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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 12:38 AM
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looking at some messed up 1991 Z28 Camaro? Need help/tips?

I am thinking of buying this 1991 Chevy Camaro Z28. However this is really odd. The title of the car says its a Z28. It has the 91-92 Z28 big wing on it. And it also has the front Z28 grill with the Z28 red chevy logo. However under the good is a 305 TBI motor. I checked on a website with this year car with this motor and it says that it came in the RS Camaro's in 1991? The car is also a 5 speed. Everything says and looks like a Z28, but the motor is an RS 305? WTF? Does the 91-92 Camaro's say Z28 on the dash? Because this one doesn't say Z28 it just says in a small Detail Camaro. I checked the VIN number and it says it has like the L03 V8. And thats listed as it came in the firebirds and the RS Camaro's Its just very odd.
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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Sounds like it's just an RS with Z28 parts on it (happens all the time). When you ran the VIN, what did the VIN say the car was, a Z28 or RS? Also, was the hood flat or did it have the raised hood blisters?

Does the 91-92 Camaro's say Z28 on the dash?
I'm almost positive they do. My RS just has a badge that says CAMARO on it, just like the car you're looking at has.
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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How do I tell if its an RS or Z28 from the VIN number? I was able to use the VIN number to tell me that it has an LO3 V8 motor (used in the RS in 1991). What digit in the vin number tells you RS or Z28? There a website that decodes the vin number for you?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 01:22 AM
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No matter what if its a 91 and it has an L03, its an RS.
Not sure if the decoder still works
https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/vin/
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 01:26 AM
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Sounds like someone has made a z28 clone, I don't mind when this is done but don't try to pass it off as a z28 if its not be honest. But who know maybe it was done before the current owner bought it.
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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Z28 has Z28 on the dash
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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You can't really tell if it's a Z28 from the VIN itself, you need to find the RPO label in the rear "glove box" in the hatch area and find the Z28 RPO code.

But also I think that all Z28's had either 5.0 or 5.7 TPI motors, but they may have stuck a 305 TBI in them, don't really know.
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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its an RS and thats final. Unless they took a Z28 and swapped in a RS dash and RS 170hp motor which would be the dumbest thing ever
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 02:51 AM
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well lets not jump to conclusions - formula is the pontiac equivalent of chevry Z28 and my formula, as well as many others, has an L03, and that the formula package upgrades you to V8 power - so i think it is an actual Z28 not a clone.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by Derek The Great
well lets not jump to conclusions - formula is the pontiac equivalent of chevry Z28 and my formula, as well as many others, has an L03, and that the formula package upgrades you to V8 power - so i think it is an actual Z28 not a clone.
Ummmmm......kinda.....errrr......no
Yes, the formula may be similar to the Z28 package in that it adds similar items, but no, they did not run a TBI setup in ANY of the Z28s in 1991.......NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think DanTheMan is probably right. Unless someone replaced the dash, the engine, the wiring harness, and the computer, then it is going to be an RS. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just that that is what it is gonna be.

GeForce.... do you have your RPO list handy? It will either be in your console or in the rear compartment on the driver's side under the hatch.

The Z28 did have a yellow Z28 emblem on the dash in '91.

Edit - GeForce, what's the VIN on the car?????
You can tell if it is a Z28, because if it has the LB9 or the L98, then it is gonna be a Z28. The VIN will denote what engine should be in the car.

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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by 911rsq
Ummmmm......kinda.....errrr......no
Yes, the formula may be similar to the Z28 package in that it adds similar items, but no, they did not run a TBI setup in ANY of the Z28s in 1991.......NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think DanTheMan is probably right. Unless someone replaced the dash, the engine, the wiring harness, and the computer, then it is going to be an RS. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just that that is what it is gonna be.

GeForce.... do you have your RPO list handy? It will either be in your console or in the rear compartment on the driver's side under the hatch.

The Z28 did have a yellow Z28 emblem on the dash in '91.

