i was wondering if anyone knew of any resources to find out exactly how many thirdgens were actually built like the one i have. mines a 91 and i know they built like 12xxx z28's that year but how many were built exactly like mine or yours.

my car.
91 z28 5.7l tpi, with every option except rear disc brakes.
arctic white, flame red leather interior

just curious.

 

i do not believe those such records were kept

 

As 86TA pointed out that type of specific information wasn't kept by GM.You can find out how many Z28(12,452 coupes - 350 wasn't factpry available in convertibles),then how many of those came with B2L/L98 (6,080 but some of those came in B4C RS coupes)but after that you could basically find how Camaros were code 10 artic white(18,313),how many came with code 732 flame red leather interior but you get the idea.She does sound like a very nice Z28.

 

yeah i didnt think they kept that info. they should have. i would be cool to find out though.

 

I know at one time you could contact GM and they could tell you that there were so many cars just like yours. I had the number a long time ago but I wanted too much info.

John

 

If they have records of VIN's and RPO's for those VIN's then they DO have that info! It's simply a question of putting it all into a database to compare them! Now the question is when will this get done. I'd expect another 30+ years atleast until someone decides it's worth it...

 

I think they have it on computers for Chevy at least. Pontiac is not so fortunate.

Reasonably speaking I doubt they will ever release the information except for individual instances via a search. If you crunch the numbers the information would be overwhelming, and probably fill a small book the size of the Bible if they did release the information as such. Imagine 100,000 cars, of those the combinations would be endless when you consider exterior colors, wheel choices, interior colors, engine options, power option. In theory it may be possible that there were 100,000 differently optioned cars in a given year. It would be senceless to release that there were (ambiguous number here) 1982 Red Camaros, with a 4 speed LG4, power windows, power locks. you could look forever and never find your car combination. THats why they released the info they way they did, by the individual options.

John

 

That "someone", would be YOU.... and I mean "you" as in en masse, as opposed to "you" personally.

GM is a company. Companies are a legal "person" created for exactly ONE purpose: to make money. GM makes money by selling cars (among other thigns). The more cars they make, the more money they make. They spend money to help them sell more cars. Anything that sells more cars, such that it makes more money than it costs, is fair game. Anything that DOESN'T sell more cars, or make the ones they sell more profitable, they will NOT do.

They will not sell as much as ONE SINGLE CAR more than they do now, by providing that information.

The cars they sell now will not sell for even ONE SINGLE DOLLAR more than they sell for now.

Therefore, what do you think the odds are, of them providing this costly service of sifting their database for you?

Exactly.... somewhere between Slim and None, and Slim done left town.

Meaning, if you want it, you'll have to pay for it.

Now considering how much moaning and complaining there is from people about ANYTHING that costs money (just look at all the people on here that talk a great game about upgrading their rear axles, until they find out how much 9-bolt parts cost, and then the p***ing and moaning never stops), how much would YOU be willing to pay for this service?

Answer that question; multiply it by the number of others who would ALSO pay for it; and let's see if it comes out to the fully absorbed cost of even ONE experienced and competent database programmer, with office, equipment, and so forth; PER YEAR.

Like it or not, that's the reality of the situation. B****ing about how "it seems like" "somebody" should pay for this so you can .... what? I can't imagine what you'd do .... with this info, won't get you much closer to it.

 

you know i just thought of the craziest idea. probably wont even work but thought id suggest it. and your right why would gm do something that isnt profitable. i have no problem paying for info such as what were talking about. but what if we started some kind of petition for gm to submit this info. just thought id mention if thirdgen.org thinks we could id like to be the first to sign.

 

to be honest i think it would be a horrible idea, yes it would be cool for us owners, but its going to do alot worse, #1 anyone and everyone that knows of this service is going to use it to try to get more out of their care, you know the adds, 1 of only 23 made like this or only 1 of its kind, and like all the other bullshit its just going to make the cost of everything guy up like the first gens did and the early second gens.

 

Good luck!!!

Lots and lots of people have "wished" for the same thing before, for MANY MANY years; the Corvette guys, GTO owners, all the people with REAL muscle cars, and so on. People with money to spend and willing to spend it. Now granted, alot of that data would be on paper, not electronic, in years gone by, which would make the process even MORE expensive to start up, for them; but you can see for yourself how far it's gotten.

For better or worse, there is virtually zero chance that GM will ever do it, for the simple reason that for ALL THESE YEARS, no group of car owners has EVER generated enough cash-in-hand interest to get their attention. Believe it or not, these cars aren't the first ever of GM's product that has attracted somewhat of an enthusiast following, and this is not the first time this idea has ever thought up. They apparently see it as a waste of money and resources that could be better spent on, say, dreaming up cars that the public will actually WANT to buy; instead of the Aztek and SSR and such, that are flops inthe marketplace. While the thirdgen crowd might not be the .... ummmm ..... most generous with their money .... of any of the owner groups, I'd be inclined to suspect (as illustrated by the 9-bolt example, as well as teh sheer volume of "what's the cheeeepest" and "where's the cheeeepest place to get xxx" posts) that this is far from the most spendy, as well. If people won't even come off the hip for something that will actually give them some concrete physical benefit, then they're probably no more likely to do so for something that is as functionally useless as data mining like that. I doubt even as many as 1% of the total 3rd gen owners would even pay $5 for it.

