What makes the exhaust note "unique"

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Nov 16, 2008 | 12:49 PM
  #1  
I know that's a very broad question, but I specifically want to know what makes a Mustang exhaust note so melodic, while most sbc's sound more raspy.

I'm not really a fan of Mustangs, but everytime I hear one with an aftermarket exhaust, the sound is music to my ears.

I'm sure my Firebird will never sound like a Mustang, and I wouldn't really want it to anyway, but what makes the Mustang sound like that?
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Nov 16, 2008 | 12:54 PM
  #2  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
possibly because they use either "x" or "h" pipe and not a y-pipe setup
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Nov 16, 2008 | 01:04 PM
  #3  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
yea, mustangs have a dual exhaust setup, so it will sound different that a single setup.

My original answer was going to be "the size of the tip and what color LED's are in it"
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Nov 16, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
I know the pipe configuration makes adifference, but even with a true dual exhaust, the sbc just sounds different. I think it must be something about overlap, or exhaust port configuration....or something.

Anyone else have any ideas?
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Nov 16, 2008 | 03:33 PM
  #5  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
They came with factory headers and true dual exhaust with a h-pipe crossover. :/ Wish GM did stuff like that, at least on the GTA's, Formulas, and IROC's.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
and doesn't the rustangs have a 4/7 firing order switch?
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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:45 PM
  #7  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
If they do, that seems like it would change the exhaust note. Can't you do that to a chevy, too? A special distributor or something?
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Nov 16, 2008 | 09:14 PM
  #8  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
It's the firing order that makes them sound distinct.

Small Block Ford: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Small Block Chevy: 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
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Nov 16, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
When you say mustang I assume you mean the 5.0's right? Well with the limited knowledge I have of them I can say that yes they do generally have a traditional dual exhaust, most of which are H-pipe from the factory. They also employ a different firing order, which there was a HO and a non-HO order. I believe they also have a shorter stroke than a Chevrolet 5 liter, all which might contribute to the smoother exhaust note your hearing.

Max,

EDIT: Just read the above, that kinda answered it. To the other question, I believe they have a 4/7 swap cam for the SBC. I read something about it giving less crankshaft deflection with notable gains in higher HP engines.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 09:44 PM
  #10  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
idle.
haha
Disregard this post.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 10:05 PM
  #11  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
The two main factors are firing order and valve timing. Thats why LSx's have that weird sound... they have a unique firing order from almost everything else. Combustion chamber design plays into it too, but not as much as FO and valve timing does. The LT1 has all 3 doing for it, and thats why they sound so awesome.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 10:38 PM
  #12  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
I think the firing order was the key I was looking for. When doing a 4/7 swap cam, do you just switch the wires on the distributor? That sound like it might be a good idea...
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Nov 17, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote: I think the firing order was the key I was looking for. When doing a 4/7 swap cam, do you just switch the wires on the distributor? That sound like it might be a good idea...
It's not that easy. You will also need a special camshaft.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 01:45 PM
  #14  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote: The two main factors are firing order and valve timing. Thats why LSx's have that weird sound... they have a unique firing order from almost everything else. Combustion chamber design plays into it too, but not as much as FO and valve timing does. The LT1 has all 3 doing for it, and thats why they sound so awesome.
I'm mainly replying to the above bold text. If you take the 351 and late-5.0L Ford firing order and renumber the cylinders like a Chevy, the firing order is 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. Which is the same as the Chevy Gen III and IV (LS-series) V-8s. Just a bit of trivia I came across on hotrod.com
Quote: I think the firing order was the key I was looking for. When doing a 4/7 swap cam, do you just switch the wires on the distributor? That sound like it might be a good idea...
yep, new firing order becomes 1-8-7-3-6-5-4-2

Quote: It's not that easy. You will also need a special camshaft.
Quote: When doing a 4/7 swap cam
...............................That's what he said
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Nov 17, 2008 | 02:07 PM
  #15  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Just to add to everything else, induction is what really does it to me.
A fuel injected car always sounds domesticated to me. You can "louden" a fuel injected car, but it just sounds like a tame vehicle with a loud-speaker.

A carbed car (i'm not even thinking about bigger cams here yet), will always have a nicer growl to it. Even basic '80s chev trucks (small cam), will sounds nice, vs a cammed up FI mustang for example (1997 car year for example).

