. most cars w/ SS have LSx in them
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sry but thats incorrect info. 400hp is doable NOT impossible. why do you compare a honda why not a 2JZ-GTE that are found in the Supra. I6 1500hp is doable on that compare that to your 305

91Bird305

Do not put a dime into that 2.8L. Not one single mod. Waste of money. Do not buy an LS1 or LT1 for what you are looking for.

Pick up a 350 block for 200 bucks, clean it up, throw some vortech heads on it, mild cam to match the heads (talk to comp cam or someone similar to find out what cam would work for you), simple bottom end (nothing special), edelbrock intake, 650 carb, tune, good to go for real cheap and you make around 300-350hp. Plenty of hp from what I am reading from you and very cheap.

UR50SLO

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Oh my god your on crack..... Or very blind to almost anything that's turbocharged.
There's more 11 second and faster V6 GN's than on any F-body sight.
I didn't want to point this guy in the GN direction due to budjet and being a novice. I've had everything from a 355cid to a 434sbc in my 89 Camaro and I still can't beat the performance and drivabilty I get out of my 231cid Buick V6.
~Scott

bluegrassz

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You could go with a 5.3 or 6.0 truck motor. Throw a cam/intake and carb on it and go. I can pick up a complete 5.3 with wiring harness and intake for $850. They were rated between 270 and 300 hp. Add a cam and headers and you are looking close to 350hp.

The LSX carb intakes are not cheap, but it has been done plenty of times.

Just another option for you.

KBcobra

thats beautiful my friend

91Bird305

LoL, and don't listen to this guy. Grand Nationals have no problem making well over 400hp. Not to mention other V6's. What's that? You want proof?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...b701201f81.htm

UR50SLO

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Thanks.... I built the car for a customer 5yrs ago... He ended up taking the Buick engine out and putting into his good GN. When he owned it we had it running 10.92@123mph on pump gas through the mufflers on DOT tires.
I was only out with my setup this fall. Trying to get things dialed in. I put 1600 miles on it in about 5wks. My Torque converter is too tight so I can't get a good boost launch. With a lousy 2.0 60' the car still went 11.19@124mph. With 17psi and pump gas. It's very quiet which is why I love driving it.
I plan on getting the Transmission installed with a FB "Variable Stall" controll. I should be able to boost launch where I need to be. I had been 1.48 60's with the right converter in it.
Doing a few changes to the engine this winter... Billet crank and roller cam. Hoping to dip into the lower 10s on pump to high 9's on C116
~Scott

ad356

i dont know what a fully built grand national engine can make, but as for stock its rated at 276 hp and 360 ft/torque. the 4.3 turbocharged engine from a GMC syclone makes 280 hp. this is in stock form, im not really sure what these engines can make when built. i really dont think a turbo 2.8l could make 400 hp, i find that highly unlikely. i dont want to sound ignorant but this guy wants to turbo a 2.8L, even if you could get that kind of power from a 60 degree v6, i dont think the lower end could take that kind of abuse. if this guy were to want to get a GN national or typhoon engine for his car, he would have to do the same amount of work that a v8 swap would require. the 3.8 and 4.3 are both 90 degree v6's. the best way to go is still to start out v8 car, if you had a 350 car, the block could be the basis for a stroker engine. in the end you are still better starting off with a v8 car. i think trying to get 400 hp out of a 2.8 is just day dreaming. try to find a GN engine thats affordable anyways, i think thats a "pipe dream" as well. those powerplants are prized and you will pay a pretty handsome sum of money for 1.

ad356

and yes, that turbo camaro is awesome, dont get me wrong, but that must have been an expensive build. all very custom requires $$$$$$. your car is really one of a kind and it must have some serous power. where is your radiator? what did it cost to build that anyways. where did you find a solid running GN engine with turbos? or did you build that engine yourself from a bare 3.8L block. you must have alot of experience working with that stuff(turbo and GN setups). i didnt mean it as an insult to you, sorry if you took it the wrong way. the engine in question was a 2.8, however and not a GN engine.