Does ANY large car mfr offer such a service? If they do, I've never heard of it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though.

But, who knows... maybe they will. Prove me wrong. Go for it.

 

Sofakingdom you make some very good points on the data subject.There are two that stand out for me are 1)Most of the information on our cars would either be on microfiche or paper making it time and resource consuming to catalog every combination and 2) the Corvette is the prime example if GM were to do it it would be the one plus there's only one model but again with a multitude of possible combos after '56.

I would be willing to pay for the information if they did offer it.I'm in the process of of getting the invoice for my '83 Z28.But if you sit down with just one model year of 3rd gen and one model(be it say a Z28 or T/A)and try and calculate all the possible interior/exterior color,trim,drivetrain,suspension and you will find it overwhelming.Granted GM did keep sales figures each year to determine what would be available,colors for example,for the next one or two model years.But after the data wasn't needed is was filed away.

 

I guess TTA owners are lucky then to know the exact breakdown.

I guess the best you can do is narrow it down to the option your car has with the least amount built, my GTA for example is one of 1,475 bright red GTA's for 1989 and based on rpo's for that year thats the most I can narrow it down.

 

Is that because of ASC though or did Pontiac care that time around?

 

Weren't TTAs basically fully equipped with possibly the sound system being one of the few choices?With a limited number of variables it's easier to track especially with a special/commemerative model.

TTA850 that's one way to narrow it down.Mine be the RPO-G92 for '83 there were only 1,009 ordered.

 

The TTA's were not built by ASC, but by PAS and Pontiac. I dont know who was keeping records but I belive the following production figures were released by Pontiac

1,324 T-top & Leather Interior
187 T-top & Cloth Interior
24 Hardtop & Leather Interior
15 Hardtop & Cloth Interior (base)
1,550 Total Production Cars Built

Also built were 5 pilot(preproduction)cars
4 with T-top & Cloth Interior
1 with Hardtop & Leather Interior

TTA's werent fully equipped though most of them were built that way, the only two options were leather and t-tops which I suppose would make it easier to track especially when a project is outsourced to another company and given a different vin(Camaros starts with 1G1, Firebirds with 1G2, and TTA's with 1G5)

 

There are a lot of Chrysler products with info like that. Useless if you ask me. Some guy will say his car is one of three black on black 383's with AC and no PS. So what. So some other guy has the exact same car, but it has PS. If you ask me... thats not a difference worth worrying about.

There's at least one more 89 GTA vert like mine, it was for sale locally back in 1991. Its not the same car I have today. Regardless of if its 1 of 1, or 2, or 500... doesnt make the car any less enjoyable to me.

 

Dang I feel stupid, I totally knew that but had a brain fart at work, lol.

Thanks for the info!

Alex

 

Don't forget there was 2 or 3 TTA's made into convertibles by ASC...

John

 

Yes but they were originally scheduled to be and built as t-top cars and are not in Pontiacs production numbers. The first convertible was built from pilot car #3(cloth/t-top). The second one was built from a production leather/t-top car with a somewhat early build number based on the vin I dont know the number but do have the vin. The third has yet to show up so ASC definatly did 2 and maybe 3. Here's a pic of the second one.

 

Well for some reason NONE! realy weird. I sent my VIN to gm records and they resent me a letter back asking for more info and pics as they so a specialy order car but don't know much more about it or how it was ordered like that.

It is a
92" Camaro Z28 with every option, Black with red stripes, grey/black two tone seats. And l98 350 tpi. I don't think it is a 1le as it has ac but I was some thing. I was the second owner and I bought it from the same dealer as the first owner and they have pics of it with the plastic still on the seats with two tone seats. Weird but i real don't thing it adds any value as they are only seat.

 

I went out and bought a really great book that i would recommend to any camaro owner its titled "the camaro white book" and based on that my car (well engine size for 91) is narrowed down to 6,080 (number of 5.7l produced that year) i know its fewer than that cause i have the group 3 option package and what not plus not all 5.7l were painted white that year so i guess i will never know truly how many z's were built like mine.

 

1 of 1,593???

So as i mentioned i went and bought this book, "the camaro white book" and the following is a list of rpo's taken from the book and my build sheet.

