Every one I have talked to feel they have to go by what's in the book only. It's a 10k charge per cat if caught. I go look the cat is Carb Ca. You have a stamp you put on it. A smog tech is not even going to read the stamp besides see that it is there being new convertors. These muffler shops now feel like they are smog stations and wont do it. Sure they will sell you the cat. For 80.00 more than Magna flow. There has to be some other away around this. I go look we have headers on our cars Ca carb legal our Y pipes are not 2.25 there 2.50 Y and Im not putting a 2.25 dual cats on my car. I go alright your scared your on the main street. What Test only station or law says you cant have a 36019 installed in your 5.7.. Where is the law? It's California Air Resource approved.

One shop said they put them on with 250 installed per cat. Magna Flow sells them for 221.11 each.. So If I cant find a better deal. I'll have to take it up the you know what. If anyone else is looking for a 3" an has problems Pm me and I'll get you this number. This is for Orange County Ca

Most these places are scared. Of what? A legal OBD II cat Carb legal..

So I have a 2.50 dual Y what do they do expand it to fit the 3" cat an install the 3" Y like on summit back to the 3" mandrel cat back? Oh but they will put a 3" single cat on no problem.. What's the real deal with this. Is smog going to faint if I come in with 3" dual convertors?

 

You are not allowed to alter smog components.I installed a Magnaflow cat with a 3in. Flowmaster 80 series cat back. Heres the paperwork I had to have filled out just to replace the cat.The cat is stock dimensions and is only flanged after to accommodate the 3in. cat back.Thats the only way I could get it to pass.

 

Here in L.A. you can't modify the cars when it comes to smog equipment because then you won't pass CA smog rules and if you can't pass the smog you get no tags and no tags means you can't drive the car .......Legally anyway.

 

Ca emission smog laws are so gay like who the he** cares about pollution sooner or later ca should drop these stupid laws cant even build good hp an tq with ca laws thank god i live in mass no stupid smog laws like that dont even have to have visual emission checks as long as theres no play in the suspension an all the lights an safety belts work ur good

 

Yeah but here in California we somewhat care about saving our planet and not contributing to Killing ourselves, besides we have been the top worst place for Smog Air since the 70's and anybody who says otherwise is ful of S H I T

 

Yes the Magna Flow are known to have damage or poor structure in the design. I think they have fixed that problem. But Now when you put in a new cat they put on a stamp and that's all you should need.

Im still not sure if this book is really the law. Or else Magna Flow would not sell them Ca Carb approved.is 36019 the same cat for a single 3".. Im going to have to do some home work.

Pm will be sent regards to some one comment..
I'll get passed this some way or another. The law cant say ok here is a cat for your 2.50 an not make it Ca carb approved an you have to have a 2.25" cat.. What's the point we have headers that are legal and that's the Y they were sold with 2.50. Like us So Ca people say if it's a no take it some place else.

 

When I first had my car built an smogged it put out hardly any emissions. I just used leaded for tuning and racing an killed the cats. I almost passed the old emissions now there more strict, I did a retune an could of passed then but now I gotta get cats. I mean come on dual cats is actually making the car more horse power an cleaner anyways. There just dont want to do it. It is killing the economy us not being able to mod our cars legal which we do. So the Hobby remains deader. I told them these old books you have, they dont even have any info for having headers. It's a stock manual. This is 2012 we have software these days. These cats can be regulated through the computer software system and the convertor sells and keep us happy we keep them happy. Because Im legal to run rich all day at idle out of my garage an what's that doing. Polluting the air like a dam rig is what it is. So cut the tape update the system and so these people in business can make some money.

Now In the late 80's I remember being in traffic an I couldnt hardly breathe. Atleast now that is all gone. Once in a blue moon you smell a classic. A classic like our cars are meaning it's more rare and should be able to do what ever it needs to do. Always nice to smell that smell every blue moon.

