'89 IROC Vert

I love this.

1987 Rare IROC yellow - 28,000 miles, TPI

- "only 1500 left on the road registered today"
- "repainted back to original factory yellow"
- "The interior is just fair and would cost about $300 to re do."
- "When you can find them in this condition thay go for between $15,000-$20,000."


What's good is the repaint, the bad stripes, needs $300 interior work, and yet it's still worth $15-20,000. But what's best is the interior shot (bottom, right) - the guy converted the interior to look identical to a Jaguar XK6!! Well done!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1875659342

Willie

iTrader: (1)

I sent him an e-mail with correct production figures. Let's keep an eye on this guy's ad to see if he changes is grossly misrepresented Camaro.

Willie

BikertrashDude

nice car....but still $15000?????
some people

marineengineer

Price is too, too highm I agree, But , maybe, just maybe, in "California Zip 91042, you figure the freight", they look at life through ROSE Colored glasses and do things different

Willie

iTrader: (1)

Here's the e-mail I sent to the owner:

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Where do you get your production numbers for the 1987 IROC-Z? Can you site a reference? The Camaro White Book shows 38,889 IROC-Z's produced in 1987. All IROC-Z's came with a V8. The following engines were available in the 1987 IROC-Z:

Standard engine: 305 carb, 170hp
$745 option: 305 TPI w/Auto, 190hp ($490 Automatic)
$745 option: 305 TPI w/5-speed, 215hp
$1045 option: 350 TPI, 225hp

There were 3,052 Camaros (all variants) painted yellow in 1987. There is no breakdown of yellow Sport Coupes and yellow Z28's (with and without the IROC-Z option), so no one knows how many IROC-Z's were produced. Please correct your ad to show the proper production numbers.

Willie
Moderator
History/Restoration Board
wws.thirdgen.org

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This is the response I received:

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What are you the Ebay Hall monitor? Or the Ebay ****??

I am going by what the collector groups are telling me. So get a life!

Even still it makes it a more rare car if the white book says there were only 3,052 out of 38,889.
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And here is my reply:

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What are you the Ebay Hall monitor? Or the Ebay ****??

No sir. I am extremely knowledgeable on third generation Camaros and my area of expertise is the 1987 Camaro. I have personally owned 11 of them since they were new. I did not personally locate your "ad". It was posted on my board. Here it is:

(this address)

I am going by what the collector groups are telling me.

You need to be specific when citing a resource for all potential buyers. What "collector groups" are you referring to? Whoever "they" are, they are grossly wrong. ALL documentation (and I have several), list GM's official production numbers. If you want to verify my figures, call GM customer service at 800.222.1020 and ask for 1987 production numbers.

So get a life!

You must be a kid with a chip on your shoulder. To insult people you don't even know tells me something about you. All I'm trying to do is help you, but you don't realize it, do you? What if you sell the car and the buyer later finds out that the figures you stated were wrong? He could turn around and sue you. So take my constructive criticism of your "facts" and use them wisely. Or you might suffer the consequences.

Even still it makes it a more rare car if the white book says there were only 3,052 out of 38,889

Yes, yellow Camaros are rare. They were only produced two years, 1986 and 1987. But let me make one correction to your statement. It is not 3,052 out of 38,889. The 3,052 yellow Camaros were not all IROC-Z's. They can be Sport Coupes, LT's, Z28's AND IROC-Z's. So if you want to use this figure in your ad, you must state, "Only 3,052 yellow Camaros produced in 1987 out of a total production of 137,760." To say 3,052 out of 38,889 is incorrect.

You are also misleading people when you state these cars came with either the 170hp or the 190hp engines and that yours is the 190hp variant. Yes, this is true, but not the complete story. There were also 215hp and 225hp engines that were available in the 1987 IROC-Z.

You will also find my e-mail to you and your rather "objectionable" response on the thread I listed above. People need to know. Good luck selling your car and as you put it, "Get a life."

Willie
Moderator
History/Restoration Board
www.thirdgen.org

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Further comments to everyone on this board:
I may have been a little crude by mirroring his "get a life" statement. This is certainly not my style, as you guys here know. Insults added to insults is never the answer and I apologize to the owner of this car for doing this.

