ok i have this old 305 that i spruced up a little. just a old 1984 motor with headers and holly carb. nothin special. a guy wants to trade me a rebuilt mopar 360 complete from top to bottom with ported and polished heads, msd distributor and comes with a trans, transfer case, and another set of heads and other little parts. it came out a motor home, guy rebuilt it and put it in a ramcharger. well he rolled the truck over and pulled out the motor. only thing is, water got in it and we drained the oil. well we couldnt get it to turn, like it was seized but we squirted a little oil in there and it turned well and had good compression and everything. should i make this trade? and would it be a good motor for my third gen? or worth selling? id feel kinda bad putting in a Chrysler power plant but i mean hey, atleast its not a ford! give me your input!

 

No

No

No

 

why, why, and why? im selling the 305 for $200. its nothing to me and the 360 is a pretty good engine, i did part searches and these days, its just as easy and cheap to find parts for it. why not? its in much better shape than the 305 and i do have a 350 thats suppose to go in. if i do it, id be putting the 360 on a t56. dont know any of the complications id face. i kno the viper engine is just a 360 with 2 extra cylinders and it uses a t56. id definatly need help guiding me through it. imma chevy man, dont really have much of a problem with chrysler, ford on the other hand.....but anyway. a 360 in a camaro seems interesting and if all fails, i do have a 350. but is "this" 360 worth it?

 

Do you know what it takes to install an engine into a platform that wasn't designed for it?

 

thats what this engine swap board is for right?

 

im not a fan of cross contamination......no mopar in a bowtie.....i had a 360 in my durango anyway and the motor seemed weak and unreliable

 

As a moderator you had to have seen that coming. I mean the guy is asking questions and getting no reasonable response except for a "no"

 

exactly. but im not talkin bout the newer 360s, this one has atleast 400hp. i dont like to cross contaminate either but i mean i was gettin rid of the 305 and im sure this motor is worth a good bit more selling wise? that durango had about 250hp pushing around 4,700 pounds. this one is rebuilt out a motor home, ported and polished, performance intake, carb, headers, the works in a 3000 car.

 

what Aperion is getting at is the engine will need custom everything to make it work in the car. Mounts, wiring, exhaust, ect. What trans are you running? you will need a mopar trans or somekind of adapter plate to make it work.
and i dont even know where the sump ius on the oil pan of a 360, if its not in the back, you can simply forget it entirely.

Besides, it was rolled (oil starvation, bye bye bearings) and full of water (rust). thats a recipe for a boat anchor.

For the cost and headache, its far from worth the effort. For less money you can stick with a SBC, which will bolt right in.

How do you know it has at least 400 horse? bet you is has much less. 360's are pigs anyway. the 340 is the nicer engine.

I will second the opinion if NO NO NO forget it.

 

Man that would bee a cool swap, but I bet it would be a lot of work..You see Chevy motors in everything, so I think it would be cool to see a Mopar motor in a thirdgen.....360's are great motors too..Very reliable, have had several..good luck on it, it you attempt it...

 

Id still be able to use my T56 because thats the same trans in the viper and it has a v10 version of the 360, i went to mopar sites and its praised among other mopar engines like we praise the 350 here. they recommend no other engine unless you use the newer ones they used in the 90's or early 2000's. they got worse as time progressed unlike our 350. the truck had a auto kill on it so it kills when the truck hits a certain degree. it was a off road only truck. the dyno showed 400hp at the rear wheels so i kno the engine has more. he just rebuilt it. the only reason water got in it was because it got left overnight in the rain the night he pulled it.he drained the oil that morning and we got it started later that day. it ran wonderful and i get it fully dressed with another set of heads. like i say, the heads and intake on it are ported and polished, it has a nice cam and the parts in it are made for heavy duty use. somebody put this same kind of engine in a 3rd gen but it was used on the salt flat, not street legal.

 

Here's an example of why it's a terrible idea.If it's 400hp at the wheels,(which I bet it isn't),then you undoubtedly need headers.What's that?Oh yeah,they don't exactly sell those 3rd gen Camaro small block Mopar headers at Pep Boy,now do they?
What are you going to do about the oilpan?Ignition?
And finally,why in the hell would ANYONE trade a 400 rwhp engine of ANY kind,for a clapped out 305?
Nothing wrong with a 360,they work great in Chryslers.But what you are wanting to do here would be a nightmare,with questionable results,IF you didn't give up and finished it.

 

dont get me wrong the 360 is a great motor butt its motor not a chevy you know what I meam...i like the 360 for a truck but not for a chevy im doing a 454 swap noe try that itll be a fun project for ya.....try sellin the 305 for as much money as possible and pick somthin cool to do

 

im positive it had 400rwhp. he has the charts and everything to prove it. it has headers and all, in no way im sayin this a better motor than the 350 but its damn sure in better shape than my 305. and parts are really easy to find, online and in my local salvage yard for good price

 

if its worth the trouble to you then thats all that matters really, i mean 90% of the people on this board would say i wasted my time and money on my 3.4 turbo v6, but im happy with it.

then again how much welding and fab work can you do, becuase mine bolted in directly..if you cant do any fab work yourself your wasting your time. thats not going to be an easy swap by any means

 

i wouldn't do it, not with a 360 anyway.
with the amount of work involved and money you would need to spend, you would almost certainly not complete it.

if you are going to put a Mopar motor in a Chevy, there are only 2 choices.
1 is hard to find, and neither are cheap.
1 choice is the 440.
half decent 440s aren't just laying around. and when you do find one worth rebuilding, you'll probably get sticker shock.
the other is a Hemi, and not the so called new hemi, but the old 426. you can buy them brand new, for a price.
good luck fitting one of those monsters between the strut towers of a thirdgen.

