finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
ok i was thinking, im going to buy a set of headers for my tbi 350 and i can get chrome or painted mid length headers and they have the O2 bung welded on. these are for a 93 350 running factory computer.
i dont want any check engine light coming on because of the headers so i thought the chrome would hold more heat in then the painted ones (which will turn rust in no time flat anyway).
my O2 is a single wire set up so its not self heating.
so would it be to reason that the chrome header would be better then the painted ones on helping the O2 senser out and keeping the computer happy?
i dont want any check engine light coming on because of the headers so i thought the chrome would hold more heat in then the painted ones (which will turn rust in no time flat anyway).
my O2 is a single wire set up so its not self heating.
so would it be to reason that the chrome header would be better then the painted ones on helping the O2 senser out and keeping the computer happy?
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
Get em ceramic coated, better than paint or chrome...
& holds in heat much better...
Rafael
& holds in heat much better...
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
Sorry, I just like advising people to spend their money wisely... Considering the cost of the headers, the labor involved to get the old stuff out and the new stuff in, I would invest in a nice set that isn't gonna rust through...
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
^ i agree, chromes for street rods/show cars.. either get plain painted ones or ceramic coated. lots of companies offer headers for our cars already coated.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
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If keeping the single-wire O2 sensor happy is your motivation for finish choice, ceramic is the final answer.
As you might have guessed from the responses already, chrome is for looks, and to some extent, corrosion protection. A well-done ceramic coating will look just as good, and keep looking good longer. Chrome can only be applied to exterior surfaces, and sometimes doesn't even adhere well in interior bend radii or where two tubes come close together. Ceramic can be applied and will adhere anywhere.
As for paint, the typical "painted" header is only expected to remain painted until it is installed. High temp paint will last longer, and provide better corrosion protection, but all of the shipping paint has to be removed from the header first, and even then it won't contain heat.
Bottom line: Neither finish you are considering accomplishes your objectives.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
Definitely worth going with ceramic coating. Chrome will discolor, pit and rust pretty quickly. Paint burns off withing a very short time as it's only on to protect the headers prior to installation, after which they'll be nice and rusty. Ceramic has a nice look to it and is very durable.
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and you can take your spend it wisely mark and shove it where the sun doesnt shine.
seems to me you can read since i said nothing about ceramic.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
This board is here for advice.
See under my name, it says "TGO Supporter". That means I've given this board $$$ for all the help they've given me.
You wanna give everyone else here the finger for giving advice, that will make you soon, unsupported.
Good luck, you're gonna need it.
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See under my name, it says "TGO Supporter". That means I've given this board $$$ for all the help they've given me.
You wanna give everyone else here the finger for giving advice, that will make you soon, unsupported.
Good luck, you're gonna need it.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
i know the benifits of ceramic that is why it was not compared with the others in question. the painted and chrome headers cost the same price for me and thats why i asked the question.
and you can take your spend it wisely mark and shove it where the sun doesnt shine.
seems to me you can read since i said nothing about ceramic.
and you can take your spend it wisely mark and shove it where the sun doesnt shine.
seems to me you can read since i said nothing about ceramic.
To answer your first question... Neither a chrome or paint coating will help retain heat, and you may be more prone to setting off the CEL.
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We can read, apparently you can't.
Read my lips: "Chrome or paint ain't gonna help."
Now, do you want the truth, or do you want to be allowed to define your own truth? If the latter, then you're going to believe global warming is man-made, you're going to believe Obama/Hillary care about your health, you're going to believe ceramic coating only retains exhaust heat for people with more money than they know how to spend, and you're going to believe the whole membership of thirdgen.org is out to get you.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
Wow, aren't you a sweetheart! First off, I highly doubt painted headers & chromed headers are going to be the same price. Generally, chrome & ceramic are closer in price and more expensive then painted. Second, I think most of us speak from experience so you should consider what's being said. Or, if you choose to retaliate like you did b/c you're not getting the exact answer you wanted, we'd prefer you just not log in to the site anymore.
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Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
five 7kid-- u seem like a smart man= republican
Re: finish-on headers, chrome vs. painted
This board is here for advice.
See under my name, it says "TGO Supporter". That means I've given this board $$$ for all the help they've given me.
You wanna give everyone else here the finger for giving advice, that will make you soon, unsupported.
Good luck, you're gonna need it.
Rafael
See under my name, it says "TGO Supporter". That means I've given this board $$$ for all the help they've given me.
You wanna give everyone else here the finger for giving advice, that will make you soon, unsupported.
Good luck, you're gonna need it.
Rafael
yes the board is here for advice, good you are a supporter but that does not buy your rights to insult me. so you threw the first insult and now your mad at me. please.
so it looks like chrome headers are no better then painted for holding in heat. thats all i was looking for. so the question got answered. from there i could decide weather to spend the extra money on ceramic or not.
see how that works. since i already knew the benifits of ceramics thats why i ask nothing of them.
since i didnt know much about the chrome coating effects of holding heat in on a headers that why i asked chrome vs. paint
and my cost for headers are 56 bucks and same header chrome is 62, so to me the cost is about the same. ceramic on the other hand its outsourced and cost 3 times that for me. so if i could have used chrome i would have went that route to save a few bucks.
so thanks to all that have answered.
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Trust me, we know how it works. Nobody insulted you. You, on the other hand, bit the hand that fed you.
For future reference, a clearly stated question does wonders. Like, "Does chrome plating help keep heat in headers?" would have accomplished the objective.
On the other hand, a
would also have answered the question before it was asked.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
For future reference, a clearly stated question does wonders. Like, "Does chrome plating help keep heat in headers?" would have accomplished the objective.
On the other hand, a
would also have answered the question before it was asked.https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...headers+chrome
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