 

I agree

 

Ok I'll tell you where I got this Ca carb cat info.

http://accessories.etrailer.com/sear...method=and&vie

For a 1992 Camaro they only have an option for a Vette. So I went other options. There kinda pointless since I have to check back here on Tgo since 2006 and see the dimensions of my 2.50 dual cats.

I think there is a miss thread not showing. Someone said here in Ca best to keep things stock. Look the smog guy cant even tell if it's a carsound cat or a cat co all he looks for is a quick look to see if the cats is there. It's all going to be painted anyways with Hi temp paint silver. So he might see on the inlet an expand to fit the cat. he cant see under there the dual outlet being the 3" if he went under the car then they know hey you have 3" cats unless the dimensions are way off.. Im going to check into that. Now this site does have a 2.50 cat I just gotta be sure the dimensions are what my orignal new ones years ago are. All be dam if Im going to put a 2.25 an adapter down my convertors.. Ok let me study and I'll see what I can do.. Freaken Ca EO bastards.

Ok the threads so old it's going to take some time..

 

Ok I did my home work. the 2.50" post I used to have for part number doesnt exist any longer.. Here is the moment of truth.. Search for your self.

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/se...e%3ACatalytic+

1988 Iroc-Z 5.7 part number 36000 is the same size as the crappy 2.25 there trying to sell me.. I told you all so.. It's legal with a dual 3" convertor there is the paper work right there all the smog tech needs an welding shop to install. I told you I find a way around it. Now if you look for newer years it's something else. But not for the 88.. There books are wrong. And that's why one shop said yes and others with out the new Eo experience a No..

Now the only thing custom I will need is the 2 outlet into one 3" triangle gasket flange and bolt it up an she is smog Ca Eo Air research board kiss my you know what..
Not going to put no 2.25 on my 383ci stroker you got to be kidding.. She upgraded to a 92 speed density an that my friends is smog legal. I already passed.. and I passed visual but failed the tail.. It's on.. If you have an 1988 and want a 3" dual convertor in State of Ca contact Southern California Stickys For Gene Jones Racing an Pro Street Terrorist.. Orange County they will tell you what you need. I have a print out Im taking to him tonight.
All In the end they wont even know if it's a 3" being the same size as a 2.25 they even say check that part number to see if it's for your model year etc.

 

The Ninth post web link.. That is for a corvette I think. It is to long for a 3rdgen. So wrong part number.

 

I have no problem with being responsible when it comes to air pollution and environmental issues. It is the punitive side of it for the money that I have a problem with. That is where we part company.

 

Very True Allen and we sure are paying for it. It should not be just one state it should be all of the United States. Make the pre 92 non smog. We will maintain our vehicles just like the classics. We have already proved to them we now are passing more cleaner than ever an even with more strict standards. You know where it gets strict. Like my 04 Malibu it's more strict on that car than our older cars. Come on U.S lets be real there classic an they deserve the credit of that. We have ran the industry and they are killing it. Since locals wont due the work another city is going to make the revenue. Time to update the system it's old an they want to be strict on how well we should perform, first update your system because it sucks. And bring us more fuels.. Prove to us the direction because us we are already there.

 

Ok so we had dinner an talked a little about the 3".. He has to be sure that they will fit so I told him to find out because the dimensions are different than the old 94016 thats 49 state only now.. So I cant say that Im going to prove anything with the dual 3" yet.. Keep in mind like you all have said this is real tricky. Might have to make a run to Vegas but not sure if I can find a parts store or shop to let me buy two convertors. In the future I'll be moving to Vegas so cats wont be a problem then.. Now is the problem and I dont want to spend out 500.00 for some Ca cats..When the tech isnt even going to be concerned about the cat as long as it's a cat that looks like it goes there it's fine. Remember if they say no like headers well just go some place else but smog isnt the problem getting the correct placement convertor is an it's not a 2.25" those dimensions are probably different also. Dont want to look into it again at the moment.. But will see what direction I'll have to go.. They just need to revert back an ship the 94016 cats back here. They know we have headers still and we need cats and there not 2.25 stock Y pipes.