But a cammed up small block chev with a quadrajet? Oh boy, that sounds beautiful. A Q-jet's secondaries cracking open sounds pretty intimidating
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Nov 17, 2008 | 02:50 PM
  #16  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote: ...............................That's what he said


For some reason I missed that part. I tend to read through them rather fast.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 04:38 PM
  #17  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...ustang+exhaust
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Nov 22, 2008 | 11:13 PM
  #18  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
ford firing order is only "different" because Ford counts the cylinders in a different order.... they may have a 4-7 swap. but so do the ls1's
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Nov 22, 2008 | 11:19 PM
  #19  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Yep, they have a 4-7 swap as well as a 2-3 swap compared to a gen I sbc. I mentioned that in post #14.
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Nov 23, 2008 | 12:31 AM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
to better illustrate my above post here is a crappy paint illustration...(sorry its late and ive had a few drinks)

gm firing order 18436572
ford 18736542

What makes the exhaust note "unique"-cylinder-numbers.jpg  

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Nov 24, 2008 | 07:24 AM
  #21  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote: ...(sorry its late and ive had a few drinks)

gm firing order 18436572
ford 18736542

you must have had a bunch of drinks cause neither one of those is even close to right!

gm:
8 7
6 5
4 3
2 1

ford:
8 4
7 3
6 2
5 1

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They also employ a different firing order, which there was a HO and a non-HO order.
be careful...the sbf's all had the same firing order...actually, all ford v8's had the same firing order, except for one of the 351's, i believe it was the 351M that was different...
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Nov 24, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote:
you must have had a bunch of drinks cause neither one of those is even close to right!

gm:
8 7
6 5
4 3
2 1

ford:
8 4
7 3
6 3
5 1
ironic...

what you meant to say was
8 4
7 3
6 2
5 1

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Nov 24, 2008 | 11:48 AM
  #23  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
fixed...
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Nov 24, 2008 | 05:14 PM
  #24  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
actually my diagrams are right and my ford firing order wrong. #1 is on the opposite side of GM, gauranteed.... i am a ford technician(definetly not braggin just stating a fact).
15426378 is for the non h.o. 5.0 and 13726548 is the H.O. firing order(different cams)

while the gm order on gen I/II small blocks is 18436572.... gen III/IV hav a 4-7swap
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Nov 24, 2008 | 06:17 PM
  #25  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
alrighty...i'm not gonna argue then...and i'm willing to accept defeat, lol

i still think the gm one you posted is not correct...should be 1 3 5 7 on the drivers side and 2 4 6 8 on the passenger
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Nov 24, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
haha well we are both wrong then... my GM diagram is wrong. 1357 drivers side and 2468 pass. side

oh well drunk posting FTL
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Nov 24, 2008 | 08:12 PM
  #27  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
bwahahaha
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Nov 25, 2008 | 02:24 PM
  #28  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
im still not getting this though...
the firing order in a typical sbc is 1-8-4-3-5-6-7-2, which gives a definite pattern since the right bank is 1-3-5-7 and the left bank is 2-4-6-8.

however the ford order than you are posting makes no sense.
the engine would literally vibrate its self apart.
the banks are 1-2-3-4 and 5-6-7-8 respectively...

im confused
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Nov 25, 2008 | 03:19 PM
  #29  
Re: What makes the exhaust note "unique"
Quote: im still not getting this though...
the firing order in a typical sbc is 1-8-4-3-5-6-7-2, which gives a definite pattern since the right bank is 1-3-5-7 and the left bank is 2-4-6-8.

however the ford order than you are posting makes no sense.
the engine would literally vibrate its self apart.
the banks are 1-2-3-4 and 5-6-7-8 respectively...

im confused
GM # 1 is the front left(drivers)side Odd #'s on the left even on the right
Ford 1-4 is on the right(passenger) 5-8 on the left. It been posted before but it should look like this.

GM
8[ ]7
6[ ]5
4[ ]3
2[ ]1

ford
4[ ]8
3[ ]7
2[ ]6
1[ ]5

GM fireing order 18436572 Ford either 15426378 or 13726548

Ford 15426378 is identicle to GM 18436572. 13726548 looks to be both a 4-7 and 2-3 swap(in GM) if I am looking right.
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