How to ID L98 versus LB9?
How to ID L98 versus LB9?
I am a new user, and I know this question has been asked 100 times already, but I cannot find it posted.
Would someone point me where to look?
I am going to look at a supposedly L98 1992 Z28 this weekend (8th VIN digit is an 8). I have seen photographs of the engine, and it is obviously a TPI engine. However, just because it left GM as a 5.7 does not mean it is still a 5.7 11 years later.
I would really like to find a way to identify whether it is a 5.0 or a 5.7 engine. It is an automatic, so no indication there.
Also, the engine is still in the car so visibility is limited.
I know this must be posted somewhere on this site, but I have looked for an hour and have not found it yet.
Bill S.
Would someone point me where to look?
I am going to look at a supposedly L98 1992 Z28 this weekend (8th VIN digit is an 8). I have seen photographs of the engine, and it is obviously a TPI engine. However, just because it left GM as a 5.7 does not mean it is still a 5.7 11 years later.
I would really like to find a way to identify whether it is a 5.0 or a 5.7 engine. It is an automatic, so no indication there.
Also, the engine is still in the car so visibility is limited.
I know this must be posted somewhere on this site, but I have looked for an hour and have not found it yet.
Bill S.
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I'm not number one on this subject....but...I think the actual engine looks the same from appearence. (sorry if I'm wrong everyone) Me....I can tell the difference from a 5.0 and a 5.7 like night and day if it has an aftermarket exhaust system. If anyone has any info.....as far as the appearence goes....please post...cause I'd like to know too...
They look the same externally. The easiest way is to try and find the casting plate on the driver's side against the firewall. With these late model blocks they actually cast in the 5.0L or 5.7L If it isnt there you can always run the block casting number on www.mortec.com
iroc22,
Thanks for the information.
Just to clarify, I assume the plate is on the block itself and not the heads or intake. Also assume it is above the transmission.
Should I be able to see it from above, or is it attached to the back of the engine so that I need a mirror?
Just saw on this site that all L98, 1LE, and B4C cars have an oil cooler. Since 1LE and B4C are pretty rare, I was wondering about using this as a suggestion (but not proof) that the enginer is correct. What do you think?
Sorry for the additional questions, I am just getting excited about possibly getting another "fun" car.
Bill S.
Thanks for the information.
Just to clarify, I assume the plate is on the block itself and not the heads or intake. Also assume it is above the transmission.
Should I be able to see it from above, or is it attached to the back of the engine so that I need a mirror?
Just saw on this site that all L98, 1LE, and B4C cars have an oil cooler. Since 1LE and B4C are pretty rare, I was wondering about using this as a suggestion (but not proof) that the enginer is correct. What do you think?
Sorry for the additional questions, I am just getting excited about possibly getting another "fun" car.
Bill S.
Originally posted by bills
Just saw on this site that all L98, 1LE, and B4C cars have an oil cooler. Since 1LE and B4C are pretty rare, I was wondering about using this as a suggestion (but not proof) that the enginer is correct. What do you think?
Just saw on this site that all L98, 1LE, and B4C cars have an oil cooler. Since 1LE and B4C are pretty rare, I was wondering about using this as a suggestion (but not proof) that the enginer is correct. What do you think?
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I judge them from the air intake (which I thought differed) and the speedo which is sometimes 140 MPH for the full 350 small block.
Mine also had dual enhaust but can't say for sure that's 5.7 only but was one thing that impressed me when buying my ride.
Mine's an 89 so I'm not as up to speed on the later cars.
Another Bill S. ...just great!
Bill S.
Mine also had dual enhaust but can't say for sure that's 5.7 only but was one thing that impressed me when buying my ride.
Mine's an 89 so I'm not as up to speed on the later cars.
Another Bill S. ...just great!
Bill S.
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Originally posted by Bill Speed
I judge them from the air intake (which I thought differed) and the speedo which is sometimes 140 MPH for the full 350 small block.
Mine also had dual enhaust but can't say for sure that's 5.7 only but was one thing that impressed me when buying my ride.
Mine's an 89 so I'm not as up to speed on the later cars.
I judge them from the air intake (which I thought differed) and the speedo which is sometimes 140 MPH for the full 350 small block.
Mine also had dual enhaust but can't say for sure that's 5.7 only but was one thing that impressed me when buying my ride.
Mine's an 89 so I'm not as up to speed on the later cars.
Re: How to ID L98 versus LB9?
Originally posted by bills
I am a new user, and I know this question has been asked 100 times already, but I cannot find it posted.
Would someone point me where to look?
I am going to look at a supposedly L98 1992 Z28 this weekend (8th VIN digit is an 8). I have seen photographs of the engine, and it is obviously a TPI engine. However, just because it left GM as a 5.7 does not mean it is still a 5.7 11 years later.
I would really like to find a way to identify whether it is a 5.0 or a 5.7 engine. It is an automatic, so no indication there.
Also, the engine is still in the car so visibility is limited.
I know this must be posted somewhere on this site, but I have looked for an hour and have not found it yet.
Bill S.
I am a new user, and I know this question has been asked 100 times already, but I cannot find it posted.
Would someone point me where to look?
I am going to look at a supposedly L98 1992 Z28 this weekend (8th VIN digit is an 8). I have seen photographs of the engine, and it is obviously a TPI engine. However, just because it left GM as a 5.7 does not mean it is still a 5.7 11 years later.
I would really like to find a way to identify whether it is a 5.0 or a 5.7 engine. It is an automatic, so no indication there.
Also, the engine is still in the car so visibility is limited.
I know this must be posted somewhere on this site, but I have looked for an hour and have not found it yet.
Bill S.