91Bird305

I agree that he needs to ditch the 2.8L and just go with a cheap 350 build for what he is looking for. But on a different note, it doesn't take much to get a little more power out of the GN motors. And fyi, the LC2 on an engine dyno bone stock makes 301hp. But that would beat the corvette #'s and that is why they rated them as 276 because in the GM line up, nothing is supposed to be faster then the corvette.

UR50SLO

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I did all the work myself... I do Hybrids with the GN engine alot. 90% of the parts on my car are used off TurboBuick.com If I were to have paid someone to build this your right.. I'd have ALOT of money in it. It is a 87 GN Block with aftermarket GN1 heads/Champion intake.
The radiator got moved down 2" to accomidate the intercooler pipes I made into the core support to get away from heat soak. 99% of intercooler pipes go in back of the radiator where they are hit with heat all the time..> Does not make a lick of sense.. lol.
Sorry I took it wrong... I just saw the No way a V6 thing can make power and I'm like oh god.... here we go again.
My wife's Daily driver is a 92 GMC Typhoon. I build those too. Lol...
(GN engines are cheaper to build by far than a 4.3L)

The Video link is to a newer 3800 Series 2 engine that is built up. There's some similar things with the 3800/GN. The newer 3800's have some serious potential. I'm finishing a turbo kit on one right now actually. We'll see how much the stock engine can take
You seem like a nice guy.. sorry about the snide comment earlier.
~Scott
Also.. As I mention above and have other's don't put any $ into a 2.8L.!!!!

Torque173

wow... im gone one day and i get all these posts... i must be special

well im sure if a little 1.8L from a Honduh can make 400hp im sure a 2.8L from a GM can make more then that.

Not trying to put the people down with the V6's but i've always wanted a V8 in there. i was looking at L98's and i am pretty interested. I don't want a turbo in my car because that, to me, is ***** tech under my hood. I want a V8 with a low PSi supercharger, maybe 4PSi? idk anybody know wtf im talking about. i don't even know if i know what im talking about. But i do know this, you can never subsitute the sound of a V8, which is what i reaaaaally want.

P.S.: anybody know where i could get a L03 or a L98?

KBcobra

Z28, IROC-Z, Trans am, Formula, 1991-1992 Camaro RS (with RPO B4C). or Vettes

4playta

I could not have said it better myself...150% agree!!! Just find a 350 700r4 or th350 combo and stuff it in there and call it a day. Even if you bought a $500 1979 chevy truck and used the stock 350/350 it would be faster than pouring $1000 into that 2.8 you have now.

I am not saying V6's cant be fast but they take alot of money and knowledge how to make them fast and if you are asking it is obvious you dont have the knowledge so in your case a V8 would be the right choice, parts are cheap and HP gains are much easier with a better foundation.

Torque173

the One thing that is keeping me from getting a V8 is the gas mileage. but i plan on using this thing on saturdays only anyways.

like i always say to people, 350's have more aftermarket parts then Honda's do :-D

91Bird305

If you are worried about gas mileage then find a different hobby. I'm sorry. But if you are into going fast in cars, gas mileage should not be a concern. Otherwise, go buy a hybrid car and register on one of their forums.

Torque173

your right, this probably wont be my DD anyways. I'll probably get a little Jetta or something for a DailyDriver.

If i would do a L98 swap would i have to do much?

ad356

first off, if you get a L98 or something like an L05 the gas millage really isnt that bad. probably 17city/25 highway. i drove my camaro from buffalo, ny to maine. it produced excellent gas millage. remember when you have more power the engine works alot less. that 2.8 will work much hard and as a result doesnt produce that good of millage. you may not need 400 hp to be happy anyways. the car your driving right now makes 135 hp. really underpowered considering your car weights 3,200+ lbs. take the same car and powered by a 350 instead, even at 280 HP, which is modest and easily obtainable for an even bone stock 350, thats twice as much power. it would feel like it has ALOT more power. also if you are concerned about millage, and you should be to SOME degree, you need to run EFI. forget about carb, that 1970 tech at best, this is 2007 think TPI or maybe TBI. both are good systems and both offer their own advantages. carbs do not get millage.

