As taken from the autotrader. I see drag wheels, and LT1? all original? hm...


Year : 1987
Make : CHEVROLET
Model : CAMARO
Model Detail : CONVERTIBLE
Price : $Call
Mileage : Not Available
Ad Code : CFRDMY
Date: 5/20/03
Features : Only 1100 of these in the world! This is #464. All original, 29,000 original km. Leather, full power group, corvette LT1 engine, original also available.
Contact : SEVEN VIEW
(905)669-5050 www.sevenviewchrysler.com

 

Well, he said it is all original but w/the LT1 engine, or you can have the original engine with it. You could always put the original engine back in to make it all original again.

 

This car is most likely an original yellow 1987 IROC-Z coupe. I'll explain in detail after I hear a response from this dealership. Here's an e-mail I just sent to them:

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Sir,

As a car dealership, I suggest you get your facts straight about this 1987 IROC-Z convertible. As a historian of third generation Camaros and an owner of several 1987 Z28 convertibles, I can shed some light on your car. It is not nearly as rare as you surmise (not even close, to be exact). Please call me and I'll give you all the details, including documented production figures. Otherwise, face the wrath of a potential buyer taking legal action against you in the future for false advertising (misrepresentation). If you get my voicemail, please leave your name and number and I WILL call you back.

Willie
(phone number)
(time to call)
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It should be interesting to see if they call me. I'll keep you guys informed.

 

yeah, please keep us posted, willie.

 

considering they're asking $40,000 canadian, they'll be holding onto it for a while.

 

Thats a very nice car

 

ask him for the vin# ,that would clear any issues. Also I don't think they came with an LT1 and it's not that rare, I own one which is #105 . by the way mine came with a 305 not a 350

 

Yea I'm pretty sure no convertibles ever came with 350's at least mine didn't. If you want a nice one buy mine!!!

 

Twenty-four hours after sending the e-mail and no response from the dealership yet.

Let me explain a few "major" flaws with this car. First of all, there were ZERO yellow third-gen Camaros produced. Although yellow was a factory color in 1987 (other years too), it was not available on a convertible, albeit a Sport Coupe or Z28. Now, let's make an assumption that this car was originally yellow. That means it left the factory as a coupe. It was converted either by the dealership before it was sold to the public, OR it was sold, then shipped to ASC by the owner to be converted.

The dealership states this car is number xxx of 1,100 produced. He's batting 1000 here. The 1,100 figure is in error. There was a total of 1,007 Camaro convertibles produced in 1987 (263 SC's, 744 Z28's). This car is serialized (or so the dealership says). I know for a fact that ASC's non-factory convertible conversions (the scenario I set above) were serialized. This was true for 1987 only. Also, the dealership does not make mention that this car is a "20th Anniversary Commemorative Edition" Camaro. Only convertibles got this designation and a map pocket indicating such. If you were to advertise this car, wouldn't you say it was an anniversary car? Because I believe this car is not a factory convertible, it does not carry this designation, nor does it have the map pocket. This is the reason why the dealership does not know of this fact.

This car has an automatic transmission. If it were a bona-fide 1987 IROC-Z convertible ("3" = sixth digit in VIN) with an automatic, it originally came with the 305 carb (LG4) as no 305 TPI's with automatic were built in 1987 -- they were all 5-speeds. Also, it is true that zero factory convertibles were built with the 350.

Enough ammo to support my suspicions for now.

Willie

 

WOW! You tell them Willie, thats some impressive information there.

 

Idon't understand? there were NONE or were there some produced? I see a guy around here with a yellow IROC that looks like original paint.
I don't doubt you willie, I know you know your stuff, I just don't understand that statment.
BTW I hope you set that dealer straight.
also what is $40,000 canadian?

 

Willie,
You stated that there were ZERO cars with an auto/305 TPI combo in 87... I thought for sure that there were automatics with a 305 TPI in 87, I know in 86 there were Zero 5 Speeds with TPI.

John

 

i think willie meant that there were NO thirdgen convertibles that were painted yellow




second thought..............
that is incorrect though, because there are those 2 1992 yellow TA convertibles

 

263 + 744 = 1007

What about the 2 +/- LT Verts? Or were those considered SC's?
Not that im doubting your 87 vert knowledge willie, just didnt know if you left it out.

And looks like he updated the # to 1,007.

 

i think willie meant that there were NO thirdgen convertibles that were painted yellow

This is what I meant. Sorry, I left out one very important word:

Zero factory produced third generation yellow Camaro convertibles.


You stated that there were ZERO cars with an auto/305 TPI combo in 87... I thought for sure there were automatics with the 305 TPI in 87....

I'm speaking of 1987 convertibles only, not coupes. The 1987 Z28 convertible had only two available drivetrains:

1) 305 LG4 with auto &
2) 305 TPI with 5-speed.


What about the 2+/- LT verts? Or were those considered SC's?

The LT was an option on the Sport Coupe. So the 2 LT convertibless we know of are included in the 263. Because the LT was an option, just like the soft top, there is no breakdown in production figures.

It's exactly the same with the IROC-Z convertible. It was an option on the Z28, so no official breakdown in production number. All we know is that the total of Z28 and Z28/IROC-Z convertibles is 744.

Hope this clears up the mess I made!!

Willie

 

Thanks Willie,

You really had me scratching my head... I read your post the first time and read it to say that there were no auto/TPI cars then I read it again I took it to mean no Auto/TPI/Convert, and the third time I read no Auto/TPI...

(2 out of 3 wins) so I HAD to ask.

thanks for clearing that up...

John

 

One other thing that I notice when I look at the yellow convert pic... The top looks funny, like its too narrow behind the door window. Or is it me...

John

 

i noticed the same

 

Also weren't the door ding guards body color in 87?. My buddy's 87 Iroc has red ones on a red car. This one has black on yellow.

 

....I read your post the first time and read it to say that there were no auto/TPI cars then I read it again I took it to mean no Auto/TPI/Convert, and the third time I read no Auto/TPI...

Right. The ironic thing is I don't have to look any further than my garage to see a 1987 IROC-Z with a 305 TPI and auto!! But it's my coupe. See the shifter ****? In the background is my other '87. It's a 305 TPI / 5-speed.

And yes, the 1987 body side moldings are supposed to be body color on Z28's.

Willie