well i got my exhaust parts today, i got the driver side heamdam headers in no problem, now the passenger side sucks, its not going to go in, i have A/C, and whne i try to put it in it hits the tranny, and i cant move it around enough to be able to get the header past the tranny now what am i goign to have to do to get it in, i dont really want to jack up the engine, but i have to go out of town for a dyno on friday, so i need this done NOW, what do i have to do?? if i have to i will jack up the engine. PLEASE HELP ME OUT

 

Have you tried installing it from under the car?
Sometime those damn starters will get in the way also!

Ron

 

ive tried form under also, and i took out the starter,

so waht do i have to do tomarrow to get the A/C box out safely, also is freon toxic to you, because i was going to empty it and then come back in like an hour and take off the A/C bod and all that crap.

also will i have to cap off any piping or anything, i want to take off the canister and take off the hold big black box thing or just cut the **** out of it till i can get my headers in.

 

Yeee, if your going to take the AC box out to get the headers in I would say it would be easier to pull out the (2) bolts and jack the engine up a couple of inches.

As far as taking the box out it can be a pain, because some of the bolts pass through the firewall...

I'm not going to be an EPA dude, but it would be good to take it to a shop and have them pull it out. They might even do it for free, if you don't want the Freon back. Hard to do with no headers on, right
Freon in itself is hazardous, and can cause suffocation if breathed as a gas, and freeze burns if it gets on your skin as a liquid, but being it's a very heavy gas it sinks like a rock. So with good ventilation you can let it rip, but you didn't hear that from me

Ron

 

passenger side was easy for me. after removing all the air and A\c crap..

 

**** then tomarrow ill just go get the dam engine hoist that i have at my other house and jack the dam thing up. thanks

 

by the way here is what i got today in the mail...

 

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I don't even know if I would use a hoist. I would probably just throw a 2x4 between a floor jack & the engine pan.

Anywho, Good Luck...

Ron

 

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hey thanks Ron, ill try that fist, should i unbolt the tranny K-member or anything, or just take the engine out of the engine mounts.

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Those are nice headers, and I know your pain. I played like hell getting long tubes in my '81 years back...

Ron

 

i bet,

so i should take out the engine mount bolts, and what else, should i disocnnect the K-member on the tranny or just loosen it up?

 

I would just start with the two bolts on the engine, cause there some pretty good flex on the tranie mount & ujoint. It realy depends on how much you think you need to move it to get the header in.
Hell you might even be able to pull the tranie crossmember out & let the engine tilt up? again it realy depends on how much you need to slide it in.

Ron

 

i think im just going to loosen the K-member then take out the motor mount bolts and jack it up with my floor jack, BUT

do you think it will tip over or saty relitivally (sp) in its place, i dont care about a little shifting but i dont want it to fall over or anything.

 

The wieght alone should keep it planted, not to mention if you keep the trans crossmember connected, it shouldn't go anywhere.

Lets us know how it goes.

Ron

 

well this mornign i went out, got mad because it was hard to try to get the dam engine mounts out mby my self, i got the passenger side out, threw my jack under the oil pan with a 2X4 and jacked it up, the engine pivoted on the other engine mount and the header slide right into place, now you have to take off the starter, i know, but you can use a stock starter with headman LT's.

i got it all buttoned up and took it for a drive, was setting off car alarms the holdtip of about 6 blocks, from my neighboors tot he people that were parked that i passed doing 50mph by them. it was rather fun,

thursday i am going into an exhaust shop and having them put on true duals, 3inch all the way back to the rear of the car, under the axle. and then having the summit mufflers with soem sweet tips.

wish me luck

 

Actually, my stock starter fit with my hookers too. It was just tight.

Ben

 

How come you didnt just have the exhuast place install the headers too? Seems like you went through alot of pain. Just wondering

Brian

 

I don't know how much trouble went into installing my headers, 'cause they came with the car, but they sure do get in the way when it's time to replace the cheap $1.50 spark plugs that were in there, too. Had to unbolt them and pull them apart for one plug on each side

 

An exhaust shop will charge an arm and a leg to install headers. Also, if he doesnt have a welder he may not be able to do everything he wants as far as the exhaust goes. Hey, lockdude. Do you know what kind of headers they are? Did you switch to shorties while you had the headers unbolted?

Ben

 

Cool you got them in!!!

You got to love them 2x4

Im playing like hell tring to get clearance under mine with 2 1/2 duals, so it good your having a shop do that.
I think right now, I have a whole 3.5" of clearence - if that

One more note, if your not already doing so, install stage 8 bolts & locks!!!!!!! There's nothing worse then having to tighten those header bolt every week, and risking a gasket blowing out...

Ron

 

funny you should say that about the gasket... blew mine out already, its the driver side atleast, center ports, so i have to go get some new gaskets, put one on the side that blew and keep the other for the other side incace it blows. lol kinda sucks but of well,

i just took me car to the exhaust shop, there was an opening today instead of tomarrow, so i should have it by the end of the day, it sucks, i had to go to a shop that was highly recomended because no other shops like midas would touch my car because i dont have a cat, its a 45k fine to midas or any other place plue 10k to the person who works on my car, SO im sorry i cant give away who is doing my exhaust.

but true duals, 3inch, to 2 summit racing mufflers and croms tips out the back, its going to be sweet.

 

Did you use the gaskets that came with the headers?

I have the same set ready to go in. Just have to get the manifolds off first.

 

Well, I was told by a guy at on of the bigger exhaust shops around here that they could do anything with the exhaust that they wanted if a car had headers because it was considered an off road vehicle. They said if it had manifolds that it was a different story.

Ben

 

There like that around here also. They accualy told me I needed an offroad title, or something to that effect.
Granted my car is going offroad soon, I still need the backroads around here to test & tune

I elected just to buy a welder, and wack-wack-cut-cut-weld-weld, and Ron's very own 3"'s of clearance home made setup...

Ron

 

My brother has a 77 T/A with the 400 in it. Man, it doesnt have headers on it as of yet, but I can understand why. That would be one heck of a tight fit. I dont think it would be near as bad with a small block chevy though. As for my car I had the motor out so it was just simply lowering the motor between the headers(hooker lt's) and bolthing them on.

Ben

 

Yea, it's tight. It's realy much like the 3rd gen, cause the frame is right there in the way.
The only way to get them in my 2nd gen was from underneath.

I accualy have a set of Hooker shorties on my 3rd gen, and my *** how easy it is to install & remove!!! Buttoning up the collectors on the other hand is a pain.

Ron

 

No, Momar, I don't know what brand they are. They're rusty and unmarked, and eventually to be replaced someday after the higher priority stuff is done. "Shorties"? What are they?

 

Headers that basicly have the collectors at or near where the stock exhaust manifolds exit.
You may have also heard the term block huggers, very simular.


Ron