Formula Yes or no
04-20-2004, 07:51 PM
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Formula Yes or no
Ok, i looked up my car on carfax.com and they said it was a formula. but i thought formulas were either 350 tpi or 305 tpi and not tbi.
The engine code is e
i think some one is screwin with me.
The engine code is e
i think some one is screwin with me.
04-20-2004, 07:55 PM
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Car: '90 RS
Engine: 377 LSX
Transmission: Magnum T56
The engine code E is for an LO3. I am pretty sure you could get a formula with the LO3 but I am not sure. I will move this to the history board since we are trying to identify your cars guts.
04-20-2004, 08:09 PM
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Car: 1991 T/A - Sold (sniff) 1980 T/A Pa
Yes you could get a TBI Formula, but carfax will not be able to tell if you have one.
You will need to get your RPO codes to verify that you have a Formula or a regular base Firebird.
GL!
You will need to get your RPO codes to verify that you have a Formula or a regular base Firebird.
GL!
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Car: 1982 Trans Am KITT Replica
Engine: LU5 305 CROSSFIRE
Transmission: TH-350
Axle/Gears: Limited Slip 3:23
Yes Lo3's were available in formula s' that was the base v8.At the moment i forgot what years could have had them.But I'm guessing they were available in each of the 6 years the formula was out.
04-20-2004, 09:23 PM
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Car: '90 RS
Engine: 377 LSX
Transmission: Magnum T56
Originally posted by Dave84Bird
my Formula was originally a 305TBI (vin code E)
my Formula was originally a 305TBI (vin code E)
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Car: 1990 Formula
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: Auto
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi
Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
I wasn't sure because the tech data didn't list an LO3 with any of the formulas. My knowledge of birds is limited.
I wasn't sure because the tech data didn't list an LO3 with any of the formulas. My knowledge of birds is limited.
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04-21-2004, 12:47 AM
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Car: 1990 GTA and 83,99,02 Trans Am WS6
Engine: 350 TPI,CrossFire 305 and LS1
Transmission: 4L60 and 700R4 and 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 90-3.23,83-3.42,99-3.73,02-3.42
Originally posted by 3rdgenparts
I'm guessing they were available in each of the 6 years the formula was out.
I'm guessing they were available in each of the 6 years the formula was out.
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Originally posted by Dave84Bird
...... but there was a guy who decoded them all for me and even sent me nice pics of the available wheels for the car. i forget who (and i hope i don't offend them i did appreciate it) but it was either KIZZ or 82RecaroT/A.
...... but there was a guy who decoded them all for me and even sent me nice pics of the available wheels for the car. i forget who (and i hope i don't offend them i did appreciate it) but it was either KIZZ or 82RecaroT/A.
I remember your user name. My first Recaro had been titled to a guy in Circle Pines, MN.
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If your car was a Formula, you would have RPO code W66.
04-21-2004, 01:14 AM
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Car: 1982 Trans Am KITT Replica
Engine: LU5 305 CROSSFIRE
Transmission: TH-350
Axle/Gears: Limited Slip 3:23
I was close wasn't I LOL!.Due i get a sticker and a cookie
Originally posted by steven90GTA
The LO3 was available for only 5 of the 6 years because in 87 the base engine for the Formula was the LG4
The LO3 was available for only 5 of the 6 years because in 87 the base engine for the Formula was the LG4
04-21-2004, 01:14 AM
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Car: 91 firebird TBI
Engine: Three SLow Five. LO3
Transmission: MAN 5 SPD B0RG WARNER, 77MM, 2.95
cool. thanks i wast to sure there for a moment. well on to my next dillema on the tranny boards. broken shifter, i think.
and also way back when when i first got my car i looked up the rpos and i think that was one that it didnt recognize. i cant find that sheet for the lfe of me.
its cool the car was brand new when my unc bought it then he sold it to me for $1000@154k mi. and it still runs strong.
and also way back when when i first got my car i looked up the rpos and i think that was one that it didnt recognize. i cant find that sheet for the lfe of me.
its cool the car was brand new when my unc bought it then he sold it to me for $1000@154k mi. and it still runs strong.
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04-21-2004, 01:39 PM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
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Unfortunately all firebirds with a V8 would come back with a "Formula" designation, wheter or not it was a Formula.