 

i kno the 360 is narrower but taller and slightly longer. im most likely not putting this in but i i just think its worth trading my old 305 for. i wanted to do a ls1 swap. they go for around 250 at my salvage yard but i can never find one thats not missing anything

 

well than trade the 305 and clean up the 360 and sell it some shmoe

 

ill let some mopar dude drool over it haha

 

should of got the 4.7

 

I think its strange though that someone would trade an supposely good running 360 for an ruined 305? Theres probaly something up with the motor and he knows it so he's trying to get rid of it...

 

i would agree that it sounds fishy why ANYONE would trade a 400hp motor for a 305... in any event expect about 5k in just costs to install the motor with parts, time and major headaches, let alone make it run properly, exhaust, drivetrain issues i would stay away...

 

I've been loyal Mopar enthusiast for four decades and they are very expensive to build compared to GM where parts can be had dirt cheap,depending on what your searching for and Mopars have the toughest bottom ends you'll ever find in an engine out of the big three but engine combinations are limited with Mopars compared to GM where any engine combination is possible using standard off the shelve parts. Shy away.

 

No, this is a horrible idea, I second the whole sounding fishy part, not to mention cross contamination is distasteful, if you're trying to be different try making that 200.00 you get from selling the 305 an investment in a j/y 350 4 bolt main from a 1500 Silverado/Sierra. But hey who are we to tell you what to do? If you make the decision to do it anyway you're putting yourself in a bigger hole than you started out in, one way or another.

 

well the guy pretty much got it the same way i would be. he dont have a car for that engine and need a chevy engine. that 400hp engine is no good to him if he has nothing to put it in. just like me. when i get it ill probably sell it too.

 

The 360 is a 340 bored and stroked a bit. They are deffinately a better short block. The only thing that made the 340s more powerful is the heads they came with (interchangeable). The 340 was not a smog era engine where as the 360 was.

 

For the past five years I've worked as a tech at a Chrysler dealership and I can tell you the 4.7 is no where neer as good as the 5.9 unless you're talking mpg

 

I think it'd be a cool to see it at a car show because MOST people wouldn't be able to figure out what it is.

 

Maybe you can slap some R/T badges on it too

 

It would still be a cool swap, but a real PITA....My buddy has a 413 mopar in his 67 chevy truck, and it is a monster, but it took some doing...It totally freaks people out when they see the big Mopar under the hood, instead of your usual boring chevy motor...Of course that said, I drive a Chevy, with a Chevy motor, so what does that tell you....If you have lots of money, and you want to be different from everyone else go for it..If you are poor (like Me), or just want to follow the crowd, leave it for someone else...

 

boy everything you just said is right one the money....I used to race a 440 68 dodge Dart, and let me tell you, when I went over to Thirdgens, I could not believe how cheap everything is...The only thing was everyone did not have a 440 Dart...

 

Up to the point of becoming a freak show...

The forum description says, "Everything about swapping an engine into your Third Gen.....be it V6, V8, LTX/LSX, crate engine, etc. Pictures, questions, answers, and work logs." That pretty much assumes GM engines, though. When you get into the cross-pollination, it'll be limited to your pictures and work logs - there just haven't been enough non-GM branded engines done to expect the question and answer part to be of much assistance.

As for your 360 question, I'd say if you had a 440 or hemi, it might be a different story. Most of these types of topics usually start with, "I have this <insert off-brand name and size here> sitting around, and was thinking of putting it into my 3rd gen..." You don't even have the engine. The engine/trans you're considering includes "transfer case" - are you going to make it a 4x4 while you're at it? Okay, you didn't say that, but obviously a 4x4 transmission can't be used in a 2x4 as-is. Of course, there have been plenty of GM trannys put behind Mopar engines in other platforms.

If you decide to go through with it, be sure to post your pics and work logs as you go. It'll be "interesting", but I can't put my endorsement on the concept.

 

Ive been round mother mopar all my days and the base 360 is far superior to any 305 chevy , you will not beat the toughness of a stock 360 bottom end anyone who tells you that the 360 is no good is full of sh_t ! id trade that 305 in a heartbeat ha! even if the 360 was rolled , the biggest draw back with small block mopars was cylinder head flow . for years chrysler engineers worked on the small block head, then you could get the "j" head or the "X" head which were equivalent to chevys camel humps until mopar came around with the w-2 and w-5 which guys run today . Contrary to what others say there are a bunch of cubic inch combos for this small block , check out Hensley Racing out of knoxville , they will talk to you when you get ready to build they supplied us with our Indys and reciprocating assembly and they know their ****. We have run a best of 10.58 in a 63 330 wagon make the swap 305s are sh_t !