Edit - GeForce, what's the VIN on the car?????
You can tell if it is a Z28, because if it has the LB9 or the L98, then it is gonna be a Z28. The VIN will denote what engine should be in the car.
Well i don't have the VIN number with me anymore but when I decoaded the VIN number it said the car had the LO3 305 TBI motor. So most likey this car is an RS but was converted into a Z28 looking car. Must have had it professional done because of the rear wing.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by 911rsq
Ummmmm......kinda.....errrr......no
Yes, the formula may be similar to the Z28 package in that it adds similar items, but no, they did not run a TBI setup in ANY of the Z28s in 1991.......NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i stand corrected
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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Well my hooking my friend up with another Camaro that is automatic. He is going to try to sell his 91 RS (Z28 lookalike) to be as cheap as possible. Do you think this car is worth it for 2K? It has 127K, 5 speed, and 305 TBI, T-tops, blue outside, grey inside.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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Even as a clone, as long as it looks good it sounds like an easy $3500 car.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:53 AM
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I would have to agree that it is prob worth more than $2,000 as long as it looks good and has all the Z28 appearance upgrades.... being a 5-speed helps out too.....
I think $2,500 - $3,000 would be a good fair price...

Just remember, when selling it BE HONEST. There's nothing worse than getting your new pride and joy home only to find out it's not quite what you paid for....
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Klortho
You can't really tell if it's a Z28 from the VIN itself, you need to find the RPO label in the rear "glove box" in the hatch area and find the Z28 RPO code.
Not entirely true,you can tell from the VIN.The 8th digit on all 350tpi cars is an 8.The LB9(305tpi) Z28 8th digit is an F.So that kinda simplifies it some.Also the Rpo sticker is in the center console for '91s.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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Well yeah I would deff tell the other person that this car is an 1991 RS and that it was turned into a Z28 look alike. I really wouldn't even bother with this car however its maunal what I been looking for. I think I will just buy this car and when I finally find a true Z28 or IROC-Z, I will just sell this one.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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I thought that only 92's had z28 or rs on the dash. I have a 91 rs, says camaro on the dash, a person I use to work with had a 92 rs, said rs on the dash.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Correct. 1992 got RS for the dash, while the earlier ones said CAMARO in white on a silver background.

92 (got from CarDomain)



91 (from cardomain)


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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:49 PM
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Yeah, I found a pic of a 91 z28 and it says z28 on the dash.
Attached Thumbnails looking at some messed up 1991 Z28 Camaro? Need help/tips?-z28.jpg  
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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I test drove the car today and it runs pretty well. Man I wish I liked other Camaro's besides the lst and 3rd gen ones. Because this 305 TBI motor is a dog lol. Anyway I drove it today and he is having problems with it (and can't figure out why) that after the cars been running alittle bit, and you turn the car off and try to restart it, the car doesn't seem like it has enough power to kick over? If you let it sit about 2 min or so you can crank it enough to get the engine to fire over? He has replaced the battery and also the alternator with brand new stuff. He said he also replaced the started as well. Do you guys have any clue what the problem could be? There also is a check engine soon light coming on while the car idle's and it seems once in awhile while you are driving it. Also while the car is at idle, the car shakes.. is this alright with a stock V8 car? I could see if it was a large displacement motor lol.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by vrtc350
Yeah, I found a pic of a 91 z28 and it says z28 on the dash.
Correct, all Z28's 1982-1992 said Z28 on the dash.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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Just another example of the '91Z28 dashmine..
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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sounds like the hot soleniod problem. The soleniod gets hot and won't engage the starter. Most people fix the problem by relocating the soleniod away from the engine. Kits are available for that.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by vrtc350
sounds like the hot soleniod problem. The soleniod gets hot and won't engage the starter. Most people fix the problem by relocating the soleniod away from the engine. Kits are available for that.
I fixed that very problem with my starter solenoid by buying a heat shield at Advanced Auto Parts in the HELP section.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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sounds like the hot soleniod problem. The soleniod gets hot and won't engage the starter. Most people fix the problem by relocating the soleniod away from the engine. Kits are available for that.
The thing is, the starter does crank over, its just so slow that it isn't fast enough to turn the motor over? It does seem like something is over heating like the starter or something. So where is this Soleniod?
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by GeforceXtreme
The thing is, the starter does crank over, its just so slow that it isn't fast enough to turn the motor over? It does seem like something is over heating like the starter or something. So where is this Soleniod?
It's that smaller cylinder looking thing that is attached to the starter,it is close to the exhaust manifold.
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