I truly hope he rewords his ad to reflect official production numbers. It only adds credability to him. Yes, we all know a yellow IROC-Z is somewhat rare. However, I find it important to spell out all the facts in a world-wide ad. There are people out there (like us) who know what these facts are and when we read an ad like this one, we all know that the owner's credability is shot. Like I e-mailed him, I'm only trying to help him sell his car. I hope he reads this and I'd be glad to rewrite his ad to reflect an accurate description. As always, I'll keep you guys informed if anything precipitates out of all this.

Willie

'89 IROC Vert

I doubt he'll change it, Willie. E-Bay is the ultimate "caveat emptor" ("buyer beware"), and as a buyer, if you don't know your stuff, guys like this can easily sell you something they know little about.

Willie

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, I agree. He won't change it. But the important thing is I offered to help this guy.

He really needs to emphasize the strong points about his car, like the color and low mileage. Also, he should mention which option package he has and the contents of that package. But I'm willing to bet that he does not know anything about the option packages that were available for 1987 IROC-Z's.

Willie

swerve-driver

Old saying: It's only worth what someone will give you for it.
Another old saying: There's a sucker born every minute.

E-Bay is like having a garage sale and having 2 million people show up.

I guess we'll find out what it's worth in 9 days or so. It will be interesting.

I see that he has updated the info on his auction, indicating that it is a jag interior and also cites the "Hall Monitors" info, but twists it to his own accord.

Seller may have had a bad reaction at being "called" on information he knew was dubious in the first place.

Also- if things happen to go totally haywire with this auction, it is possible to contact bidders via e-mail, though the seller's update may well clear him legally (morally, I don't know)........

FyreLance

heheh... eBay... gotta love it. :: sigh ::

Z28DJP1987

Eigth sucker bids on that car but the reserve is still not met.

Dirty Rob

Haha, hes got this on there now:
Sorry but everyone has told me the interior is from a Jag, they are corect, sorry about that (wrong car & I can't remove the picture). Also the Ebay Hall Monitor has informed me of my mistakes. There were only 38,889 of these made (which makes it even more rare). And,there were 3,053 in yellow (well at least I was almost correct-I went by what the collectors told me.......silly me?

But he was almost correct!

'89 IROC Vert

And now there's another revision:

"Well, I need to revise this once again. When I got this car, I did a DMV search to make sure of the milage. Their reply was nothing to the contrary. Someone ran a Car Fax and found that on 7/23/1990 there was a smog done at 59,467 miles (funny but DMV only has records up to 5 years old). I spoke with the person that I got this car from and he seemed to remember something about the dash being replaced. I looked and I have to admit that it looks like it (no glove box was a good clue). Still, the milage is still very low and it runs great, and it is Factory Yellow. So buyer be are that I am disclosing as much about the car as I know. If it doesn't get sold on Ebay I will probably keep it. "


The story just gets worse and worse. I wouldn't buy that car just because it's way to suspicious at this point.

marineengineer

Did anybody notice that the new exhaust system installed on this Very Rare Yellow Camaro added about 30 h.p. ? People, we need to find out who made this exhaust system. This guy must be a bleeding genious. Just think, all the work and mods we make to our cars, the money, the time, the blood. And somebody goes and designs a-one-of-a-kind system that can produce that much of an increase on a stock 190hp engine
:hail: :hail: :hail:

Cargasm

this guy posted the following (exerpt)......

something about the dash being replaced. I looked and I have to admit that it looks like it (no glove box was a good clue).

I guess he's used to all the '87 IROCs out there with glove boxes....

rezinn

Glove box huh? That would have been rare. Nice interior pic he's got there too.

4L60bliss

Hahaha, what a loser. So his 28,000 mile car had 60K on it 12 years ago If that car sells for over 1500 bucks, somebody got ripped off.

scottmoyer

Hey Willie, you need to fix your response to him. Yellow was available for 3 years. You forgot 85!

MdFormula350

nice looking car!

ES87iroc

Anyone notice the z28 spec stripes (Not IROC-Z) & Chrome aftermarket looking wheels?


Hmmm....