second, let me remind you that your car is not set up for a v8. the 700R4 you have in you car will be worthless in a swap. think about it, a small block chevy has 90 degrees of separation between cylinder banks. the 2.8 engine you currently have in your car has 60 degrees between banks. the 700R4 you currently have in your car since it is mounted to a 2.8 has a 60 degree bell housing and incompatible with a v8 car. get a v8 powered car or maybe a v8 doaner car. also the wirring harness, the ecm, engine mounts, and maybe even the front suspension(not sure about this one) arent going to work. even if you buy an RS with a 305, its setup for what you want, a v8. the wirring harness, transmission, ecm, and everything else is setup for a bigger engine. keep that v6 car for a daily driver, dont spend the money on a jetta, and buy an RS(305), z28, or an iroc for your project car. that v6 car you have isnt going to get you much money if you sold it and changing it over to a v8 is an expensive and complicated way to go. the 2.8 camaro is fine for a daily driver, it will be dependable and give fairly decent gas millage, however its not worth building. for a dd its fine. its fine today for the same reasons that made it cool when it was new. it gives the look of a camaro, the fuel efficiency, and will conner nicely.

third of all the 2.8 is a dog for a performance engine, from a performance standpoint think of it as a boat anchor. my 3100 series engine in my 96 corisca delivers more power, and that aint saying much. the corisca is my winter dd, clearly not a performance car. the 3100 in it delivers 160 hp and it would toast a 2.8 camaro.

ad356

by the way, UR50SLO your car is incredible. i couldn't believe the size of your rear tires, that car has to move. i see you also have a roll cage, that some serous performance hardware. i wouldn't want to meet you on the street with my L03, lol. also your car is a complete sleeper it looks like base s/c. you realy must surprise some people on the street. you have the car that no one expects. would did it cost to build that thing?

also i wanted to add that they kids that own the honda ricers that claim 400 hp are just over inflating their cars performance. they say 400 hp of a 1.8 i say B.S. show me a dyno slip. i dont believe them, that like saying you will get 400 hp out of 2.8L i dont believe either claim. why not say you will get 400 hp out of an iron duke, ha ha lol that funny. bottom line is don't believe what anyone says, there cars sound like raging hornets nests. most of them have "sticker cars" anyways. thats when you plaster stickers all over the outside you your car in a very gaudy display even though you dont actually have any of those parts installed.often also involves silly wings and "body kits" . also how much money did they spend to keep with even a stock 350, if they can even keep with a 350 car. i would rather have my l03 than one of those ***** mobiles. at least my l03 sounds good with the 3" exhaust, and headers. do that exhaust work to a 4 cylinder, and it sounds awful.

UR50SLO

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Thanks AD356.... I built the car for a customer several years ago as I said earlier.. I bought the rolling chassis for 5000. I've got 2sets of interior also... But I prefer the stock seats that have been re done vs the racing seats.

It's got a 9" ford with 35 spline axels,3:50gear,Detroit locker. My own rear suspension setup. No torque arm/coil overs/lift bars. Full roll cage cert.7.50's.

Outside was left stock. It's a factory heater car. no a/c.No power windows nothing. Lol. And it is seriously very quiet.

I love building sleeper cars! It's alot of fun.

Anyhow... between the cost of the car and the rest of the used parts I had to buy to put the engine together/used Trans/turb ect. I'm guessing there's 12000 in it? That's NONE of my time counted. Or parts before I owned the car. Just the cost of the car and the new/used parts I bought to get it going.
Everything I do is on a tight budjet.