 

i just drive around with no stickers or insurance XD

 

Those that have asthma care about pollution. Those that actually want to breathe care about pollution. Why dont we lock you in a garage with your car, start the engine, and then see how much you care?

Cant build good HP and TQ in California? See my signature. See 1989GTATransAm's signature. See Dyno Don's signature. We all pass CA's emissions test. Tell me how much power your car is making?

Be careful. Eventually every state is going to have CA's emissions testing, or the federal government will withhold funding. It's already happened in several states.

 

Iinstead of the direction they say, why dont they help us other than nothing? I think why Is they dont care. We are on our own, will make it. There just Out Laws.

 

Well there has not been very much help. I guess that's why I did my own home work. Either way an all ways I'll get it done. Sorry everybody just not the help I was looking for.

 

Take it there on the trailer, make sure the tags and old exhaust are off. Have them write "off road use only" on the receipt. Tell them it is a race car.

 

So if I want to run dual cat on my 88, I just have to convert it to speed density correct?

 

Nope, the dual cats started on 89 MAF cars.

Want a good way to ditch the polution in LA??
Remove the mountain so you won't keep breathing the same stale air that gets trapped by it.
Its kinda like the air in the back of a pickup truck when going down the road. Not much fresh clean air gets into the lil bubble of swirling air, the fresh stuff just goes over the air bubble.
Stop funding a waste of money government agency!!! Start funding the "level the mountain agency"!!!!

 

Good point. I completely blanked out the 89 and 90 MAF cars... Guess I could claim I have an 89 engine...

 

Locking yourself in the garage with your car running is not the same as being on the road witha polluting car. Both cars will kill you locked up in the garage with you.

I'm not sure that I'd call 12's all that impressive, you can make way more power in something that has low emissions, but with CA style rules it's difficult to do it that it's legal. I could easily build something cleaner that makes more power that wouldn't be legal in CA than a lot of things that are legal in CA.

Besides stupid rules (ones that lead to clean cars not passing emissions), the major problem with CA style rules being adopted in other states is that it's a question of the federal legal system and state sovereignty, individual states do not have the right to impose their laws on others, and the EPA is also not a legislative body, it technically doesn't have any right to make laws at all, it's part of the executive, all it can do is enforce existing laws. In the long run, CA type emissions laws and even the EPA as it operates now should be challenged and overthrown in our court system, but the way that is currently mismanaged it's doubtful it will happen.

 

Its all just a scare tactic to build revenue so the government can buy $50,000 toilets and $200 hammers.

 

Thats the smartest thing I've seen in a long time. But good luck getting the liberal politicians in Sacramento to see it that way. To them, its not the SoCal valley we live in, nor the amount of people we have, nor the hundreds of boats, trains, and trucks in our harbors that cause the pollution. Its the cars on the road that cause it.

To claim you have an '89 engine, you would need to convert your engine to '89 specs, including removing the 9th injector, changing the prom in the computer, etc. And then you'd have to go to the state referee and have your car recertified as an '89 model. Or just find a smog tech that doesnt care. One local member here with an '89 Trans Am that came with dual cats got turned away from a smog station because the tech's book had a typo that said '89 cars didnt come with dual cats.

Sure, but the polluting car will kill you faster.
My time slip is from 10+ years ago. I'm a terrible driver as well. 1989GTATransAm's car run's 11.50's. Dyno Don's car runs 12.40's, as does VincentZ28's car. Yes you're right that CA's laws are stupid, and I agree with you that the EPA and CARB should be abolished, but for right now, those are the laws we live under and I follow the (spirit of) law. I'm simply warning people to be careful, as eventually more and more states might start adopting California-style emissions testing.

 

We're not the smog problem. It's the guys running beaters on the road that are the smog problem. If people would just take care of their cars, it wouldn't be that much of an issue. Here in England the smog rules are strict...but anything before 92 goes by the "carbed/no cat" rules because most people don't drive cars that old anymore. if they do, it's a collector and generally well kept...which isn't a problem as it's not "usually" an every day driver.