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Car: 1989 Formy droptop/88 Deville
Engine: L98 350 TPI
Transmission: factory RWD, WS6 susp
Originally posted by iroc22
The intake's were the same on the 305 and 350. You could get the 140mph speedo with either engine; it was part of the G92 package. The dual cat package could be had on both engines once again as it was part of the G92 package (RPO N10).
The intake's were the same on the 305 and 350. You could get the 140mph speedo with either engine; it was part of the G92 package. The dual cat package could be had on both engines once again as it was part of the G92 package (RPO N10).
Bill
Originally posted by Bill Speed
I was thinking the route of the lead in hose to the plenum to be specific. As the package you refer to, wasn't the default to have the 140 on the biggest engine unless it was an order for the smaller one? I'm just trying to get a fix on this and not mislead anyone. Thanks
Bill
I was thinking the route of the lead in hose to the plenum to be specific. As the package you refer to, wasn't the default to have the 140 on the biggest engine unless it was an order for the smaller one? I'm just trying to get a fix on this and not mislead anyone. Thanks
Bill
Yeah I'm fairly certain that all 350's got the 140mph speedo, while the 305 had to have G92 specified to receive the bigger speedo.
Speedos can be swapped out tho. I'm curious to the same thing(how to tell a 350). I have a 350 in my 86 T/A which originally came w/a 305(both tpi). I know it's a 350 because I put it in there! My 89 Formula 350 was the donor car. I never plan on selling this car--but in the event of something happening--whoever runs my vin will come back w/a 305. Since it's an 89 motor(has the oil cooler on it--but lines aren't connected)will it have that pad w/the 5.7 on the pass side rear of the block? I have the dual cats to put on it, also has the dual fans and the 140 speedo w/3.27 gears(was a G92 car)--so all the 350 clues are there--except for the vin.
Originally posted by Tonyrodz
Since it's an 89 motor(has the oil cooler on it--but lines aren't connected)will it have that pad w/the 5.7 on the pass side rear of the block?
Since it's an 89 motor(has the oil cooler on it--but lines aren't connected)will it have that pad w/the 5.7 on the pass side rear of the block?
Originally posted by bills
Just to clarify, I assume the plate is on the block itself and not the heads or intake. Also assume it is above the transmission.
Should I be able to see it from above, or is it attached to the back of the engine so that I need a mirror?
Just to clarify, I assume the plate is on the block itself and not the heads or intake. Also assume it is above the transmission.
Should I be able to see it from above, or is it attached to the back of the engine so that I need a mirror?
Originally posted by Tonyrodz
Since it's an 89 motor(has the oil cooler on it--but lines aren't connected)will it have that pad w/the 5.7 on the pass side rear of the block?
Since it's an 89 motor(has the oil cooler on it--but lines aren't connected)will it have that pad w/the 5.7 on the pass side rear of the block?
Originally posted by bills
cdartz,
Thanks for the photograph. It really clears up where I should be looking.
Bill
cdartz,
Thanks for the photograph. It really clears up where I should be looking.
Bill
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Originally posted by iroc22
Well the routing may be different on the birds but on the Camaros (which he is talking about) is the same for both engines.
Yeah I'm fairly certain that all 350's got the 140mph speedo, while the 305 had to have G92 specified to receive the bigger speedo.
Well the routing may be different on the birds but on the Camaros (which he is talking about) is the same for both engines.
Yeah I'm fairly certain that all 350's got the 140mph speedo, while the 305 had to have G92 specified to receive the bigger speedo.
My car has 2.73's or 2.77. I only know from the 70 mile an hour trick in drive.
Last edited by 87WS6; Aug 21, 2003 at 08:24 AM.
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Look for the VIN on the block. Stamped on a pad forward of the passenger side head. It won't be the complete vin, the 1G1FP part is deleted. You will have to probably move some stuff out of the way, but this is the most accurate way to make sure it is the original engine. While you are looking for the VIN, there is another alphanumeric code there too. Note that and reference it in the white book or post it and someone here could figure it out. If I find a pic of mine, I will post it.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
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Good info. I have been wondering if my car had the original engine in it or not. It pulls to hard according to the butt dyno to be a stock 305. We shall soon find out.
Originally posted by 87WS6
What all came with G92? I have 145MPH speedo and I have the LB9 engine. Not the L98. I checked the RPO decoder and it listed G92 as rear axle ratio performance stuff. Says nothing about speedo.
My car has 2.73's or 2.77. I only know from the 70 mile an hour trick in drive.
What all came with G92? I have 145MPH speedo and I have the LB9 engine. Not the L98. I checked the RPO decoder and it listed G92 as rear axle ratio performance stuff. Says nothing about speedo.
My car has 2.73's or 2.77. I only know from the 70 mile an hour trick in drive.
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Isn't the redline on the L98 5500 and the LB9 5000? that would be an easy way to tell. but if it isnt the original engine, you can always check the block.
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on my car theres still the sticker on the inside of the hood, by the passenger side that says what engine it is. but in most cases u hardly see those on a car.
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Car: 1990 TPI Camaro IROC-Z (G92code)
Engine: LB9 5.0 TPI (w/ G92 option)
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Axle/Gears: GU6 option 3.42 posi
Re: How to ID L98 versus LB9?
Well G92 usually consisted of a package of stuff. When G92 was specified on an auto LB9's (up until 88 or 89) it included a disc brake rear end with 3.23 gears, oil cooler, 145mph speedo and limited slip unit. The only difference between the manual and auto LB9 before 89 IIRC was the higher geared rear end (3.45) in the manual cars. Even with G92 I'm pretty sure all the auto LB9's still were rated at 190 though and the manuals 220.
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