* - indicated rpo was included in a package

RPO/Description/QTY/Retail Price

1fp87 camaro z28 coupe, 8 cylinder 12,452 15,445.00
ag9 power seat, driver side 11,325 *
au3 power door locks 66,830 175.00
a31 power windows 65,179 *
a90 power hatch release 66,251 50.00
b2l engine, 350ci, 245hp v8 (z28 coupe only) 6,808 300.00
b34 floor mats, carpet insert, two frong 94,792 *
b35 floor mats, carpet insert, two rear 94,792 *
b84 moldings, body side 95,236 *
c49 defogger, rear window 57,202 160.00
c60 air conditioning 97,433 805.00
dc4 mirror with dual reading lamps 57,035 *
dg7 mirrors, electric twin remote 26,390 91.00
d42 cover, rear compartment cargo area 57,452 *
g92 rear axle performance (z28 coupe only) 6,813 466.00
kc4 cooler, engine oil (z28 coupe only) 7,234 110.00
k34 speed control, with resume 65,145 *
mx0 transmission, automatic with overdrive 85,321 515.00
n96 aluminum wheels, 16 inch 53,249 520.00
qlc tires, p245/50zr16 blackwall 11,651 *
ux1 radio, stereo, cassette, clock, s/s equalizer [B]1,593[B] *
yf5 emmisions equipment, required for california 14,374 100.00
fza3 z28 coupe group 3 (qty n/a) * 2228.00
10 arctic white exterior 18313

 

That would be some cool info to know.

My car is as plane jane as a V8 Bird can get.

305 TBI
5 speed
manuel everything
A/C delete

I wonder how many of those were made.

 

heres a little more info on my car

build date: aug 09, 1990
142170: production sequence
(could someone explain what that is.)

rpo's
ac3, aj3, am9, ar9, au3, a31, a90, b18, b2l, b34, b35, b84, c49, c60, dc4, dg7, d34, d42, d5x, d8i, d8i, e5z, e9z, fe2, gu5, g80, g92, ip2, j41, kc4, k34, k68, l98, md8, mx0, na5, np5, n10, n65, n96, qlc, rst, t96, ub3, un6, ux1, uq1, u79, van, vk3, v73, z28, iay, isd, 10q, 10u, 11p, 6zw, 7zw, 73i, 732, 739, 8nl, 9nl

 

The production sequence number is the number it was down the line. It will not correspond with the car's VIN unless it was the 1st one down the line. The 2nd sequentially built car could be a Firebird, but the Firebird will have VIN .....1

 

 

There is no third gen built EXACTALY like any other simply because man built them for the most part

 

I'll play too...

I have a "Dark Blue" 1983 Z28... Canadian LG4 (no CCC system)
POS 200C three speed auto with POS Open diff, rear drums
HD cooling and HD alternator
No A/C
Plastic hood
Power windows locks, cruise, and hatch. Manual mirrors and seat.
Up level velor interior (blue)
locking Storage cover
Halogen High beams
no rear wiper
AM/FM Cassette with the ESP speakers.
Drip molding but no door edge guards or body side molding



Anyone else have one?

 

I know this has got to be a one and only 83 Sport Coupe Camaro because I ordered it in 82 with 4 wheel disc (posi) 4bbl 305ci, suspension package, quiet sound group, T-tops, borg warner 5sp,all gauges, and so on. I watched the car being delivered to the dealer. Oh yes and its black with ralley wheels.

 

First off, I resent that statement real muscle cars? Fireirds are muscle cars the T/a's mostly the defintition of muscle cars to me are Rear wheel drive with a v-8 granted not all 'bird are v8s but they are MUSCLE CARS. so there!I told you has nicly has I could :0)

and my comment o the topic of this thread is....
The infomation is out there If you really care that much find it and compile it together. If you just don't lack the mentallity concentation either set on the bench or find a bored computer geek to find it all and do the hard work of piecing it all together... Personally I'd like to know myself, but till I get the car repainted and entered into a few carshows... I'm not motavted enough and when I am I'll let ya'll know

Cowboy
p.s. screw the covettes and maj. of the owners rich (or fiancally smart) snobs who don't understand what they own... won't stand up for their own cars?? their cars drive them, While we drive our cars.

 

Nice Z ur7x. RDLINE you have the perfect sleeper muscle car, but how did you order a 5-speed in 1982? I thought 83 was the first year for the 5-speed. I presume you meant 4-speed or you added the 5-speed later.

 

I ordered the Car in the last days of 82 and the car has a production date of Feb. 1983 with a 5 speed. Its got to be one of the first.
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Its a 5 speed with a production date of Feb. 1983

 

Well, my car is one of only 969 (according to TGO's tech data). Being that that doesn't separate auto vs. man or T-top vs. hard top, I think I can safely say that mine is 1 out of 700 or so.

UX1 radio, cloth interior, 1SC package, gold rims (which were the optional color...black were standard), auto & a hardtop.....maybe closer to 1 out of 3-400??
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GTA owners can get RPO production numbers here :http://www.gtasourcepage.com/92RPOFigures.html

There is lots of other good Poncho info there.