Cray z28

Hello everybody,

I just started my first major project of putting a Gen 4 Viper Motor in an 85Z28. Yeah Yeah haters I know but if it wasn't for people who thought out of the box then you wouldn't have cars like the Cobra, Tiger Sunbeam, Superbird...... and many more. So for the Chevy fans I am trying to make it as stock looking as possible with a few minor exceptions. The interior is going to be very modern as well as the drivetrain and suspension. I just started the tear down and will post as soon as I start the first build-up. Unless you guys want to see the deconstruction. The first problem I encountered was a rear end hit some time ago. Very Very bad repair.

gp90gta

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I'm always intrested in a different twist on Third gen, so please post those pic's when you get them.

SDTransAM

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Almost like this more than a LSx swap. But that viper engine is REALLY long. You sure it will even fit? It's tight with an LS engine.

1BADZ28SD

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if this can be done its going to be bad ***

memphis1967

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very interested in this build. You're gonna have to brace your car like crazy to handle the torque

toxik IROC

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post pics!

MAC_87

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sounds awesome!

L695speed

This sounds almost as crazy as my idea to create a modern version of the second gen firebird engineering special called the Pegasus. They put a Ferrari V-12 in a 71 Firebird. I was gonna stuff a Ferrari 550 Maranello V12 and trans into a third gen. Those who didn't scream crack pipe said it would be awesome, but its not happening without serious engineering and modifications. Same could be said for the viper motor. Best of luck, hope you do pull this off somehow. For all I know I might come across a wrecked Ferrari and somehow pull off my own idea. And if you ever do make progress, I'm with the others. Pics!

dangerboy

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Saw a Datsun Z with a viper motor in it. They had to cut the center out of the firewall and move it back 6" but if it can fit in that i'm sure it will fit in a 3rd gen.

82z28 wrencher

i got a grinder and a welder we'll make it fit lol

90_383

I cant wait to see this go down

mh82camaro

i like different ...nothing wrong with that bud...good luck canpt wait to see it

Cray z28

The engine will fit, I did some research and front to rear is 34.5", 23" across the valve covers and 26" pan to intake. The torque wont be a problem with the full frame and cage welded to frame. Thanks for the interest. I will post pics soon. Also I came across a ferrari engine in a late model mustang. The cool part was they kept it mid engine.

Orr89RocZ

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Yep, it should fit, I thought I seen something like this done before but cant recall. I know they put a Lt5 motor ina thirdgen...that was pretty awesome.

Only problem I see, is will the exhaust manifolds allow for exhaust to go down in the factory thirdgen location? May need to fab a set of headers for it.

Else a tubular K-member could help free up some room and give more mounting options with the motor.

1BADRZ28

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There will be no haters if the project gets completed.

DBLTKE

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This sounds Like it could potentially be pretty cool. Do you already have the drivetrain?

1ADan

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in for updates! should be a sweet swap. no haters on something this crazy

85Irocket

I'm in also.

SKELITOR117

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Count me in.

//<86TA>\\

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Pics or its not happening....

irocbirdbuilder

You building some sort of tube chassis for this?

885speed

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Subscribed. Pics!

AM91Camaro_RS

I wanna see it, too!

musicfreako

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Checkin in...

Six_Shooter

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They did that mostly for oil pan fitment reasons, something about how the oiling system, or crank clearance from the oil pan. They made a custom crossmember to push it as far forward as possible.

If it wasn't for my insurance, there would be a second Viper powered Datsun S30.

metalhead212121

"My uncle is a TV repair man.. he's got a master set of tools. He can fix it."



Six_Shooter- when did you become a mod over here? Yes.. this is the same "metalhead" from v6z24.

Dan

tjl IROC

I'm interest to see this (hope it happens)
WE WANT PICS

Aaron91RS

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Been done before, so yeah it "fits"

Andrew91GT

In for pics!

1989GTATransAm

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Signing onto the thread.

Orr89RocZ

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L695speed

Commence Evil laughter--> On a side note, please tell me those vipers in the background are not done for.

camarozz383

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im in!!!!

akanitro

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I'm in. This is going to be one bad-*** ****!

Orr89RocZ

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That pic was of the only thirdgen known to go thru the v10 viper swap. Never seen it finished or heard anything about it since. I believe this was done in 2003

Alwaysboosted

Count me in! Subscribed.

86_sportcoupe

This will be sweet if it gets done. Best of luck to you.

Twin_Turbo

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Looking forward to seeing this

BlackenedBird

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The real question is though.....

Was it ever actually done/really tried? Or was it one of those "What if?" moments in the shop?

Orr89RocZ

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Not sure. I have searched on this forum for the threads but the only one that had a pic was short and never updated. I found a link to the supposive build on Viper Club of America forums, but the link was old and didnt work. I went to VCOA forums and searched but found nothing so not sure what happened to this project.

Cray z28

I have some starter pics showing that this is going to happen and it is not just an idea. Of course the beast will have a full cage-to-frame. Other mods are:
one piece fiberglass electric ram flip nose
butterfly flip fiberglass doors w/power windows
I am designing shock hinges for the rear glass(I hate the long arm gas shocks)
complete custom interior(obviously)
independent rear suspension
Z 06 front suspension
shaved doors
Fisk electronics(no keys for this beast)
also glassing a gen 4 viper hood into the camaro hood
zinik z-28 rims rears 18 fronts 17
flushing all the ground effects to the panels so its seamless
Thats the start of it and we shall see what I come up with later.

bl85c

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Dare to be different is always good. This should be a neat project.

mac86

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im in. cant wait for it to be a finished deal

Cray z28

Wow everybody. I really appreciate the support. I am not a wealthy man, just determined to do what no one has done before. I don't think that other 2003 addition was completed. I am also contemplating twin turbos. I figure why the hell not!!!

memphis1967

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Twin turbo vipers aren't horribly uncommon, I know Hennessey has done a couple. Ever heard of Sir Hiss? Dodge Viper with a blown big block chevy. You're not breaking entirely new ground, but it's the first viper powered camaro that I've heard proposed. Good luck!

Cray z28

Well I know I am not breaking new ground on engine swaps. Of course I know all about the twin turbo Vipers. I am talking about a twin turbo viper powered camaro. Thats the new ground.

Orr89RocZ

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Heck if you needed to fab new headers to fit the car anyway...might as well make some log manifolds for turbos! I like where your head is at.

memphis1967

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Wasn't trying to downplay your project, i just meant that you're not starting from scratch, you have shoulders to stand on to reach new heights.

Cray z28

My Bad!! I hear yah.

bluegrassz

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Its been quite a few years back, but there was one guy on the board that did the swap. It was a yellow camaro and he posted pics of the finished product. If I remember correctly, he caught a lot of flack for it.

Here are a few posts, but some of the links are dead. I did find one pic.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/auto...red-89-rs.html

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/atta...e-fit-v-10.jpg

Maybe Zepher saved some pics from the link.