85yellowiroc-z

Hey guys,that was an awesome mod!!
(exhaust)I've got an 85yellowiroc-z,but mine is a customer ordered car.I dont know about any production numbers thus far,but I do believe it has some rare options.
rear wiper/washer
counsole clock(not present,but on the RPO list,maybe because it has p/w,and power hatch-HELP)
Z06
rear defog
deluxe int.(black)
Also its got some really cool seats and door panels-in the center of the seats is says"CAMARO"starting under the headrest and goes all the way down to the knee bolsters.It fades from the top down in lt.grey,grey,charcoal grey.The pattern carries to the rear spit seat and onto the door panels.Does anyone know where I can get covers to replace these(front seats only,not bad dut not good enough for MY iroc.
ANY INPUT FROM THE MODERATOR WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED-i.e.-rarity,seat covers,did GM install clocks with the power windows/hatch release buttons there?
85yellowiroc-z
91 rs t-top
91 rs convert
82 z28
Thanks for the awesome site,and thanks for any help fellow f-body dudes, and dudetts,Gary

scottmoyer

The console clock was in the console behind the switches when the ERS radio was not ordered. The better radios had the digital clock, so no console clock. The interior of your car is called the LS Conteur seat option. They have 18 adjustment variations. No seat fabric is available for replacement. The rear window wiper is a rare option, only because most people didn't want them. It doesn't add any value to the car or desire for the option, even today. The seats are a rare option also, as many people thought they looked gawdy. The seats with the adjustments were probably the selling the point, not the fabric.

85yellowiroc-z

Why were these extra cost options if nobody wanted them?I see ALOT of ads that say "fully loaded"or similar.At least i can say that with confidence,dont you think so?
Id like to see some production numbers for these options,anyone know where to find them?
Also this cars RPO code reads to be a blue car.I guess its because its a customer ordered car?
Being that its an iroc,its yellow,customer ordered,and the rare options,you dont think any of this will ad to the value of this car?
Anyone else have input?I want to hear it!!"knowledge is powerful"I cant get enough!
Thanks,Gary

scottmoyer

When you see an ad that says fully loaded, make sure you know what that would entail. I see 87 IROCs advertised as fully loaded and they don't even have the 350 or leather.

The options you listed are options that were available and did require an additional fee, but that doesn't add value in todays market. The COPO cars of the 60's had very few options and are worth the most. The cars value is based on having the "right" options or the options the public prefers. Your car is still not loaded because it originally didn't have the upgraded stereo. Rear window louvers were an additional cost item, but they aren't liked by many either.

There were 7367 rear window wipers on all 85 Camaro models.
There were 4599 Yellow Camaros in 1985 (all models)

I found this website that has the LS Conteur seat fabric available.
http://www.desertsunauto.com/camaro_information.htm

85yellowiroc-z

My iroc does have the badge on the dash"ERSS".The original radio (which I have)was a digital tape with eq.The rear louver that came with the car are in my garage.I believe they are original.
Hows that for loaded?I know if I was to order a car, id want every option available too.
Thanks for the reply,and e-mail address!!Gary
oh,check out my 91rs convert here-I paid 1800,do you think thats fair?

http:/users.adelphia.net/~93zz/AYHJA.html
its my newest addition to my collection

85yellowiroc-z

Thanks for the link to that awesome site,they have what alot of camaro owners are looking for.Unfortunately,they do not list the LS upholstry covers in black. Gary

Willie

iTrader: (1)

Hey Willie, you need to fix your response to him. Yellow was available for 3 years. You forgot 85!

Scott,

I stand corrected. I forgot that in 1985, two shades of yellow were available and I believe these are 1985 exclusive. The 1986 and 1987 yellow had a different paint code. I also just realized that the bright metallic blue, which was first available in 1985, was also changed in 1986....hmmm..... I wonder why?

Willie

Z28DJP1987

The reason you special order a car is to get the options you want not all special extra cost items put on dealer ordered cars. Otherword, the special order cars have less options and were cheaper in most cases.

84 Challenge

"out of these only 50,000 were V/8's."

Where did he get the above statement?.......from the same collector groups too?

After reading the description further.....how can one determine if an 87 IROC has 28,000 miles on it when it sat in the impound for five years and after a dash replacement? Can't believe 14 folks believe this.....

Brandon

ES87iroc

There's some good potential there, just be aware that the car has been clipped. It was whacked pretty bad in the front at some point. But for the price, so long as the car is sqaure & all there, not a bad deal.