Back to the topic... You can get a good used LT1and 4L60E for 1200-1500.00 anymore. Most guys are going to LS1's. Snoop around. I've bought 2 complete LT1's for seperate projects in the past. One was a S-10 conversion and the other was a 58 Impalla. Both turned out great!
A TPI would work also but they are kind of a pain to work on and performance parts are expensive for little gain.
Just my Openion from working on all of them alot in the past.
Don't plan on putting a supercharger on it. 4psi isn't going to gain much for the cost involved in setting it up. Kits are over 3000 for 80hp peak. (yawn) you'd be alot further ahead to put a bottle on it.
~Scott

ad356

personally when i do my build im going with a stock 350 4 bolt main that im rebuilding, mild cam, maybe better heads if i can find some vortec heads out of the jy. my car is already setup for tbi, right now i have an L03. the L03 just isnt enough power to be remotely considered a muscle car. even the mild 350 that im going to run will still be a huge improvement, maybe another 80-90 hp. it will get me alot more performance than i already have. i figure i dont have much money and i can only go so fast on the street anyways. im only making 12 bucks an hour, so trust me i dont have 12,000 to invest in my car. you said you spent 5,000 bucks on a rolling chassis, that seems like a alot of money. i bought my running 89 rs 305 for 2,2000. its a clean car and has never been exposed to harsh winter climate where i live. for what i paid for the car i am extremely satisfied. i have used as transportation in the summer for the last 2 years and it still runs great. however its an L03, its dependable but when i stomp on it simply does have much to offer. i have never driven this car in the winter, in fact it sits in storage right now im my garage. when spring/summer/fall come around i put 10k on it. im not afraid to drive it everyday, i just keep up on the maintance.

UR50SLO

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5000 for a car that's caged,9" rear,2 interiors,suspension all done,tires,rims and all of it being darn near new ... I was happy. It'd cost me more in parts alone than to buy the car.

You could do a LT1 swap in your car cheaply as well. Many of the LT1 cars can go 13's in stock form with good drivability and MPG. As I stated earlier.. I've picked up 2 complete LT1's for around 1200.00 a peice. With EVERYTHING.
Just a option... TBI's no matter what you do are not going to provide much driver enjoyment or killer MPG. Still a wet manifold setup.
Just a suggestion...
~Scott

KBcobra

if you want gas mileage your goin to need a manual for sure. get a gen IV small block (LS2,7,3,4) with displacement on demand. what that does it shut off 2 cylinder during normal driving, floor it and all 8 will fire. only problem is price you can get a brand new crate LS2 for about 6k from Jegs.

Torque173

i would put a manual in it but the problem is my mom needs to drive it here and there and she cant drive stick, so that kills my fun >.< but im not too worried about gas mileage, it wont be my daily driver for too long. i'll probably use it this year until i get alittle beater then i'll park the Camaro and start restoring it and looking for a few performance parts. Problem is im making $7.15 and hour and i usually get $120 a week from my work. So money is kind of an issue.

But i do have a backup car in mind, my "mother in law's" old Oldsmobile. i think its a '78 Cutlass Saloon. Looks like an old mans car but doesnt really matter. she said she would sell it to me for $300 because she hates big cars and her Husband said he wants $2000 for it! only because it just got inspected. i guess he seems to forget that the 301 in there kills gas and its got 165,000miles on the Odometer. Think they make parts for the 301?

KrisW

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Off topic-

78 Cutlass Salon was not available with a 301 (which is a Pontiac engine)... It was available with a 3.8 Buick V6(231), a 260 Olds V8, and two 305 Chevy engines (2 or 4 barrell)

good luck whichever way you go...

Torque173

sorry bout that, this is why i don't trust wikipedia but it must be a 305. Looks similar to my dads old caddy's 307. Problem with it is theres not much power in it at all. i got 135hp and 170lb-ft off of wiki. by the feel of it, i think that may be right.

Bad5OGT

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If you build your V8 right, gas mileage won't be an issue.
My '95 Mustang is running a 347 v8 and I'm getting 19mpg
in town and drive it on a daily basis.

Why not go with a 3800/3.8 swap and then hit up like
supersix motorsports or something if you want to stay with a 6?