Some Facts about Firebirds & Formulas:
-Formulas came with V8's LG4, LO3, LB9, or L98
-Firebirds came with a V6 or the LO3 V8
-Formulas NEVER EVER EVER came with ground effects (from 87-92)
-The later years from 90 or 91 thru 92, the Title would state "Firebird Formula" if a Firebird came with a V8
-Formulas got the Powerbuldge Hood
-Formulas Got the Aero Spoiler,
-Firebirds got a straight Wing
-Formulas got the gage package
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Some Facts about Firebirds & Formulas:
-Formulas came with V8's LG4, LO3, LB9, or L98
-Firebirds came with a V6 or the LO3 V8
-Formulas NEVER EVER EVER came with ground effects (from 87-92)
-The later years from 90 or 91 thru 92, the Title would state "Firebird Formula" if a Firebird came with a V8
-Formulas got the Powerbuldge Hood
-Formulas Got the Aero Spoiler,
-Firebirds got a straight Wing
-Formulas got the gage package
John
04-21-2004, 01:59 PM
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Car: 1990 GTA and 83,99,02 Trans Am WS6
Engine: 350 TPI,CrossFire 305 and LS1
Transmission: 4L60 and 700R4 and 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 90-3.23,83-3.42,99-3.73,02-3.42
and didn't they all have the WS6 package
04-21-2004, 02:47 PM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
yes, and the WS6 Package was standard,
also 16"x8" rims (which was a part of WS6)
Standard 1987 Formula Wheel, (may have been used on very few 1988's as well):
also 16"x8" rims (which was a part of WS6)
Standard 1987 Formula Wheel, (may have been used on very few 1988's as well):
04-21-2004, 02:48 PM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
From 1988 thru 1990 ALL Formulas got these wheels, MOST 1991 & 1992 Formulas got them as well...
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
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and in 1991 & 1992, SOME Formulas got these wheels as an option, usually with a 350 & t-tops, but not always.
any more questions?
any more questions?
04-21-2004, 03:57 PM
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Car: 91 firebird TBI
Engine: Three SLow Five. LO3
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no, you guys have alieviated my concerns, but if you t5ers can find a way to the tranny board maybe yous guys can help me out.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=236606
Nice bird.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=236606
Nice bird.
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Car: 1989 Camaro IROC-Z
Engine: L98 350 TPI
Transmission: Built TH-700 R4 (Vilgilante 2800)
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Originally posted by okfoz
and in 1991 & 1992, SOME Formulas got these wheels as an option, usually with a 350 & t-tops, but not always.
any more questions?
and in 1991 & 1992, SOME Formulas got these wheels as an option, usually with a 350 & t-tops, but not always.
any more questions?
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04-22-2004, 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by gearhead0384
If I am correct you could not get a 91-92 with a 350 and T tops.
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If I am correct you could not get a 91-92 with a 350 and T tops.
Kevin
04-22-2004, 04:01 PM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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MDformula has a 1991, and they were availble in late 1991 thru 1992, I have seen about 5 personally, there is a black one here in Flint that is an original T-top (not C&C conversion) t-tops (trying to convince owner to sell 
), Seen a Red one, there was a few at the T/A nats...
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), Seen a Red one, there was a few at the T/A nats...John
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04-23-2004, 08:53 AM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Being that is production # 45812, it is safe to assume the car was produced in LATE 1991. The highest figure I have for 1991 Firebirds is 50,454
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04-23-2004, 01:54 PM
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Mitch,
I did not mean to offend you, its really a common misconception and to be honest there are alot of things out there about these cars that surprise even the savviest of people here... I remember when I thought that there was no factory T-top 350 cars, and to be honest I am waiting for that day when someone sais I have this car and I have never seen another like it... and he has some rare or thought to be non-existant, but has all the proof. I love that, it makes me tingle inside when something odd appears that is really thought not to exist.
Oddly enough about the Formula, in 1991 and 1992 it appears to be the only model to actually get t-tops and a 350, I have never seen or heard of another model firebird or camaro. I imagine One will turn up eventually, but none as of yet.
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I did not mean to offend you, its really a common misconception and to be honest there are alot of things out there about these cars that surprise even the savviest of people here... I remember when I thought that there was no factory T-top 350 cars, and to be honest I am waiting for that day when someone sais I have this car and I have never seen another like it... and he has some rare or thought to be non-existant, but has all the proof. I love that, it makes me tingle inside when something odd appears that is really thought not to exist.
Oddly enough about the Formula, in 1991 and 1992 it appears to be the only model to actually get t-tops and a 350, I have never seen or heard of another model firebird or camaro. I imagine One will turn up eventually, but none as of yet.
John
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Actually, not all Formulas came with the guage package. Only the Lvl 3 WS6 cars came with the 140 Speedo and 8k RPM tach. The T/A's all came with the guage. And if I am not mistaken, the only Formulas to get GTA rims, were 1LE cars, and they only came with a Hardtop, no T-Tops available.
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Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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ummm, no, all Formulas got the gage package... ALL formulas got the WS6, Your engine and Transmission package would determine your speedo and tach, but the gages remained. (some years the rear axel, engine and trans would determine your speedo and tach).
The black T/A rims are an option, states so right in the dealer info, you could have gotten them on any formula, although it seems that mostly 350,t-top cars got them. 1LE's did not automatically get you the black cross lace rims either, since I have seen a factory owned yellow Formula 1LE with the standard rims.
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The black T/A rims are an option, states so right in the dealer info, you could have gotten them on any formula, although it seems that mostly 350,t-top cars got them. 1LE's did not automatically get you the black cross lace rims either, since I have seen a factory owned yellow Formula 1LE with the standard rims.
John
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