 

Hey who gives a rats a__ if some guy on here wouldnt endorse it so what , chrysler made 727s and 904s and let me tell you something you check any old racers from back in the day whether they had a ford ,chevy or dodge , the 727 torqueflite was the premier tranny well before guys went to pg's t350s or t400s , besides you can get any adapter plate to mate up what you want i wouldnt be surprised if you could get a 904 into a third gen , hey good luck guy I say go for what you know !

 

Swaping a 400 Pontiac to a Trans AM, or a 427 BBC to a Z28 is a cool swap.

A 318 to a 440 6Pac is a cool swap.

Building an abomination like a 360 in a 3rdGen is just wrong.

 

Forgetting all the opinionation, this would take an insane amount of fabrication.

Not something a rookie like me would like to tackle. You might be more motivated and have deeper pockets, but for me it'd end up a small grassy knoll in a backyard somewhere.

Again, if you have the money and the knowhow, knock it out dude, it would certainly be a 1 of 1. But if you're just looking to drop a replacement in... this probably wouldn't be a good idea. Lots of work, fabrication, table math and bits and pieces not fitting or lining up.

Kudos for the interesting thought though :]

 

Thats what swapping is all about.......Too much work for me, but I would sure like to see it...

 

I know this is an old thread but figured its better to bring it up than start new one. But I am wondering if anyone completed one of these builds before. My family is huge mopar freaks and we have a rebuilt 318 sitting in the shop that should be pushing 375hp (guestimated) and a 727 tranny. I am on a budget and these combo's are bulletproof and fairly quick so I figure that in a third gen would be cool. Anyone have any ideas of what I'd need to do to accomplish this? So far I came up with getting mopar driveshaft mated to chevy one, do something with torque arm, make headers, and modify engine and tranny mounts and figure something out cooling hose wise. Its going to be carbed so no electrionics to worry about but anything I am missing?

 

sounds like a cool swap..Keep us posted..you can't kill a 318, or a 727....

 

Thats what I think too but everyone on here would kill me if they knew where I lived. Actually better deal came up on local CL, 318crate engine with 20,000 and 940 tranny with shift kit and 2500stall complete setup minus carb for $700 so its being delivered this weekend. "Birth certificate" says 300hp but I plan on getting bigger intake + exhaust valves in it, comes with the cam I want and an air gap intake so with the head work and 650 carb should be pushing 350hp. Hotrod did same build and got 391hp out of the stock intake, stock carb, stock bottom end just the head work!!!

 

just for reference for anyone trying this, if you do want to use a t-56. be sure to get the dodge t-56. the chevy t-56 has a different bellhousing and input shaft. dodge and chevy t56s arent directly interchangeable. you can use a chevy trans if you swap out to the dodge bell housing and swap out input shafts.

you can also use the t-56 out of a viper in a 3rd gen by also swapping out the bellhousing and input shafts to the chevy versions....just food for thought...

 

I'm going with a 904 tranny that came with the engine. It was bought new when they guy purchased then engine and has upgraded clutches, decent stall, and transgo shift kit. Rode with him before he removed this package from his 72 Satellite WAGON and it chirped 2nd gear and had really snappy shifts.

 

I look forward to seeing this swap.Good luck, and please keep us posted on your progress...

 

I put a 440 BBD in a 78 Z28.. it was a tottal PINTA to do, but was cool to look at when done (car was striped out for drag racing, title was jacked up, and i had the motor and trans laying there so i said why the hell not)

It was a fun car, and got a lot of looks.. but i felt bad putting a dodge motor in a camaro, even tho I would perfer a dodge over a chevy any day of the week.. it just seemed...... well like i raped the poor camaro..

Sadly the 78 is crushed now do to a bent unibody... and i do mean BENT...

 

as you can tell by my ID, I am a mopar lover..the 360 is a great engine..lots of torque potential...the best trans to use with a 360 is a 727 and it is much too big for the 3rd gen tunnel..I tried a swap with an 82 Camaro I was given years ago...it can be done, but I would stick with a brand correct swap...if you decide to do it..you will need to fab motor mounts...reroute power steering..modify trans tunnel..modify trans crossmember..use shorty headers...you will need a cowl hood...modify radiator..that is what i can remember off the top of my head...and for all your work..the mopar guys will be mad at you and the GM guys will be mad cause you messed up a sweet car or sweet engine..

 

alot of torque for that car...I bet it was fun to drive

 

Sounds like what I was thinking was about right, was planning on solid motor mounts, swaping in an s10 manual steering rack, possibly going with tube k member to gain all the clearance I can get and I am figuring on making headers for it. Did some rough measurements and might have to move the firewall back a few inches but won't know for sure until I am mocking it up. Didn't know that the tranny was too big though, but its only metal and you can do anything with i t I guess. Allot of work but it'll be an attention getter, and true nooone will like it